2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

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I'm gonna go dive for that thread because I thought Hoover admitted doing the taping on his own....that DC did not know about it. :waitasec:

I know that came up during Hoover's depo...


I think it more likely that it was Hoover who was planning on selling that video. Ugh...too many vultures to sleuth. ugh ugh ugh

You are not wrong, BUT Hoover says taht it was clear that he was taping. Hoover tried to capture the Anthonys being fingerprinted.

DC knew about that taping of the search by him. Hoover says he knew and he was standing right next to him while he was taping, which from the tape is fairly clear when he gets close.
 
Goodness knows I hate to do this yet again but I believe we all may need to go back and re-read the thread(s) where we discussed ad nauseam the other emails between DC/CA and GL and the rest of the clan.

Maybe a merge should be done as well. I don't know, this whole episode time frame gives me the willys ....... I really wish the SAO had released all the DC/CA/GL and A clan emails together at one time. It would have made it easier to remember who said what to whom and when.

ETA:

This is the first thread, closed but good reading, discussing GL and DC. Part 2 thread seems to be gone.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78025&page=17&highlight=emails

NG thread where Nancy is interviewing GL:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3166426&highlight=ginnette+lucas#post3166426

Sorry, another ETA: does anyone know which doc dump the emails were in ..... my brain is getting old and mis-firing this afternoon. ETA again. AZLawyer just bumped the thread I was looking for ..... Thanks AZ, much appreciated.
 
You make a very, very good point! I just checked and that video was filmed on 11/20/08!
There was a lot of other stuff happening at the same time IIRC (mall sighting, Mark Nejame quit-this stuff was reported in the news on the 21st). Cindy was on heavy meds IMO.
 
What are the dates of Dominic's search in the woods compared to this tape?
(snipped for brevity)

PS: Logical girl : Whenever I write I say, IMO and then I carry on. It is just my take on it unless I am quoting someone directly. Regarding Cindy believing Caylee is still alive, I don't believe that , I think that is made for public consumption. That too is just my feeling on the matter. I value our discussions because the jury surely will need to do so. God bless them,in advance.

Thank you TWA, I appreciate your on thread comment to me. However, I am puzzled why you disregard the very obvious two connections Cindy makes. What Cindy wants, or so it appears to me, is Caylee back.
And Cindy very clearly connects two points, ICA is innocent because Caylee is alive. Caylee is alive because ICA is innocent. Two connections to us - but ONE and ONE only thought to Cindy from everything I read. She appears unable to separate the two. It's like one+one = equals two - she doesn't appear capable of looking at any other option. Cindy was capable of believing ONLY both of those points merged as one - she couldn't accept Caylee was dead so of course that made ICA innocent.

I believe that's why Nejames quit. He knew he wouldn't be able to break that one thought driving Cindy. Caylee was alive - and to support Cindy and George, Nejames knew that meant supporting ICA's innocence. Nejames couldn't stomach supporting ICA - he says so in his statement and video.

But in response to your comment, I appreciate this is your belief. I'd like to see the reason's for Cindy's behavior openly discussed as docs come in - rather than the continual closed and blanket sweeping statements that come up in every thread re Cindy as THE master manipulator. There is no evidence to support that it was all Cindy's doing. Some of it certainly was, but not everything. It seems to have gotten to be some kind of affirmation or mantra or something. IMO - I don't see it as helpful to sleuthing, but just the opposite, a kind of shut down of discussions.
 
I've been convinced for a long time that DC actually did find the body, and got quite freaked about it. What first convinced me was seeing the video of DC lifting the pink blanket, and realizing how very close that blanket was to the body. I believe his mission was to move it, but either he just couldn't bring himself to do it or he realized what a futile task that would be given how spread out the remains were. This also explains why KC's reported reaction to the body being found in December was ANGER. She probably thought the problem had already been taken care of, that the body had been moved and disposed of. Can you then imagine her reaction when she found out it had been found by Kronk?

I gotta say. I disagree - I don't think this sleazy detective and that is what he is would ever put himself in harm's way and move the evidence. He might look for it, but he did not even look that thoroughly if you watch the video. He hesitates constantly on the tape. Or certainly does not act like he knows what he is doing.

I can't see him taking a chance like that when he knows the world is watching this little girl's case. He is not going to put himself out like that. What is in it for him? Nothing except maybe some notariety if he finds the remains later, but nothing that could weigh the cost of tampering with evidence OR being implicated himself.
 
I do know that Baez stiffed him out of pay, per Hoover's interview. Obviously, these are three men who are in it for the "money" and "fame". DC wanted Hoover to film, but tried to appear secretive even to Hoover, but keep filming. Baez is the sleaze that has to reach up to touch bottom. And Hoover did try to photograph the Anthonys being fingerprinted and admitted wanted to maybe sell the pictures down the line.

So we have three men who lack character and some more than others - Baez is at the top I think, then DC and then Hoover.

I just can't see DC agreeingn to look for the body and if he finds it, hides it. He is not that stupid. IMO
I think you hit the nail on the head. None of these folks are to be trusted. Their motives are not pure...including DC's.
 
Forgive me if this has already been pointed out. Did you see the position of two pushpins on the map encluded with DCasey's emails? I'm uncertain if it was sent by DCasey, or received by him though.
No...on the pic? There were marks? Can you elaborate?
 
Dom was in the woods looking for paver's and black plastic garbage bags. Sorry but that was in no way a "psychic tip". someone in there had direct knowledge of exactly what had happened to that child and where they were placed.

And I agree if he had actually found anything he would have run and sold it to the enquirer or similar, regardless of what his instructions were from CA or JB. Why do you think he had the video camera there? he planned on selling the video of the find.

Not so sure that he would have done that right away. I got the impression from some of his emails with Ginny that the plan was to get a pay-off down the road (after all, he did go to NY with the A's and Brad in search of a book deal). And I do believe he found the body, but probably not when Hoover was with him and filming his actions. IIRC DC admitted that he went back a few times over the next few days. I think this is when he actually found the body, since Hoover's interviews do not indicate that he was present when a body was located.

Also, does it seem just a little suspicious to anyone else that Ginny suddenly, just yesterday, makes a claim that she has to know is BIG NEWS -- suggesting that DC actually did find the body? She may have done this to try to give herself more credibility in being able to remotely pinpoint the location. But might it also be a preemptive comment because she already knows what will come out when DC's investigative interview is released?
 
Thank you TWA, I appreciate your on thread comment to me. However, I am puzzled why you disregard the very obvious two connections Cindy makes. What Cindy wants, or so it appears to me, is Caylee back.
And Cindy very clearly connects two points, ICA is innocent because Caylee is alive. Caylee is alive because ICA is innocent. Two connections to us - but ONE and ONE only thought to Cindy from everything I read. She appears unable to separate the two. It's like one+one = equals two - she doesn't appear capable of looking at any other option.

I believe that's why Nejames quit. He knew he wouldn't be able to break that one thought driving Cindy. Caylee was alive - and to support Cindy and George, Nejames knew that meant supporting ICA's innocence. Nejames couldn't stomach supporting ICA - he says so in his statement and video.

But in response to your comment, I appreciate this is your belief. I'd like to see the reason's for Cindy's behavior openly discussed as docs come in - rather than the continual closed and blanket sweeping statements that come up in every thread re Cindy. It seems to have gotten to be some kind of affirmation or mantra or something. IMO - I don't see it as helpful to sleuthing, but just the opposite, a kind of shut down of discussions.


Cindy, imo, has been aware of KC's behaviour for the past two years prior to the murder of Caylee, but chose to ignore it. There were red flags all over the place - there was stealing, forgery, credit card theft, FELONIES, not misdemeanors, that Cindy could have used to get sole custody of Caylee. She did not do it and never thought that KC would kill the baby. And when she realized she did, you can hear it at the end of the 911 call, she completely falls apart. One of the worst I have ever heard and the saddest.

Okay, so she knows at that point. She is devastated and has said "my world fell apart". Now she pulls herself somewhat together and decides no I am going to believe KC, the other alternative does not work for me - or I am the one responsible - I don't think I can go there.

Time wears on and she is breaking down with the likes of Sean Kraus and agreeing that KC is involved and the tape above where she looks like a zombi and she knows. that is it.

She can either live with this and I don't know how you do because if you had done something, Caylee would be alive and she may have suffered incredibly and Cindy did nothing and let this happen, knowing the child was with a sociopath 24 hours a day - pretty hard to live with.

I believe she knows but has decided to save KC and save herself basically. Just my opinion.

She does not care about George at all - he is disposable.
 
That was actually the same time Mark Nejame quit. What was the reason he gave? He couldn't play a part in defending Casey? I believe Brad came in around the time Caylee was found. Not to say that Brad doesn't know though.

That was an interesting few weeks, IMO. Below is not in any certain order.

The silent interview where Cindy IMO, looks like she's been told someone died
Caylee was alive and seen at the mall presser
Nejame quits
The meet and greet while DC is at the woods
Cindy sends an email that also got sent to Kathi Belich and Sean K (both handed theirs over to LE)
Cindy claims someone else hacked into her computer and sent that email out.
Sorry...Suzie...I see you beat me to it!

You're so good!

oxoxoxo
 
Not so sure that he would have done that right away. I got the impression from some of his emails with Ginny that the plan was to get a pay-off down the road (after all, he did go to NY with the A's and Brad in search of a book deal). And I do believe he found the body, but probably not when Hoover was with him and filming his actions. IIRC DC admitted that he went back a few times over the next few days. I think this is when he actually found the body, since Hoover's interviews do not indicate that he was present when a body was located.

Also, does it seem just a little suspicious to anyone else that Ginny suddenly, just yesterday, makes a claim that she has to know is BIG NEWS -- suggesting that DC actually did find the body? She may have done this to try to give herself more credibility in being able to remotely pinpoint the location. But might it also be a preemptive comment because she already knows what will come out when DC's investigative interview is released?

Steadtchick,

What is this about Ginny? I am sorry I have not followed. Thanks much.
 
Lance,

Do you really think that DC was "supposed to find her and hide her".

Most assuredly.
I also believe that GA and CA and La had the info of who, what, when , WHERE and why. Using that premise, every silly thing they have said and done falls into place.
 
Mark NeJame had represented George and Cindy Anthony since Sept. 4.

"I won't comment about what they did or didn't do. All I will say is that I need to be in control of my clients. I need to be in control of my cases," NeJame said.

NeJame released a statement about his decision:

"Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony.

"George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these "sightings" will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope?

"Who is one person to tell another parent or grandparent when it is time for them to abandon their faith? When does a stranger have the right to judge another who has endured such a loss? The attacks made against them by some are deplorable.

"Let them be to do what they feel they must to find their beloved granddaughter, Caylee. Knowing this case as well as probably anyone on earth, there is no doubt that they do not know where Caylee is. Allow them to walk their own path.

"I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not. It impressed me that George and Cindy, both believing that Caylee was still with us, had an overriding and primary concern in finding Caylee, even if the result was not as they would hope. The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense.

"Abundant efforts have been made towards finding Caylee. I have worked with so many involved in this matter towards the goal of finding this dear, missing child who has captured the hearts of so many. Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from Equusearch, tells me 'everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.' However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you're doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are.

"I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.

"I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client's prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

"As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation.
"There should only be one goal and that is to find Caylee Marie Anthony."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18025611/detail.html
What's interesting is that it doesn't seem that DC had any email contact with Mark Nejame (not that we've seen anyway). I wonder if MN had another PI working with him. He'd for sure have shut down this nonsense with DC. So, if he was aware what was going on...and why wouldn't he if he was the As attorney and committed to find Caylee as well...then he knew that the As choose to follow DC's crazy stories...and as a result refused to be a part of it (?).
 
Not so sure that he would have done that right away. I got the impression from some of his emails with Ginny that the plan was to get a pay-off down the road (after all, he did go to NY with the A's and Brad in search of a book deal). And I do believe he found the body, but probably not when Hoover was with him and filming his actions. IIRC DC admitted that he went back a few times over the next few days. I think this is when he actually found the body, since Hoover's interviews do not indicate that he was present when a body was located.

Also, does it seem just a little suspicious to anyone else that Ginny suddenly, just yesterday, makes a claim that she has to know is BIG NEWS -- suggesting that DC actually did find the body? She may have done this to try to give herself more credibility in being able to remotely pinpoint the location. But might it also be a preemptive comment because she already knows what will come out when DC's investigative interview is released?
Could be...but she seemed to play such a small role in all the emails...not nearly as involved as Luke. Curious...can you show me where he states that he went to the woods after the "Meet and Greet"? I always thought it was earlier (like the 8th and the 9th).
 
Steadtchick,

What is this about Ginny? I am sorry I have not followed. Thanks much.

See the Steph Watts thread. Ginette Lucas gave an exclusive interview on his blogspot radio show last night. Our own Richard Hornsby was on there questioning her. Worth a listen, imo.
 
Cindy, imo, has been aware of KC's behaviour for the past two years prior to the murder of Caylee, but chose to ignore it. There were red flags all over the place - there was stealing, forgery, credit card theft, FELONIES, not misdemeanors, that Cindy could have used to get sole custody of Caylee. She did not do it and never thought that KC would kill the baby. And when she realized she did, you can hear it at the end of the 911 call, she completely falls apart. One of the worst I have ever heard and the saddest.

Okay, so she knows at that point. She is devastated and has said "my world fell apart". Now she pulls herself somewhat together and decides no I am going to believe KC, the other alternative does not work for me - or I am the one responsible - I don't think I can go there.

Time wears on and she is breaking down with the likes of Sean Kraus and agreeing that KC is involved and the tape above where she looks like a zombi and she knows. that is it.

She can either live with this and I don't know how you do because if you had done something, Caylee would be alive and she may have suffered incredibly and Cindy did nothing and let this happen, knowing the child was with a sociopath 24 hours a day - pretty hard to live with.

I believe she knows but has decided to save KC and save herself basically. Just my opinion.

She does not care about George at all - he is disposable.

Very well stated and I agree, both she and George knew during her 'silent interview'.
 
It is the map with the Nov 15 email. Those push pins are very hard to see, but they are there.
LOL...I was hoping I'd get a screen shot...I know the map you're referring to. Everytime I go to the emails, my computer freezes somewhere while scrolling through them. So what did they designate? Do you remember the date it was sent? If it was after the TES search, could it have been a map they were working from? I can't explain the push pins.
 
LOL...I was hoping I'd get a screen shot...I know the map you're referring to. Everytime I go to the emails, my computer freezes somewhere while scrolling through them. So what did they designate? Do you remember the date it was sent? If it was after the TES search, could it have been a map they were working from? I can't explain the push pins.

Pages 812 & 813 (21333 & 21334) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527395/detail.html

(sorry, I don't know how to do a screenshot and put it here) Date on the email was Nov 15
 
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