2010.08.06 - Tommy gets 15 years!

[Maia]

If the sentence had to do with 'selling' during an investigation then Ron and Misty both need to "git their shirttails full o' taters fer roastin'" cause this judge will burn them at the stake!

BBM

:rotfl: ROTFLMAO Gwen, you have made my day and a simple 'thanks' just wasn't enough! I have never heard that said before and I intend to repeat it often...with your permission, of course. Thank you!!

 

[Gwen]

BBM

:rotfl: ROTFLMAO Gwen, you have made my day and a simple 'thanks' just wasn't enough! I have never heard that said before and I intend to repeat it often...with your permission, of course. Thank you!!

Part of my mountain mouth slipped out there. Enjoy.

BTW, If Ron gets only 15 years I am gonna have an old fashioned "con-nip-shin".

 

[littebudot]

They better give rc some years too! I just don't expect him to get over 3yrs and that makes me mad!!!!! He is the one with all the previous drug charges that he has never served time for!!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The Bald Truth | ArtHarris.com » Tommy Croslin Slapped with 15 years!
By Art Harris

"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2010/08/06/tommy-croslin-slapped-with-15-years/


Werter stressed Croslin had cooperated with police in the Haleigh Cummings investigation, and even offered to become a confidential informant to go undercover and bust other drug dealers.



But FDLE agent Travis Smith said that offer had been rejected because he was a public figure who might have been in danger, and for other reasons. He was a main prosecution witness who talked about the key stone cops bust of the Croslins, father Ronald Cummings and cousin Hope Sykes, who also drew a 15 year sentence for one count of traffickingt.

Werter said he showed the judge records that indicated the average sentence for a trafficking charge was 3-5 years.

 

[Mamietwo]

They are both still in jail. They must have let them out for the Tommy's sentencing. Hank did speak on Tommy's behalf (as did Lindsy)

Thanks Kathy! JVM should be interesting today if Grandma's on again.

 

[B4igo2it]

A bit O/T - Maybe TomC told his atty about the fishing spot where they all spent time off and on ... maybe LE found that to be a practical spot to search (and possibly embarrassed that they had not thought to search it prior) ... maybe TomC thought it would be the most likely spot for his cousin to dispose ... maybe it was TomC's best guess of where she MAY be, since his other suspicion (Mondex) was verified as not the place. Maybe LE needed to justify this search (Shell Harbor) and made claims of what TomC stated (Did he sign a statement/confession?) and as we all know, they brought MC there to get her reaction to the location ... and as we all know, there was none. She has claimed over and over that she does not know what happened.
Was this search nothing more than a "hunch" on LE's part. If so, I see NO justification in TomC paying for the search ($50k) both in fines and time just because he upset FDLE, PCSO, and the S.Atty because he did not confess or provide the missing link for LE.
It almost appears as if everyone is trying to use him as a scapegoat - placed at the trailer on 9 Feb, fishing on the dock, one time a red truck mentioned - almost like a setup or something???? IDK

 

[Emeralgem]

So....Haleigh's family was in court hoping something would be mentioned about the missing girl's case. While her name was mentioned, not many details were divulged.

"Annette Sykes said she was in attendance wishing to hear something about her great-granddaughter."

IMHO.....Wonder what she was hoping to hear other than what she, her grandson and her daughter already know...... Wonder IF she was scared to death her and her daughter's name was going to be brought up...
I don't believe GGMS was there because she was wishing to hear something about Haleigh...GGMS, TN and Ron C know everything concerning what happened to Haleigh..JMO

 

[drip~drop]

Just last week, Tommy's marriage ended, and now he's facing a lot more time behind bars than he expected. While I don't have much sympathy for any of the people who are involved in this saga, Tommy must be one very sad man today.

Yeah, he blew it big time. Big freekin time.
I'm sure this'll help sooth his children

 

[LeLe1953]

While I agree that TomC is no angel, I feel this sentence of 20 years is WAY too high.
Obviously the judge is not taking into consideration the needs of L & TomC's children - the end result (sentencing) should be drug treatment, probation, the minimum of 3 yrs. for trafficing, and add on another year for the drug possession @ the bus stop. (4 years is plenty of time for him to "grow up," get treatment, and be rehabilitated!)
Geez, his daughter (especially) will never know her father - If L does not re-marry, society will be supporting another family for the next 17 years. His children are going to have resentment issues and who knows the negative impact this may create in their lives.
How can FDLE claim he is an experienced drug dealer when he has no such charges on his criminal record? The comment about withholding information in the HaLeigh case is also way out of line here too - TomC is not on trial for a missing child! He has not been charged with anything in HaLeigh's case and any statements regarding his involvement were just plain wrong!
Sorry to say; I think this stiff sentence just closed any doors of opportunity for LE to learn any additional information from TomC (possibly a major set-back in locating this child).
I sure as heck hope his innocent children do not have to suffer because LE is gambling on the results of this sentence to further their cause.
just my opinion, for whatever it is worth ...

Note: I, too, want HaLeigh's case solved. I just don't think TomC is involved.

I respect your view point but disagree. I would rather have society pay for child care & food while Lindsey goes to work to her rebuild their life. These children have learned nothing from their druggie daddy. Perhaps, rather than resentment, they will appreciate that if you break the law, if you sell or do drugs, not only will you end up in prison but you lose all that was near & dear to you.
Somewhere the cycle has to be broken. I hope it is broken now, I hope these children & their mother can find peace, happiness & a stable, loving home.
When it comes to someone screwing up their own life, go ahead, I don't care if they die with a needle or over dose. When it comes to screwing up your kids or anyone's else's kids, well, in that case, I would be more than happy to put the needle in their arm.
Again, I respect your view point & that's what keeps our courts balanced.

 

[drip~drop]

what is roxicodone? I've never heard of that.

Roxis are a bit stronger the vicodin or norco.
Usually given after surgery.

 

[tragco]

Well I am glad. Another one in jail.

I think the majority of the family was heavily into drugs, and they are far too ... umm... below average intelligence... to let it get this far if ANY of them (other than that ONE person who did it) knew the truth.

The truth is, IMO, that someone into drugs raped, killed, and hid Haleigh's body . Only 1 person knows for sure and they aren't telling. Heck, it may not even be any of them but someone else who was into drugs and knew about the house arrangements.

Mr. RON, and Misty may not even have anything to do with Haleigh directly, but Ron's lifestyle choices and putting that sweet girl at risk by bringing the lowest of the low around her: druggies, thieves, and just plain risky people; indirectly subjected her to a HIGH risk of injury/death.

I am glad they ALL are in the pokey for a long time. Thank heavens they will not be swimmin' in the gene pool.

Yeah, that last was harsh. But I can't help what I feel.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm just glad that Tommy will be "gone" long enough for his kids to grow up and hope that Lindsey makes a decent life for them, away from druggies and jailbirds. the kids can later decide if they want anything to do with their father.

 

[cottoncandy]

I understand your frustration, but I think Tommy opened the door on the Haleigh case, today, & I find it shameful that he tried to use her, to get a lighter sentence. If he wasn't involved, as you think, he had no business sending LE on a wild goose chase. That alone warrants the 15 years, IMO. Now, if it winds up that he was honest & forthcoming about the whole sordid mess, I'm sure that will be taken into consideration, at a later date. But if he lied, he doesn't deserve leniency. & it's just my opinion, but Tommy had his chance to be a father, & he failed miserably. He blew it, & I think those kids are better off without him hanging around & destroying their lives. That's sad, but I don't see that he cares about them.

Completely agree! And Werter said Tommy knows what happened to Haleigh but wasn't involved, so why didn’t he tell all before sentencing to save himself rather than wait to present that all important information in an appeal? I think either because he was directly involved in Haleigh's death and/or the cover-up, he's afraid of Ron Cummings who killed Haleigh or he was just plain lying to try to help himself. Too bad Tommy didn’t get the full 30 years, he's a career criminal that clearly needs to be kept out of society.

 

[suspicious1]

I agree...Tommy did get a stiff sentence and IMO his lawyer did him no justice IMO. It's like they say, you get what you pay for. And, it all depends on who you know. Seems Tommy has no connections in PC, and well he had no money for a good lawyer. I agree he must do time for any and all crimes, but this sentence to me is is not justice.

How will this help bring Haleigh back? How will this help LE find her? IMO it will not and I will keep MOO to myself for now, don't want a T/O. My heart breaks for Lindsy & her children, she is so heart broken and probably because of her children. They will not know their father and he will not have time to rehabilitate in jail, nor will he be able to help support his children. Another bill for the state of FL..Sad....Sad...Sad...Sad.

I was really hoping that Tommy had given LE some good info on Haleigh and he could of gotten 3 yrs I would not of cared, but what if all he told is all he knows? We really don't know what he does or does not know or what he has told. This case is so frustrating. I guess I am just frustrated that RSO can walk the streets but someone with a drug problem that has children to support gets locked up for 15yrs. I don't see the justice in this. I know most want someone to pay for Haleigh demise, but in my heart I really don't feel like Tommy is to blame and feel if he is holding something back it's because he and Misty are scared to death of Ronald and fear Ron's connections will get to their family. Just what I feel right now.
Bottom line, much sadness that Haleigh is not found and LE is no closer to solving this case IMO. :cow: :truce:

On another note, where the heck has GGMS or the Cummings been looking for Haleigh? :furious:

I ask that same question. In that same article, I just don't understand GMSykes.
I have not heard about them looking anywhere for Haleigh but yet they think she's still alive? How could that be?

Snipped from article above:

The kindergartner's body has not been found, but the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said earlier this year it believes she was killed and considers the ongoing case a homicide investigation.

Haleigh's family was in court hoping something would be mentioned about the missing girl's case. While her name was mentioned, not many details were divulged.

Annette Sykes said she was in attendance wishing to hear something about her great-granddaughter.

"Our only concern is Haleigh. We just keep hoping that something will come out about her," Sykes said. "I hope. I really do. That's how we've done it. Our faith and our hope and our prayers."

"We want everybody to realize that that child is still alive, and we want them to help us keep looking for her," Sykes said. "Nothing would make us happier than to have our baby with us, any happier than for somebody to bring our baby home. That's all we want."

<end>

BBM

Ok, first of all, Annette says that their ONLY concern is Haleigh. But where oh where have they been looking for her? We just keep hearing about vigils in rememberance of Haleigh. If they think that she's still alive, they need to look for her! IMO, they have known Haleigh was "gone" a long time ago. There is no need to look for her, KWIM? Which also says that they already know where she is.....

Annette says that they want everyone to realize that Haleigh's still alive. I am confused...why does LE thinks its a homocide? Did they not share that info and/or evidence with the Cummings? Wouldn't LE keep the Cummings updated in this case, if they were all innocent of any wrongdoing? I'm not sure how that works exactly but if it was one of my own I would want to see some type of evidence that would declare them dead in the eyes of LE. So why are the Cummings and LE on two different pages, KWIM?

I didn't find it odd that GMSykes and Annette were in the courtroom today. I think Tommy knows a little something about what happened to Haleigh and Annette and GMSykes were wondering if Tommy had talked. They were planning their next move, IMO. They may just be petty enough to have attended the hearing today because Lisa C. and Hank Sr. showed up at Ron's hearing...who knows.:furious:

JMO of course

 

[Debbie3223]

I get most of the abbrevations on here.. but

what is BBM???


pretty sure its not BIG BOWEL MOVEMENT...loll

4 real... i cant figure it out

TIA

 

[Maia]

I get most of the abbrevations on here.. but

what is BBM???


pretty sure its not BIG BOWEL MOVEMENT...loll

4 real... i cant figure it out

TIA

LOL...BBM= Bolded By Me

I couldn't figure it out either...for the longest time. However, I like your meaning just as well.

 

[bessie]

I understood it to be:

4gm to 14 gms = 3 yrs
14 to 28 is 15 yrs
over 28 is 25 yrs.

You're right, Whisp.

(c)1. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 4 grams or more of any morphine, opium, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, or any salt, derivative, isomer, or salt of an isomer thereof, including heroin, as described in s. 893.03(1)(b), (2)(a), (3)(c)3., or (3)(c)4., or 4 grams or more of any mixture containing any such substance, but less than 30 kilograms of such substance or mixture, commits a felony of the first degree, which felony shall be known as "trafficking in illegal drugs," punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. If the quantity involved:
a. Is 4 grams or more, but less than 14 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $50,000.
b. Is 14 grams or more, but less than 28 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 15 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $100,000.
c. Is 28 grams or more, but less than 30 kilograms, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and pay a fine of $500,000.

http://www.thelawman.net/PracticeAreas/Florida-Drug-Trafficking-Statutes.asp

 

[txsvicki]

So, since Tommy's getting 15 will he only spend about a third of that in prison if he has good behavior there? I can't see him managing 10 years of probation at all. He's too weak willed.

 

[Debbie3223]

LOL...BBM= Bolded By Me

I couldn't figure it out either...for the longest time. However, I like your meaning just as well.

lol... oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.,... I have seen that...

and being a caregiver.. the other just came to mind..

as in

WE ARE WADIN IN DEEP BBM FROM THE CROSLIN FAMILY...lol

carry on... )

 

[Concerned Papa]

The Bald Truth | ArtHarris.com » Tommy Croslin Slapped with 15 years!
By Art Harris

"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2010/08/06/tommy-croslin-slapped-with-15-years/


Werter stressed Croslin had cooperated with police in the Haleigh Cummings investigation, and even offered to become a confidential informant to go undercover and bust other drug dealers.



But FDLE agent Travis Smith said that offer had been rejected because he was a public figure who might have been in danger, and for other reasons. He was a main prosecution witness who talked about the key stone cops bust of the Croslins, father Ronald Cummings and cousin Hope Sykes, who also drew a 15 year sentence for one count of traffickingt.

Werter said he showed the judge records that indicated the average sentence for a trafficking charge was 3-5 years.

So after your client is sentenced to spend the next 15 years amongst drug users and dealers in the prison system, your notion of the thing to do is go on nationwide media and tell these very people that their new neighbor offered to sell their kind out as an informant?