2010.09.27 - Issues with JVM discussing bombshell developments in Haleigh Case

[dodie20]

Good point Dodie. I am also curious about what, IIRC, Levi said about the suspects now includes one we may be surprised about. Any ideas on who that might be?

I have no idea. What might be surprising to the mass audience, might not surprise those of us, who have obsessively kept up with this case. Timmy maybe? Lindsey? Ron's friend that hightailed it away from there. (I don't want to write his name, because that seems unfair). But, Ron has been talking...Unless it's someone I've never heard of, no name would surprise me.

 

[justus4all]

Good point Dodie. I am also curious about what, IIRC, Levi said about the suspects now includes one we may be surprised about. Any ideas on who that might be?

I have a guess....It might be TN....Ron would cover for his mom..

all in my own opinion

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I have a guess....It might be TN....Ron would cover for his mom..

all in my own opinion

That's my guess too. Most people would never suspect the gm, but like Dodie said, we here have been following closer that the gen.public.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I am trying to limit my time here at WS, mainly because my dear daughter thinks I'm obsessed. So, good night all. See you all tomorrow.

 

[dodie20]

i am trying to limit my time here at ws, mainly because my dear daughter thinks i'm obsessed. So, good night all. See you all tomorrow.

lol...

 

[Crosby87]

and with that I agree.....also most dealers dont keep their stash in the primary home....but leave it in a parked car in the yard, or an outbuilding not attached to the house....because search warrants have to be specific

In 2004, Ron was charged for maintaining a drug vehicle. Could someone explain what this means please? Tommy Croslin wasn't charged with maintaining a drug vehicle when drugs were found in his van.

11/16/2004 - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS, POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE

 

[txsvicki]

How did Chelsea know that Ron's meds were in the dresser drawer and does she know if they were gone when LE searched? Maybe Chelsea knows some things and isn't telling all, such as, if Tommy was high, was it from the same pills that Ron had in the drawer? Tommy said that he stayed straight all day because he had no pills, then later said he was messed up on xanax or something. Maybe he got pills somehow after his wife came home from class at 10:00. I'm also wondering if what Misty was wearing when Chelsea took the change of clothes fit with the weather and not having been covered by the blanket on the bed? Ron said that the bed had not been slept in or messed up.

 

[snoopydoo]

Tommy claims that he was so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness, so those drugs added to a predisposition for badness, may be all the motive it took.

Yeah, and then there's the question of where he got the drugs. If it's true that RC had a stash and RC did call ToC to go check on MC and she wasn't home or passed out…

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe Ron is a speed demon. He sure looks like the type imo. That was early on. Police have had more than ample time to critique his alibi and how he made it home so fast. If he clocked out which he probably did then they would have that plus how long it would take him to stop by the store for a few minutes and then head home. The police are very capable of verifying albis......they have to do it some many times in other cases.

I understand the theory somewhat since none of us really knows what has been done behind the scenes by LE and what they have verified proof positive or what they know.

But what I am saying. What if he did not leave his entire shift that night? Is there even any information he ever got in touch with Misty at all that night when he was calling her from work and his cell pings would show his location when he was trying to make those calls.

What if others.. who law enforcement believes are truthful.. those who have even taken polygraphs and passed... saw Haleigh when LE knows Ron was at work?

What I am asking if he was at work and never came home until 911 was called what does that do to the theory that he was involved?

IMO

IMO it has been established pretty well that he has been lying and deflecting and telling untruths about what happened after the fact because some of the things he said have been contradicted by others or by himself and some of them he appears to have backpedalled on. It makes him involved IMO whether or not he was the one who "did it", whatever "it" is.

 

[dodie20]

Good point Dodie. I am also curious about what, IIRC, Levi said about the suspects now includes one we may be surprised about. Any ideas on who that might be?

I really am curious to hear what Ron has been saying, but I would guess that he's calling a few people out by name.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

who knows if this latest story is true and who knows if chelsea has a motive or not. this has been going on for so long now and so many people have inserted themselves and so many lies have been told and recanted that you just can't sort through it all and decide what is true and what is fabrication. however, here are three things i do believe.

i believe that ron did not keep his drugs all over the house. dealers keep up with their stash so they dont' end up in a debt with some very dangerous people. i was married to one. i know this is how they operate. in fact, if he was dealing drugs there's a good chance misty didn't even know where they were. i mean who would trust a drug user alone in their home with their drugs? (2) i believe that if haleigh got into the pills she never would have eaten more than one because a child would naturally chew a pill instead of swallowing it and i doubt it tasted good. but one may have been enough to knock her out (3) ron comes home or gets tommy to go over there dressed in black so jr. won't recognize him and he puts haleigh on the couch and tries CPR (hence the man in black and couch bouncing up and down story from jr.) when the person can't revive her, they believe she is dead and decide to or take instructions from their ring leader to dispose of the body.

but at the end of the day, i still have no idea which player is responsible for what except misty is most definitely responsible for child neglect and/or endangerment and i can't for the life of me figure out why she has not been charged with that. and ron should have been charged with some sort of child neglect for leaving his kids with someone he not only knew to use drugs but knew she had been on a binge and was out of it. i wouldn't let a witch like that babysit my dog.

:waitasec:I wonder if maybe this happen at the Magnolia address or even another address? Remember a while back LE had questioned Nay Nay (I think) while in jail regarding someone saying that Misty was at a party and Haleigh OD'd? I am thinking that maybe since Lisa and Hank Sr. were at the hospital Misty had a party in their home at the Magnolia address? Lindsay said she got home around 10:15-10:30PM from school that night and Tommy was home with their kids, that is the only reason I don't feel anything happen on Tyler. LE found nothing on Green that we know of, they came back way to late to take the back door for what ever reason and said there was no sign of force entry.
So I question what may of happen at the Magnolia address, it is close to the St.Johns river and LE feels that Haleigh died in that area, it is possible. Empty house, why not party, drink, get high? If Misty was still mad at Ron that is where she probably would stay IMO. She did go back to the Magnolia address instead of staying with Ron and family in the tents the first week remember.
If true that she was called to babysit that night, then I would assume she was not at the Green Ln. MH. Maybe she went there when the A/C guy came over but left? I sometimes wonder if Misty meet the A/C guy there to sell him some pot or drugs and that is why we have not heard anything from the A/C guy...:waitasec:

Then there was that Joe P. who allegeldy signed a swore affidavit as to info he had. That Haleigh OD'd? Maybe Haleigh was given something, just not at the MH on Green.
I agree, there are so many lies that have been told and recanted that it's almost impossible to sort through it all and decide what is true and what is fabrication. :cow:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm inclined to think that Ron may have gone home & helped clean up the guns, drugs, etc...& then went & did the ciggy run. not because he participated in the murder, but because he was looking out for his hide. Now, that's just a halfhearted guess, because I have no idea, but I do believe he played some role in the clean-up/cover-up, & that's why LE has been so hard on him, in the plea deal. He could've gotten a lot less, so I'm thinking LE holds him responsible for a big part of this case being derailed. I know you don't agree, & that's cool, but for him to have gotten that 15 years, says to me at least, that Ron was more than an innocent bystander.

Morning Dodie!

Florida has mandatory minimums so I don't understand what you mean he could have gotten less time? He got the minimum allowed and he was looking at 70-90 years or the rest of his natural life. Getting only 15 years with probably having to serve only around 85% IS a sweetheart deal, imo.. One of them only had one offense right? Yet she got the mandatory minimum of 15 years.

But if he went home first to do all of this and then went back to get the cigs and the beer then why would LE comment to him wondering how he got home so fast after work? Imo, they know by now Dodie exactly when he left work and I have read that PDM has surveillance security cameras on sight. I think LE has long verified Ron's whereabouts that day from the time he went to work until the 911 was placed when he arrived home.

LE has always stated that Misty is the key to solving this case and goodness knows she and her brother have derailed this case forever it seems.

IMO

 

[Emeralgem]

:waitasec:I wonder if maybe this happen at the Magnolia address or even another address? Remember a while back LE had questioned Nay Nay (I think) while in jail regarding someone saying that Misty was at a party and Haleigh OD'd? I am thinking that maybe since Lisa and Hank Sr. were at the hospital Misty had a party in their home at the Magnolia address? Lindsay said she got home around 10:15-10:30PM from school that night and Tommy was home with their kids, that is the only reason I don't feel anything happen on Tyler. LE found nothing on Green that we know of, they came back way to late to take the back door for what ever reason and said there was no sign of force entry.
So I question what may of happen at the Magnolia address, it is close to the St.Johns river and LE feels that Haleigh died in that area, it is possible. Empty house, why not party, drink, get high? If Misty was still mad at Ron that is where she probably would stay IMO. She did go back to the Magnolia address instead of staying with Ron and family in the tents the first week remember.
If true that she was called to babysit that night, then I would assume she was not at the Green Ln. MH. Maybe she went there when the A/C guy came over but left? I sometimes wonder if Misty meet the A/C guy there to sell him some pot or drugs and that is why we have not heard anything from the A/C guy...:waitasec:

Then there was that Joe P. who allegeldy signed a swore affidavit as to info he had. That Haleigh OD'd? Maybe Haleigh was given something, just not at the MH on Green.
I agree, there are so many lies that have been told and recanted that it's almost impossible to sort through it all and decide what is true and what is fabrication. :cow:

I'm inclined to believe Haleigh just may have died there sometime in the late afternoon, and I highly doubt there was any partying going on that involved Misty and any of her friends that night...JMHO..

 

[tehcloser]

Didn't Rons attorney say something about there was not a camera strapped to Ron all night at work, so yeah there was some question with LE about his work hours or something to that effect. Anyway it left me with the impression LE did question his hours and if he was there the whole time. Also, Ron's attorney let us know for sure Ron was on the suspect list with his remark of moving him from "top to bottom".

 

[Emeralgem]

Misty and Tommy certainly aren't the ONLY ones who have derailed this case...We have Ronald Cummings, his mother and his grandmother who have used every diabolical, underhanded manipulative lying tactic they could think of to derail this case too..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO it has been established pretty well that he has been lying and deflecting and telling untruths about what happened after the fact because some of the things he said have been contradicted by others or by himself and some of them he appears to have backpedalled on. It makes him involved IMO whether or not he was the one who "did it", whatever "it" is.

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

 

[Donjeta]

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

We may have a different interpretation of "involved".

IMO anybody who has participated in the cover up by lying, deflecting, hiding what they know, protecting the guilty parties after the fact is involved, even if they were a thousand miles away when it happened.

 

[bessie]

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

Let's assume Ron was at work for his entire shift, and Haleigh's death occurred during that time, which is what I'm fairly convinced is true. Do you think Ron believed Misty's story that an intruder kidnapped Haleigh from the MH while Misty was asleep?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

oceanblueeyes, we are all confused your not alone!

I for one don't have the answers to any of the above, and LE certainly has not helped either because they also refuse to give any information regarding Ron and others. They say Misty is the "key", not the "POI".

This is why it's so hard to stick with one theory, anything is possible and looks as if LE feels there is more than 2 people involved in Haleigh's Murder.
The most we hear from LE, or at least me has been that they have "SEVERAL POI" and "ONE OF THEM WE WILL ALL BE SURPRISED".
I to wish we would be privy to some type of information or at least be given a tid bit of what is going one. But also understand that it might compromise the investigation by letting the main perp know they are on to him/her.

As for Ron's involvement, all I can assume is he must of had some if he was given a deal by the SA. How else would he have knowledge of what happen if he did not take part in some way?

I would assume that if he heard who "did it" he would of "killed" that person, why would he hold on to information for over a yr and half regarding his daughter's demise? That is what makes me feel that Ron had some type of role in what happen on Feb 9. :cow:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

We may have a different interpretation of "involved".

IMO anybody who has participated in the cover up by lying, deflecting, hiding what they know, protecting the guilty parties after the fact is involved, even if they were a thousand miles away when it happened.

I am talking about committing a criminal act in the disappearance and imo murder of Haleigh.

I just cannot wrap my head around the possibility that Misty just sat down with Ronald one day and said "let me tell you how I or Tommy or XXXXX murdered your little girl." (example only)

IMO