2010.08.31 Orlando Sentinel's Motion to Intervene

[Bobbisangel]

I think HHJP is working seriously hard to prevent that from happening. I don't think Casey has a prayer in hell of getting an appeal based in ineffective counsel. She knows they're doing a bad job and yet she keeps them. She can't decide later that they weren't good enough. HHJP's got this. Don't worry.

It seems like this judge asked her if she was satisfied with her attorneys and she said "yes." I thought the judge was probably covering her ever using ineffective counsel. Seems like he asked Casey that question right after he took over the case.

 

[logicalgirl]

Isn't the bar for ineffective counsel really low? From the small amount i've read it seems to be never meeting with your client, not showing up for court, being drunk all the time, being asleep during the trial, etc., that sort of thing. I think you can be a darn poor lawyer and not be considered ineffective, even though we are all shocked with the small amount of work Baez seems to think he can get by on.

 

[Omachka]

I thought the standing objections were addressed at the hearing yesterday by HHJP and JB. I think this will be a moot motion from the commentary by the judge and JB indicating that he was "papering" the record of his continued objections. I don't see what there would be to rule on.

I think maybe the reason that the Sentinel called this a Motion to Intervene rather than a response to the Standing Objections is because they were never noticed by the defense of any of these objections. Paragraph 8 says "Before the Court can even consider such a drastic measure, the Sentinel is entitled to notice and an opportunity to be heard on this issue. ..." I think this would give the Sentinel a right to be heard on their Motion to Intervene and then if they win that, wouldn't there have to be a formal hearing of the objections?

Thanks Aedrys for an interesting thread. I've been wondering if any of the media was going to speak up about the fact that they were never noticed with any of these objections. :dance:

 

[Nore]

I love it! I bet Baez is on the phone right now, asking CM what all the big words mean....

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Dear God whats not to understand! I have thought of all this carp the OS.way for a long time:banghead:my own uneducated words yes but they mean the same thing.Yes I too have heard both Judges ask ICA if she is satisfied with council...How the h*77 would she know.Thank you all for listening.I feel better.:woohoo:

 

[zoey]

If it isn't color coded he probably won't understand it anyway.:dance:

I was thinking hmmmmmmmmm isn't that his work product???????? (sorry just tired of that line....work product? I think that man hasn't really yet started to roll up his sleeves to "save" his client.......others perhaps....Not so much him....

 

[zoey]

By all appearances Jose Baez is attending law school with this case. Too bad the other attorneys can't bill him for tuition.

sadly he was teaching a class at the early onset of this.....

 

[zoey]

I think HHJP is working seriously hard to prevent that from happening. I don't think Casey has a prayer in hell of getting an appeal based in ineffective counsel. She knows they're doing a bad job and yet she keeps them. She can't decide later that they weren't good enough. HHJP's got this. Don't worry.

They have the "team" as well ...... so it's not like she doesn't have something...yet continues to cling to jb....???? Agree that the Judges in this have made sure that she knows her outs on this--as well as the SA....that is why I think jb is a little steamed..I truly feel he is upset that this is a death penality case and he can't be the one and only in this due to inexperience in death cases...and that is mentioned over and over---his qualifications or lace thereof...

I would think eventually he would catch onto the fact that you do need case law when filing a motion--wasn't he given that instruction by the first Judge and I know HHJP has cited several cases in his rulings....yet he continues on--on -- I still have problems with him never sending a supenia to people when he needs to--I would think that basic law 101---has happened several times....but oh well....

There was a case on either tru-tv or "snapped" when the case finally went to trial the defendent decided at that point that her lawyer wasn't competent...the Judge in that case said sorry----you have other counsel present and now is to late ..... trial going forward.....made me think--(which I remember the case name who was who...sorry)

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I like the footnote on page 2 !
"...defense counsel are no strangers to media in this case...."

Exactly. Baez wants to pick and choose what gets out in the media, if it's his face, his words, he's okay with it..He's the one who "leaks" things to the media then wants to blame the SAO....such an incompetent fool, IMO...this is one fight he won't/can't win....JMHO

This is more of ICA's tantrum throwing rages..She's the one who doesn't like being under the microscope. She doesn't like the press knows more about her then she knows about herself and the law...She doesn't like that SHE is being scrutinized..His Honor can't do a thing about it, it's a legislature issue. If Baez wants to take on the Federal Courthouse, he needs to get cracking...fat chance this will change for ICA...not a snowballs chance in HELL...JMHO

The press has said, since her incarceration, she's spent over $2200 in the canteen...her parents have sent her the bulk of the money...if they can't pay their rent, how do they keep giving to ICA????

As of October of 2009, Anthony had spent more than $2,200 in the jail’s commissary. In past orders, Anthony has purchased hot peanuts, hot and spicy corn chips and chili with beans.
http://www.wesh.com/r/24246740/detail.html

Justice for Caylee

 

[truckengirl]

WOW! Now that is how you write a Motion. Love the footnote that states the defense is not strangers to the media. I do believe it was the defense that held a press conference not long ago to try and claim victory over the TES documents.

 

[Patriciao]

I think Casey watches the news and then dictates to Jose what his next stupid motion should be. It'll be interesting to see what Ms. Casey thinks of this one! Girl, your goose is cooked. Fess up and be done with it!

 

[tsitra01]

Maybe its just me but Jb's color codeing was hilarious and I was curious as to what color he uses if the depo's were 3/4 done and does everyone receive new papers when the colors change. Oh yes and could'nt help wondering if
he has the Co- counsel on color codes. One color for leaving, one for ready
to leave. One for not showing up etc.

 

[Aedrys]

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Dear God whats not to understand! I have thought of all this carp the OS.way for a long time:banghead:my own uneducated words yes but they mean the same thing.Yes I too have heard both Judges ask ICA if she is satisfied with council...How the h*77 would she know.Thank you all for listening.I feel better.:woohoo:

Both judges have made SURE she knows. Both have asked her, and each time, she said she was satisfied. HHJP makes her come to every hearing but the status ones (IMHO, she ought to be there for those too). She can't sit there in her cell and ignore her own case anymore. She has to sit there in court and pay attention. She was very upset in the last two or three hearings she attended, and I think it was more than just a chipped tooth.

Casey dang well knows what is going on and how her lawyers are doing. It's her fault alone if she decides to keep them and believe they are going to produce a miracle to get her out of jail. Ignorance is not allowed to be a factor for her here. She can't claim she didn't know what was going on at the last minute and get new lawyers, or use it afterwards for an appeal. I cannot see HHJP allowing that right before the trial, and it won't fly afterwards.

And with motions like Orlando Sentinel's, I wonder why she isn't screaming at Baez and Mason TO DO THEM RIGHT! These guys are so incomptent that's it's just unbelievable that Casey KEEPS them. Who knows, maybe no one else will take her case. But I do NOT believe she has any grounds for ineffective counsel, and I think that is what is REALLY is frustrating Baez here. He knows he can't even get an appeal even on that.

I wish Baez would pay attention to REAL motions. I might print this one out and add it to HHJS's as the best motions I've ever seen!

 

[truckengirl]

I just had a thought, I wonder if JB wants the media to stop reporting so that ICA does not get to hear the news on the radio about what a terrible job her defense team is doing. I am sure she probably gets local news on her radio she has in her cell.

 

[pip]

So I guess the judge declared this issue a moot point w/ Baez yesterday without a hearing on it? He said he read from it that Baez just wanted it stated on the record...so this issue is put to rest now?

 

[KenoshaKid]

and this is the same defense that didn't want the gag order early on...:angel:

 

[Aedrys]

and this is the same defense that didn't want the gag order early on...:angel:

I think I'm going to rename this defense the "want our cake and eat it too" defense. They just don't GET that it doesn't work that way!

 

[Steely Dan]

I think I'm going to rename this defense the "want our cake and eat it too" defense. They just don't GET that it doesn't work that way!

I think JB may believe that all of these denied motions will be grounds for a new trial? :waitasec:

 

[ScubaTwinn]

Would anyone know if this means if the Motion is heard, it would be heard in 15 days? Or does that only apply to the Prosecution & Defense Motions?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Would anyone know if this means if the Motion is heard, it would be heard in 15 days? Or does that only apply to the Prosecution & Defense Motions?

This motion is not going to be heard but any other motions will be heard in that time frame and a hearing set.

It's more of a standing objection from the defense since His Honor can't change the law. Had Baez not fought the gag order the prosecution asked for early on, all of these canteen issues would have been covered under the gag order and not given to the public via the Sunshine law...most states have one, in my state it's FOIL....freedom of information legislature....all it takes is one request for certain info and they must release it to you under this act. If Baez or ICA want this to change for HER, she needs to do it at the Federal level and take on the courts/senate who put this into action....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Macushla]

This motion is not going to be heard but any other motions will be heard in that time frame and a hearing set.

It's more of a standing objection from the defense since His Honor can't change the law. Had Baez not fought the gag order the prosecution asked for early on, all of these canteen issues would have been covered under the gag order and not given to the public via the Sunshine law...most states have one, in my state it's FOIL....freedom of information legislature....all it takes is one request for certain info and they must release it to you under this act. If Baez or ICA want this to change for HER, she needs to do it at the Federal level and take on the courts/senate who put this into action....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I am not sure about this. Since the canteen purchases and jail logs are official documents, I think the jail would still have had to release them under the sunshine law if someone asked for them. A gag order would only prevent the prosecution and the defense from talking about the case. The Anthonys could still discuss it, and I wonder if the gag order would have applied to their attorney too? The media could still talk about it, publish the discovery that was released, etc.

Am I wrong about this? Anyone know?