2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[The World According]

I posted this in another thread....The detectives had to drive George back home. Could there be another recording of the trip back that hasn't been released?

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It would likely include reasons one to one hundred why George thinks Baez needs to be replaced. Let's not forget that Kathi discovered mom, pop AND BRAD met with a local attorney and offered him partial media deal rights if he would sign on to replace Baez and he declined. I must find that. That one makes me laugh. The important recording is the first one where it is clearly mentioned that CASEY requested a meeting with pop, in writing. Come in Tokyo...
Of course we now know the meeting never did take place, as Baez put the kabosh on it.

 

[The World According]

Buonauro was the lawyer mom, pop and Brad talked to about replacing Baez.

 

[Steely Dan]

Team jerseys with the tacky Baez coat of arms.. yeah. I'm waiting for the 'dream team' to show up in court with it emblazoned on the breast pockets of their suits as well..
Hey, free advertising.

BBM, I wonder if the coat of arms goes back to his Neandrathol roots? (I keed, I keed)

I have always imagined Holly sitting at her desk or out on assignment, getting an email from CA with the questions she wants Holly to ask.

Heck, add NBC, CBS and ABC to that list too ...... the only media outlet CA will not talk to now is Fox News, especially Megyn. Remember when she drilled CA early on in this case, and CA hung up on her. That was a Mastercard moment.

BBM

:floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7N8pDbmaqE

"George is getting ready to do the unimaginable," Mr. Nejame said while escorting pop to the grand jury.

This is the time I do believe pop took a deep breath and told the truth for Caylee.
The defense should bear in mind pop could slant his testimony against his daughter if he feels it is him or her. One hundred times out of one hundred, faced with this choice, people chose to protect themselves.
MOO

BBM

Odd that everybody, except CA, has had the bus trying to run them down. :waitasec:

 

[RR0004]

Always timely with the reality checks, JWG. :blowkiss:


We know CM. Better yet, we're aware of what he doesn't know. We should have guessed this. :blushing:

Just another attempt to muddy the waters.
Nothing new here...but let's resurrect some old cr@p.

 

[bogeygal]

BBM, I wonder if the coat of arms goes back to his Neandrathol roots? (I keed, I keed)



BBM

:floorlaugh:



BBM

Odd that everybody, except CA, has had the bus trying to run them down. :waitasec:

Me thinks CA is behind that wheel....

"The wheels on the bus go round and round..all thru the town." Think it goes like that?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yes. Det. Melich and FBI agent Scott Bolin were in the car as well. Allen did most of the talking with George. There is nothing extraordinary in the conversation.

Just listened to the surreptitious recording of the conversation between GA and LE enroute to the jail and my impression is that LE was 'impressed' more by what GA did not say than by anything he did say. LE did note how put off GA was when he found out JB was in town. :waitasec: Clearly GA thought he would be able to meet with KC alone.

GA made small talk and is cheerful.
GA told KC that 'she's the boss."
LE says we always want what's best for our kids.
GA is SILENT.
GA compliments his son Lee.
CA had a bad day today.
GA complains about the media.
GA had a good friend call him yesterday. (end part 1)

LE says that Mr. Baez is at the jail.
GA has lashed out at him recently.
GA thought JB was in New York (therefore GA thinks he'll be seeing KC alone).
LE stresses it has to be KC's idea/what she wants and that she can decide if she'll see GA with JB or JB first and then GA or GA first and then JB. It's up to KC. KC is the boss.
GA is sorry that his wife is so tough to talk to and to get your point across to. She's strong willed.
LE responds that they understand how tough it is for her it's understandable that she wants the best for her kids.
GA is SILENT.
LE goes over again how KC can choose if she'll see GA, if she will see GA alone or with JB.
GA is SILENT.
Here there is well over a minute of SILENCE.
LE breaks the silence by asking how GA's visit with KC went this morning. GA says that his wife irritated KC early on and that he is trying to "keep my daughter happy". GA repeats that his wife is very demanding.
LE stresses how patient one needs to be with their children, that it's hard being a parent and all you can do is let them know how much you love them. LE says something about forgiveness, knowing you'll be forgiven.
GA replies that he is sure glad LE moved to a bigger building because the other one was too small.
GA says he's very curious as to why JB is here.
LE says that makes four of us in this car (implication 'who are curious')
Someone (LE) says, "really, really strange." (end part 2)

LE says JB was to go to New York. He's doing his job.
LE confirms that they will drive GA back home (or to his car) in their car.
GA wants to know if he can bring KC gum. LE doesn't think so.
GA says that Lee is strong.
They are waiting out in the car in front of the jail to know what KC wants. They all get out of the car to go to the restroom. (end part 3)
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At the end of part 2, the comments that LE make to each other play upon GA saying he is curious about why JB is at the jail. LE is not curious about that but are playing off the word 'curious' to express to each other how strange the conversation with GA has been. He's more interested in talking about the weather so-to-speak and never reacts to LE's comments regarding loving your kids above all else, wanting the best for them, etc. Instead GA is glad LE has a bigger building. :waitasec:

I think the LE's comment of 'really, really strange' was because GA's demeanor, under the circumstances, was really, really strange. :twocents:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I ran across LE's car interview with GA on another thread so I'm linking it here for anyone who's interested in listening to it. I could only find the recording on YouTube too.

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It's about 25 minutes long in total (3 parts).

 

[seeing_eye]

BBM, I wonder if the coat of arms goes back to his Neandrathol roots? (I keed, I keed)



BBM

:floorlaugh:



BBM

Odd that everybody, except CA, has had the bus trying to run them down. :waitasec:

Which reminds me, the only "credible" evidence we've seen showing who was last with Caylee happens to point only to Cindy. As for the inference that Caylee was last seen with Casey, we have only the words of Anthony family members.

 

[Leila]

What the news reporters should have done with this is junior high school journalism, fact check, listen to the recording and post that in their story.
I have never seen such lazy , complacent journalism in my life. Don't these folks have editors or fact checkers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgs4GIgExXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-g-PzS5P4
unrelated video, watch George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xJi0Lu_fc
Now here is a recording with some substance and the lies that led to her arrest that night. Does anyone know if George and Cindy overheard Casey's answers to the detectives? Her details are amusing and a red flag from jump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg

Thanks! It's been a while since I've watched that video of the jail house visit in August, where George is telling Casey she's the boss. I've watched it a number of times in the past, and have always been focused on Casey's tantrum. As I watched it this time, I saw something a bit different - a different perspective than I've had before. I think George was trying very hard to manipulate Casey into over riding JB and demanding to see her father alone. At which point, I think George would have tried to convince Casey to fire JB and get a decent defense attorney.

 

[Leila]

BBM, I wonder if the coat of arms goes back to his Neandrathol roots? (I keed, I keed)



BBM

:floorlaugh:



BBM

Odd that everybody, except CA, has had the bus trying to run them down. :waitasec:

I think her time is coming. I've always thought that when push comes to shove, Casey could easily claim that on the evening of June 15, 2008 she and her mother had a terrible fight and her mother got physical and hit her. She would state that she became frightened and left the house, leaving Caylee behind............and that's the last time she ever saw her daughter.

 

[OneLostGrl]

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unrelated video, watch George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xJi0Lu_fc

IMO watch Cindy.. I have commented on this video in the past because Cindy shows at least once exactly how she attempts to control her "family". At 3:57 when Cindy asks who Casey's decided to see- Casey says her father, Cindy decides "well then here, talk to your dad" (she didn't say she wanted to talk to her dad NOW).. Cindy gives up the phone, wipes her eyes (poor me) and immediately goes into a child-like pouting position. (How dare you chose HIM over ME!) Then she's clearly telling George what to say (who's talking to her, you or him?! if you wanted to control the conversation you shoulda kept the phone!) and when he happens to upset Casey, Cindy grabs the phone away to sooth her "sweetheart". The end of part 1 and start of part 2 She does her sweet words routine but obviously hears NOTHING Casey said in her little speech cuz she goes right back to asking the questions Casey just told her she cannot answer! Then of course that frushtrates Casey and mamma goes to give the phone back to George. (who deals with this chick?! He makes her mad, she takes the phone, she makes her mad, she wants to give him the phone).

 

[Just Jayla]

IMO watch Cindy.. I have commented on this video in the past because Cindy shows at least once exactly how she attempts to control her "family". At 3:57 when Cindy asks who Casey's decided to see- Casey says her father, Cindy decides "well then here, talk to your dad" (she didn't say she wanted to talk to her dad NOW).. Cindy gives up the phone, wipes her eyes (poor me) and immediately goes into a child-like pouting position. (How dare you chose HIM over ME!) Then she's clearly telling George what to say (who's talking to her, you or him?! if you wanted to control the conversation you shoulda kept the phone!) and when he happens to upset Casey, Cindy grabs the phone away to sooth her "sweetheart". The end of part 1 and start of part 2 She does her sweet words routine but obviously hears NOTHING Casey said in her little speech cuz she goes right back to asking the questions Casey just told her she cannot answer! Then of course that frushtrates Casey and mamma goes to give the phone back to George. (who deals with this chick?! He makes her mad, she takes the phone, she makes her mad, she wants to give him the phone).

This exchange has always maddened me, because CA is behaving like such a child-First and foremost, if she had something to say to KC, eg., where the hell is Caylee, she should have said it and been done with it-No more kid glove treatment.
When KC threw a fit about it, CA should have walked away-Notice that when CA ticks KC off, KC tends to start running her mouth (Maya noted KC talking to herself about CA) and using her letters to vent-My feeling is that if CA had done a 180 on KC, KC would have exploded with verbal/written diarrhea in some way, shape or form, maybe getting to the point of slipping up in her letters or conversations with other inmates.
The body language is juvenile, too-As soon as KC and GA begin their own engagement in conversation, CA cuddles up to GA as if to say "he is mine, I control him and all situations, and don't you forget it." That created a barrier that GA was not going to be able to get past if he had any chance of squeezing anything out of KC.

 

[kaRN]

If this doctor does exist, would he/she be exempt from reporting this abuse because Casey was 18 (and not a child)? Does anyone know? Seems like incest, no matter the age of the victim, should always be reported, doesn't it?

Mandatory reporting only kicks in if the report was being made by a person under the age of 18. Adults will be encouraged and supported in reporting incest but it won't be reported for them unless the abuser remains in the same home and there are minors present.

 

[Butterflylady]

This exchange has always maddened me, because CA is behaving like such a child-First and foremost, if she had something to say to KC, eg., where the hell is Caylee, she should have said it and been done with it-No more kid glove treatment.

I have long wondered, ever since listening to the first phone calls Cindy made to police, she was getting angrier with Casey. In one she says something to the effect that if that's how Casey wants to play then she'll play that way, one way or the other she's going to find Caylee.

I wondered where that went while watching the jail visits. Either because there's a camera on her or she's already figured out what happened and she's just trying to make things look differently to the public that she knows will watch their visit later...or both. What happened to that angry grandma wanting to be taken to her granddaughter?! To me it seems she's trying to get Casey to play the lie game with her. As in "let's work together here for the camera and make this look differently than it appears to everyone." Casey didn't want to talk about it at all or play the game and that to me is really odd. She had an opportunity to lie some more and stretch, but she just quit or she didn't like the way Cindy was trying to lead the lying. Oh it makes my head hurt when I ponder it sometimes. :headache:

 

[RR0004]

Funny, I saw Cindy as trying to find some truth in anything her daughter said.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Funny, I saw Cindy as trying to find some truth in anything her daughter said.

It's so hard to tell. I watched the jailhouse visit tape again tonight and it does seem like Cindy is more distressed than either GA or KC. KC is distressed only because she is being questioned and her hands are tied because she's behind bars - right :croc:! We now know that KC's hands were tied when she was out from behind bars too. But we also know that CA has not cooperated in finding/revealing the truth either.

I'm still not convinced that one of them/both of them have not known the truth, whatever it is, from day one. Possibly one of them found out the truth a little later. I keep changing my mind regarding which parent has known what and for how long. :waitasec:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Whatever the truth is, the more I watch the tapes of GA again, he is not demonstrating the normal range of emotions that would apply when coping with this tragedy in one's family imo. He's way too cordial under the circumstances. He's fakey or something. He doesn't project sadness or grief; sometimes stress and anger but I don't detect true grief from his outward persona.

 

[Just Jayla]

Whatever the truth is, the more I watch the tapes of GA again, he is not demonstrating the normal range of emotions that would apply when coping with this tragedy in one's family imo. He's way too cordial under the circumstances. He's fakey or something. He doesn't project sadness or grief; sometimes stress and anger but I don't detect true grief from his outward persona.

This is the one emotion in the grieving process that is most often hidden, because we culturally are taught from an early age not to express anger.
I think GA is angry and has no way to act it out properly, especially with cameras on him. Like many in the process of grief, he knows how to maintain some sense of self-control and push the anger down for self-preservation if nothing else.
The anger comes out in spurts later, when KC is home, as TraceyM told us about.
So, as you wrote above, he is faking, or sort of flatlining his emotions. I don't think he is void of them, I think he is hiding them-To what end is a different question-To protect KC or his own sanity, or CA-dunno.
He hid them with police, too-He came to the brink of anger when he really started thinking about what he knew to be true, but then used his reflexive technique-Jibber-jabbering-to make the feeling stop.

 

[Steely Dan]

It's so hard to tell. I watched the jailhouse visit tape again tonight and it does seem like Cindy is more distressed than either GA or KC. KC is distressed only because she is being questioned and her hands are tied because she's behind bars - right :croc:! We now know that KC's hands were tied when she was out from behind bars too. But we also know that CA has not cooperated in finding/revealing the truth either.

I'm still not convinced that one of them/both of them have not known the truth, whatever it is, from day one. Possibly one of them found out the truth a little later. I keep changing my mind regarding which parent has known what and for how long. :waitasec:

I think CA's excited utterance shows she had only just found out. JMO

 

[LambChop]

I think since GA threw or pushed his father through the plate glass window in anger when they lived in Ohio he has had to control his temper to insure a similiar incident would not happen again. I could see GA losing it with KC if he had access to her physically. Through the years he has learned to control his anger level because CA would not permit anything less I might imagine. jmo