2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Woe.be.gone]

Woe, (I bolded your statement above)...I understand completely. I, too, was very surprised that the answer did not point to GA or LA. I have written about it many times, there was incest in my family (not me) and the dynamics of the Anthonys is/was very similar to my experience in my family (lying "about nothing" tops the list). When you grow up where there is a "big secret" there are all manner of smoke and mirrors that makes it so no one will divulge it. Eventually the family just lies as a matter of course. The end result is a family like the Anthonys who have the audacity to lie with straight faces as if what they are saying is absolutely true. There are answers for why the A's are all the way they are. The incest angle would have explained most everything, and especially KC's inability to authentically care about Caylee. Some Mothers, like mine, are able to operate as pretty good Mothers even though they have been violated by someone close during their formative years. Others, no. Incest would have put the Anthony's abberant behavior into a neat package for us. I still think they are hiding something major.

I have read some of your posts before and reading them made me feel as if I wasn't completely off my rocker. There must be a reason that people become borderline, callous and completely selfish - or maybe not. :waitasec: Like I've said before, I want there to be a reason. :banghead:

Now the defense has asked for more money to send someone to Ohio again. GA's sister married a man in the dealership business named C. Eddy and they have two children, a boy and a girl. Aunt K has sent KC several letters that were released in discovery. My next theory is that maybe KC's cousin on GA's side knocked KC up over Thanksgiving 2004. That would still be something to hide according to the 'perfect' family. But considering that the family owns dealerships, you'd think the A's would have expected/demanded financial support from them if this is the case. I can't get KC's comment to GA out of my head of 'I didn't say anything'. You don't just say that if there isn't 'anything' to say. Right?

 

[logicalgirl]

I know I'm in the tiny minority here, but I still think the "don't worry I didn't say anything" was a comment made to her parents to reassure them she hadn't spilled her guts to the LE, because her parents were convinced they would try to trick her into a confession. They wanted her to lawyer up and shut up.

 

[Frigga]

I wanted to add one thought to this discussion- just because Caylee wasn't an offspring due to incest (proven through the DNA) does NOT mean there wasn't incest necessarily- IOW, just because Casey's pregnancy was not a result of incest does not prove or disprove that there was no incest- IMO.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I have read some of your posts before and reading them made me feel as if I wasn't completely off my rocker. There must be a reason that people become borderline, callous and completely selfish - or maybe not. :waitasec: Like I've said before, I want there to be a reason. :banghead:

Now the defense has asked for more money to send someone to Ohio again. GA's sister married a man in the dealership business named C. Eddy and they have two children, a boy and a girl. Aunt K has sent KC several letters that were released in discovery. My next theory is that maybe KC's cousin on GA's side knocked KC up over Thanksgiving 2004. That would still be something to hide according to the 'perfect' family. But considering that the family owns dealerships, you'd think the A's would have expected/demanded financial support from them if this is the case. I can't get KC's comment to GA out of my head of 'I didn't say anything'. You don't just say that if there isn't 'anything' to say. Right?

Just curious...but what information led you to speculate that KC may have been involved with a cousin? Most theories are usually based on some information and I haven't seen any reference to KC even having contact with a cousin? :waitasec:

 

[Steely Dan]

George / Lee you are not the father.

Thank you, these theories have been debunked in the Mythbusters thread. GA and LA WERE NOT Caylees father. The DNA proved it.

It sure would explain a lot about the behavior of this family if one of them was the father though. Could an uncle or a cousin be the father? Caylee was conceived around the holidays when peeps usually see their relatives. I'd bet a good amount of money that the A's are hiding something.

They're hiding something or just KC is hiding something.

Yes, the DNA results clearly show that neither Lee nor George could have been Caylee's father. What the DNA results do not show us, is who Cindy may have "thought" was Caylee's father.

I'd imagine we'd know by now if she did know and wasn't mortally embarrassed by the whole thing.

I don't post here often but I try to read as much as possible. All of your work is very much appreciated. I feel the same way you do. I don't think we'll ever understand what they do or how they think. First and foremost we can't imagine not demanding that the person who killed our granddaughter be made to pay for this crime. They claim their precious princess isn't guilty yet they have not so much as even expressed a tiny bit of anger towards whoever they think did murder that baby. Cindy's, " I...I...I... still think she's alive", comment was beyond weak. If it wasn't for the subject matter is would be right out of a skit from Saturday night live. Too bad she is so narcissistic that she doesn't even realize how ridiculous she looks every single time she opens her mouth. I've yet to hear one intelligent comment come out of the one who Lee claims has a mind like a steel trap.
Bwaaaa ha ha ha, mind like a steel trap. that's a hoot!

:clap:

 

[logicalgirl]

Originally Posted by Woe.be.gone
"It sure would explain a lot about the behavior of this family if one of them was the father though. Could an uncle or a cousin be the father? Caylee was conceived around the holidays when peeps usually see their relatives. I'd bet a good amount of money that the A's are hiding something."

I guess it could be a visiting relative, but it is also a time when young people party hardy and have far too much to drink to celebrate Christmas. And we've seen photos of ICA gets up to when she drinks too much at a party with her "friends". Maybe all they are hiding is that their beloved daughter got too blasted to remember who she partied with one night, and really doesn't know who the father of her child is. Pretty hard for someone like Cindy to admit.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf

GA's work schedule shows he worked Monday, June 16.
He did not work Monday, June 9.
The company he worked for ends their pay periods on Friday
(in case anybody saw the post I deleted I counted back the dates wrong).

His schedule for the week ending June 20, 2008 is on pdf. pg. 202/written pg. 23176 at the link above.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Some things I found odd about George's job application with Security Forces..... http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59187345/Discovery-Pt-2-11022010 beginning at page 173.

He listed living at the the Hopespring address from 8/1/89 through 1/1/2008. This application was created on 1/16/2008 as it was a Web application. Why would he list an end date to his residency at Hopespring????


He listed his most recent position as one with "Fox Pretective Services"....spelling error his. He listed his last date of employment with them as January 15, 2008.

Listed employment with The Presentation Group (the same company Jose tried to use to copy TES records) from 2/1/07-10/1/07.....hmmmmmmmm
Gave as reason for leaving company slow down and personal family situation. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Supervisor was listed as Jeff Peterson and the number was listed as (407) 859-5990. When you google that phone number it brings up a listing for Orlando Rock and Sealing

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZnM6OoymLtcJ:www.manta.com/c/mmgdkj5/orlando-rock-sealing+(407)+859-5990&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In another part of the application the number is listed as (407) 869-5990 which is a Fazoli's Rest. http://www.superpages.com/bp/Altamonte-Springs-FL/Fazolis-L0099233386.htm

And in an app to Andrews he listed 407-859-3099 with Brent as contact...which does correlate to the real number for the company.

Really weird.

 

[Numbers]

Some things I found odd about George's job application with Security Forces..... http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59187345/Discovery-Pt-2-11022010 beginning at page 173.

He listed living at the the Hopespring address from 8/1/89 through 1/1/2008. This application was created on 1/16/2008 as it was a Web application. Why would he list an end date to his residency at Hopespring????


He listed his most recent position as one with "Fox Pretective Services"....spelling error his. He listed his last date of employment with them as January 15, 2008.

Listed employment with The Presentation Group (the same company Jose tried to use to copy TES records) from 2/1/07-10/1/07.....hmmmmmmmm
Gave as reason for leaving company slow down and personal family situation. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Supervisor was listed as Jeff Peterson and the number was listed as (407) 859-5990. When you google that phone number it brings up a listing for Orlando Rock and Sealing

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZnM6OoymLtcJ:www.manta.com/c/mmgdkj5/orlando-rock-sealing+(407)+859-5990&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So George lies, and he isn't very good at it. Are you really surprised?

 

[sleutherontheside]

Additionally.....the narrative on page 159 is written in "third person"... Dated 6/17/08.

"providing experience in a team environment sets George apart from others". Do you refer to yourself in the third person on a job application????? I never have.

 

[txsvicki]

George also spoke about himself in the third person a few times during a police interview, I believe the one where he tooted his own horn about how another company wanted to hire him and he kept changing the subject and avoided answering questions about Casey snapping or accidentally hurting Caylee. Lying about education is one sign of narcissism. Not saying he has the problem, but he shows quite a few signs.

 

[sleutherontheside]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59187345/Discovery-Pt-2-11022010

Page 167

9/30/2008 GA sends an email to supervisors that he will not be able to come in at his scheduled shift time due to a very serious legal issue. This is a Tuesday. Keep in mind that L Padilla revoked bond over that weekend prior.

On Wednesday, October 1st...LE met with Joy Wray... about her alleged find of "numerous items" near a landfill sveral weeks prior. She submitted a "baby blanket" to them stating she forgot to turn them in before that time. The time on her statement as 11:18. pg 110

Isn't the timing uncanny?????

 

[LancelotLink]

George filled out a job app for Andrews on June 17, 2008. On the application, the question "Are you presently employed?" is answered NO.
Page 144. This was not a box he could check YES or NO. He wrote -NO-.
But he was employed at Security Forces.

 

[Numbers]

George filled out a job app for Andrews on June 17, 2008. On the application, the question "Are you presently employed?" is answered NO.
Page 144. This was not a box he could check YES or NO. He wrote -NO-.
But he was employed at Security Forces.

Maybe he was tired of wearing the dorky hat.

http://www.security-forces.com/Home.aspx

 

[Gma Kat]

Well KC is one apple that didn't fall far from the tree.......

 

[Omachka]

Maybe he was tired of wearing the dorky hat.

http://www.security-forces.com/Home.aspx

There is a promotional video at that link... if you watch all the way to the end, it is telling companies that their officers are fitted with GPS so that they can monitor their tours at all times. That is probably what GA didn't like. Too hard to sneak out and do his own thing. :angel:

 

[LancelotLink]

I wonder which job he had that asked him to leave. page 184

 

[Shalya]

We want there to be a "big secret" so that the A's behavior makes sense to us. But what we really have to remember is that it just has to be big, bad news to the A's. They could barely acknowledge Casey in the "Hot Body Contest" photos. Whatever it is, I would suggest that most of us would say "Yeah, it sucks and I wish everyone didn't know, but I'm not that person" or "I don't do that anymore", or even "Yikes, but compared to what's happening with the death of my granddaughter and my daughter being in jail ready to be prosecuted for the crime, things could be worse". To the A's, these things would be heart-wrenching, special-grief moments. For the rest of us, we cope.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:truce:

Just curious...but what information led you to speculate that KC may have been involved with a cousin? Most theories are usually based on some information and I haven't seen any reference to KC even having contact with a cousin? :waitasec:

You're right. I have no basis for my statement. KC has a few (I don't know how many) cousins close to her own age. Relatives usually get together around the holidays. KC got pregnant close to Thanksgiving 2004. My speculation is just that, speculation.

Why? Because there seems to be a continual power struggle between the family members. I haven't been able to shake this nagging feeling that GA and CA take more responsibility for Caylee's birth as it was KC who got pregnant. This is hard to explain. My thinking has been that if the pregnancy involved another family member that it would explain why the other family members also feel additional responsibility and are secretive. That, coupled with the mystery surrounding the identity of the bio, would help me understand the psychology surrounding the situation.

From another angle, if another family member contributed to KC becoming a mother at a young age, yet she was the one who felt 'burdened' by having to continually care for Caylee, especially as time went on, yet the whole family let the bio dad 'go' so-to-speak that might cause resentment in KC.

It is difficult for me to believe that GA and CA did not dig deep to uncover the identity of the bio dad. You mean to tell me that CA who tries to control OSCO would just let that go? That and the fact that they answered the question of who the bio is differently each time they were asked indicates they were lying. I don't think they'd lie to keep their deal with a stranger or to protect someone elses marriage unless it would reflect badly on them if the truth were known.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Additionally.....the narrative on page 159 is written in "third person"... Dated 6/17/08.

"providing experience in a team environment sets George apart from others". Do you refer to yourself in the third person on a job application????? I never have.

When I read GA's brief narrative in the discovery docs, I couldn't stop laughing. I must have been in a mood. The task for the applicant was to demonstrate their ability to write and I wondered why GA passed the test.

Making fun of people is not something I enjoy doing because we all have our issues and limitations but GA is a character and I can't figure out if he is really as dumb as he seems or it he just acts that way to throw people off. :waitasec: Not dumb exactly - naive or clueless may be better words to describe GA. 'GA knows a lot of things.'

Woe says goodbye! Ha.