2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Mrs G Norris]

George on the stand = big trouble for the defence. He was barely able to keep up the pretence from the early days about what he thought had happened to Caylee, he had admitted to many people that he knows Casey's responsible, and he wont admit to sexual abuse that didn't happen.

This is where I think dragging out the trial has not helped the defence, now that's it's been a couple of years the truth of the situation has settled in, people grow more accepting of reality in time, and someone like George in particular who may have had many doubts a year ago may now be moving past that, and in another year this acceptance will be even stronger.

 

[logicalgirl]

George on the stand = big trouble for the defence. He was barely able to keep up the pretence from the early days about what he thought had happened to Caylee, he had admitted to many people that he knows Casey's responsible, and he wont admit to sexual abuse that didn't happen.

This is where I think dragging out the trial has not helped the defence, now that's it's been a couple of years the truth of the situation has settled in, people grow more accepting of reality in time, and someone like George in particular who may have had many doubts a year ago may now be moving past that, and in another year this acceptance will be even stronger.

I agree with you all it is going to be tough for George. I can't say I admire much of his behavior since ICA has been charged, but I just don't think he has that tough outer shell Cindy has and if he thought testifying to the Grand Jury was hard, I think he will find this ten times tougher.

LDK has that wonderful soft laser way of questioning - he will be admitting many things he should have said months ago without realizing he has until it is all over. We know JB or CM are no match for her. I know I will feel a lot of compassion for him when it's his time on the stand. This is a fragile man.

 

[tiff07]

I totally agree Mrs G Norris and sometimes I wonder if Casey is getting adequate representation.

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes, I want her convicted but I want it to happen because the evidence all points to her and the jury decides she is guilty. I dont want her found guilty because her defense has been unorganized, faulty and slipshod.

 

[tiff07]

Yes, I want her convicted but I want it to happen because the evidence all points to her and the jury decides she is guilty. I dont want her found guilty because her defense has been unorganized, faulty and slipshod.

Exactly. Caylee deserves true justice. Anything less is not good enough.

 

[ZsaZsa]

They've got CINDY bringing the chloroform home from work!

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069172.pdf
page 8
OCSO Report - "Robin Adams talked with Casey Anthony on a variety of topics. Casey Anthony told her Caylee Anthony had trouble sleeping and she had to use chloroform to put her to sleep. Casey Anthony implied her mother Cindy Anthony may have brought the chloroform home when she worked at a local clinic."

Wouldn't it have been nice if they had been able to ask Debbie Polisano about Chloroform while she was testifying.... it has been obsolete for many decades - you would not be able to find it in a hospital nowadays, never mind a Home Health Agency- all the meds they use are patient's own meds which are used in their own homes. They might stock some cleansing soap solutions to use until patients Rx becomes available, for a dressing change, but I doubt that they carry anything else.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I totally agree Mrs G Norris and sometimes I wonder if Casey is getting adequate representation.

She's not IMO. Not bad enough to get an appeal on, but bad enough that she is not doing herself or her family any favours.

Either she is getting bad advice, or she's not taking good advice.

 

[joypath]

I doubt that too...can't find any links where chloroform is still used in medicine, only as an industrial agent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform

Chloroform is STILL used in medicine however it is used in clinical LABORATORY / research /analytical medicine AKA as a reagent (an ingredient in the "mix"). What's really ironic: it's a reagent utilized in :angelNA testing!:angel: OH yeah, purchasing this stuff, HIGHLY regulated with many pages of signatures :banghead:and "yep, we KNOW HOW DANGEROUS THIS STUFF IS!", that it is kept under lock and key in a specialized cabinet!:dance:

 

[tiff07]

She's not IMO. Not bad enough to get an appeal on, but bad enough that she is not doing herself or her family any favours.

Either she is getting bad advice, or she's not taking good advice.

Thanks. I was wondering about the issue of appeal on those grounds.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Chloroform is STILL used in medicine however it is used in clinical LABORATORY / research /analytical medicine AKA as a reagent (an ingredient in the "mix"). What's really ironic: it's a reagent utilized in :angelNA testing!:angel: OH yeah, purchasing this stuff, HIGHLY regulated with many pages of signatures :banghead:and "yep, we KNOW HOW DANGEROUS THIS STUFF IS!", that it is kept under lock and key in a specialized cabinet!:dance:

Thanks for explaining that! So chances of Cindy being able to bring it home.....FLAT ZERO. Since Cindy didn't work in a lab, only worked as a day nurse...correct?

 

[joypath]

Thanks for explaining that! So chances of Cindy being able to bring it home.....FLAT ZERO. Since Cindy didn't work in a lab, only worked as a day nurse...correct?

In a word: YEP!


Now, perhaps CA or GA were good at B & E (you know, with him being X- law enforcement, and current security specialist and of course we all are aware how spectacular CA is at spelling as evidenced from her state depo when she was researching "chlorophyll" and the sickly dogs!). :truce: Yeah, I can just SEE the 2 of them with MAGS trying to read the CHCl3 on a dark amber bottle label on a shelf of a explosion- proof, fire-proof locking safety cabinet vs C55H72MgN4O5 (which wouldn't BE IN THE LAB! ANYHOW!!!!!).:banghead:

 

[LinasK]

Thanks for explaining that! So chances of Cindy being able to bring it home.....FLAT ZERO. Since Cindy didn't work in a lab, only worked as a day nurse...correct?

Cindy worked as a Home Health nurse, and a case manager. Not sure if that's what you mean by "day nurse"???

 

[faefrost]

Thanks for explaining that! So chances of Cindy being able to bring it home.....FLAT ZERO. Since Cindy didn't work in a lab, only worked as a day nurse...correct?

Correct. I don't think Chloroform has been used in any clinical or patient care environment since roughly the Korean War. (maybe rarely into the 60's or so). There would be no work that she would be doing as a patient care nurse that would put her even in the same building as Chloroform. At least not unless she was practicing in a third world nation like Cuba or North Korea.

The only ways for that family to get Chloroform would be to either order it from some shady internet dealer. Buy it on the street from one of KC's shady "friends", or make it themselves. (didn't someone look up how to get or make it?). There would be no "bringing it home from work".

 

[mitzi]

Solace, that is an interesting question. We haven't seen GA on the stand yet. We've seen that on TV interviews he chokes, or is choked by, CA. We've seen that when LE interviews him he seems... pliable, wanting to please. We can assume from the results of his grand jury testimony that he said enough, in such a manner, that KC didn't waltz out a free being. When the pressure was too much "in general" he sought out a caring spirit who would understand him and have compassion for him, and when he got overwhelmed he tried to commit something that tried to look like suicide in order to get attention/compassion... Surely the State has taken note of all this.

I want him to do the right thing but in the end, GA is an instrument. When he is being played by CA, he produces one set of (IMO very ugly) notes. When LDB and JA are the instrumentalists, I think they may very well be able to coax out of George his strongest performance yet.

Bold mine.

ITA! Look at how good LDB was at getting what she wanted out of "The Master", ie. Cindy, at the last hearing. She's got George's number too, (and he's just "Cindy's Underling") and will not hesitate to question him in a way that will get him to be somewhat truthful.

 

[ynotdivein]

Bold mine.

ITA! Look at how good LDB was at getting what she wanted out of "The Master", ie. Cindy, at the last hearing. She's got George's number too, (and he's just "Cindy's Underling") and will not hesitate to question him in a way that will get him to be somewhat truthful.

mitzi, thanks for the above. While I do not wish to further feed the defense's purported fire, oh gosh I wanna see LDB question GA. She will RULE.

(OT: Everybody take a second to wave to the interns! Hi interns! Oh wow is that JB back there? Hi JB! Oops, he and Geraldo seem to have gone belowdecks. Well that was fun wasn't it.)

:cow:

 

[tragco]

I think GA would be a fool if he allowed KC to make these allegations against him if they were not true. They could have far reaching consequences if he agrees they are true. Should Lee have children in the GA would be unable to have contact with them, I would imagine. I hope GA stands up for himself. jmo

When the defense started investigating George, I hoped George would stand up for himself, and Cindy would stand beside him and support him too..oh, say maybe even one tenth of the way she stands up for ICA.

Even after ICA lied, stole, and lived off them for years, they stood up for ICA.

Even after ICA's handwritten letters stating that Lee had molested her and inferring that she might have been molested by George, letters that also spoke ill of Cindy, Lee comes into court and says "I love you" to her. Cindy puts more money in her account although they are in such financial straits that they almost lost their home. George seems upset, but keeps silent.

They say they are a family that stands together but their actions show that is NOT TRUE. This family doesn't stand up for each other or poor Caylee if it means going against ICA in any way. Nobody in the family is allowed to have support from another member if it goes against ICA. What is this dynamic? I can't think about it for too long, it makes me sad and then angry!

 

[KeyboardCat]

I keep thinking about who is on the bus, who has already been hit by the bus.. where could the bus end up going during trial...

Cindy and maybe even Lee wouldn't mind to get targeted by Casey's defense team. They would probably welcome it, believing themselves martyrs for a noble cause.

I, personally wouldn't go there with George. That could backfire.. and he could blow up on the witness stand telling everything he knows... or suspects. I believed that even before I read that letter he wrote to Casey about the sexual abuse allegations.

This whole 'bus' concept reminds me more of public transportation buses in Tel Aviv everyday.

 

[tiff07]

When the defense started investigating George, I hoped George would stand up for himself, and Cindy would stand beside him and support him too..oh, say maybe even one tenth of the way she stands up for ICA.

Even after ICA lied, stole, and lived off them for years, they stood up for ICA.

Even after ICA's handwritten letters stating that Lee had molested her and inferring that she might have been molested by George, letters that also spoke ill of Cindy, Lee comes into court and says "I love you" to her. Cindy puts more money in her account although they are in such financial straits that they almost lost their home. George seems upset, but keeps silent.

They say they are a family that stands together but their actions show that is NOT TRUE. This family doesn't stand up for each other or poor Caylee if it means going against ICA in any way. Nobody in the family is allowed to have support from another member if it goes against ICA. What is this dynamic? I can't think about it for too long, it makes me sad and then angry!

I totally agree !! I don't know what the dynamic is either but could it be anymore destructive?

 

[ZsaZsa]

When the defense started investigating George, I hoped George would stand up for himself, and Cindy would stand beside him and support him too..oh, say maybe even one tenth of the way she stands up for ICA.

Even after ICA lied, stole, and lived off them for years, they stood up for ICA.

Even after ICA's handwritten letters stating that Lee had molested her and inferring that she might have been molested by George, letters that also spoke ill of Cindy, Lee comes into court and says "I love you" to her. Cindy puts more money in her account although they are in such financial straits that they almost lost their home. George seems upset, but keeps silent.

They say they are a family that stands together but their actions show that is NOT TRUE. This family doesn't stand up for each other or poor Caylee if it means going against ICA in any way. Nobody in the family is allowed to have support from another member if it goes against ICA. What is this dynamic? I can't think about it for too long, it makes me sad and then angry!

If it reflects badly on Cindy in anyway it is not allowed...

 

[Gma Kat]

The more I ponder this issue the more questions I have. I am not convinced KC is outright lying about the molestation. If I allow myself to believe her claims then SO MUCH of the A's behavior towards her makes sense. IF events occurred as KC claims... then the way this family has bent over backwards for KC makes sense to me. IF the molestation occurred by both GA and LA as claimed, and the family chose to keep it their "dirty-little-secret"...then KC would have felt a great sense of entitlement - taking what she wanted from this family - WHICH SHE DID. It would explain why they never really held her accountable for any of her prior bad acts. WHICH THEY DIDN'T. It would explain their bizarre @SS-kissing her - WHICH THEY DO.

I am not saying I am convinced the molestation occurred, but I certainly am not convinced it didn't. What I am trying to say poorly is IF its true, then I can find a way to make sense of a lot of this family's behavior.

I would be very interested in finding out what exactly the defense is looking for.....or are they just fishing????????? Unless they can PROVE the GA and/or LA are pedophiles....that posed a threat to Caylee, and that KC killed Caylee to protect her from the same fate.....well then I don't get the point of investigating GA at all. And why not LA too?????? Maybe I'm too dense, but I just can't figure this out. My gut reaction is that KC is going to claim she killed CAylee to protect her.....and from GA at that.