2010.11.29 Hearing: RE: Defense Won't Have Hair Expert @ Trial

[Leila]

Lets look at what the State's expert is saying about the hair, showing root banding. Their expert is saying this hair found in her car trunk exhibits charcteristics (proximal banding) consistent with decomposition. He/she is careful not to state as a categorical fact that this single hair came from a dead person. It's likely this Petraco guy couldn't argue with that statement.

:twocents:What helps the State considerably, is that in asserting a decomposing body was in that trunk, they are not offering the hair banding evidence in isolation. They will present additional testimony from the cadaver dog handlers, witness statements about the powerful smell, the entomologist's report (damning imo) and if allowed the air sample test results.

Add in her own statements about a smell in her car caused either by squirrels or George hitting something............:waitasec: stick the fork in already.

And Cindy's 911 call - "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!"

 

[krisskross]

And Cindy's 911 call - "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!"

:woohoo: Aint it the truth?

 

[Aedrys]

Bumping this up because apparently the defense is up a creek with this motion by the prosecution:

Prosecutors want hair from Casey Anthony’s trunk admitted as evidence at trial

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...y’s-trunk-admitted-as-evidence-at-trial

So if the defense doesn't have a hair expert, how they are going to refute this if it's left in? And I really hope the SA, to prove their point, brings in Casey's statement about Casey being alive. I hope we get a hearing on this!

 

[Sun]

Bumping this up because apparently the defense is up a creek with this motion by the prosecution:



So if the defense doesn't have a hair expert, how they are going to refute this if it's left in? And I really hope the SA, to prove their point, brings in Casey's statement about Casey being alive. I hope we get a hearing on this!

Beats me. I think that Baez thinks that it's going to be up to the State to prove that the evidence can come in. And, that Baez isn't planning on proving anything. He has no expert that can testify on this, at least not any that have referenced this hair in their report.

 

[NoNameLeft]

And reading the State's Response, it becomes clear why the defense said their expert Dr. Petraco would not testify at trial. The State uses Dr. Petraco's work to back up their claims that this evidence should be allowed in.

Click here to read the State's Response.

 

[Sun]

Read State's Response On Motion To Exclude Unreliable Evidence (Post Mortem Banding):

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27218872/detail.html

 

[Sun]

And reading the State's Response, it becomes clear why the defense said their expert Dr. Petraco would not testify at trial. The State uses Dr. Petraco's work to back up their claims that this evidence should be allowed in.

Click here to read the State's Response.

Oh, this is just so funny! Appears that JA is using published works from Dr. Petraco to prove up that the hair evidence not be excluded from the trial.

 

[Tulessa]

Somehow..I get the impression Henry Lee's testimony is going to be very limited..and apparantly he is not responding to the Prosecutions attempts to contact...Its only common sense..You dont respond to things you want to avoid answering..LOL..Poor HL..he has had such a fall from grace....His integrity has been called into question..thus his standing is Nadda..Wadda..I for one dont care about his views any more..He proved to be a bought and paid for witness...Yikes!!

I read somewhere how he billed for $8,000.00 tho defense said they paid him with oranges..LOL..Really in truly..I would love to see his Invoice!!

I posted this earlier on another thread. Just for chuckles!!

"It's not a one-shot deal. Dr. Lee is contracted for the life of the case," Black said. ( or until the money runs out) < BBM, My words.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...runk-henry-lee

 

[ThinkTank]

03/16/2011 . . . Response to Motion to Exclude Unreliable Evidence (Post Mortem Banding)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27218872/detail.html
378 pages

Footnote - page 1 - "In this case it is interesting to note that the hair in question was examined by an expert in this area hired by the Defense who, after his examination, she declined to list as a witness. [Nicholas Petraco] To date no defense witness is disputing the FBI analysts [FBI Trace Evidence Unit - Karen Korsberg Lowe] opinion in this matter."

page 3-4 - "... The court concluded, based largely upon the testimony of Nicholas Petraco, and Dr. Peter DeForest, authors of the first referenced journal article above, "that the methodology testified to by the defendant's experts concerning postmortem hair banding is generally accepted within the forensic scientific community" at 378...."
"The State would also submit for the courts consideration a transcript of the testimony of Nicholas Petraco, and Dr. Peter DeForest in People v. Kogut. (Appendix D)."

Footnote - page 4 - "Mr. Petraco is, not coincidentally, the Defendant's expert referenced in footnote 1."

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en
DEFENSE WITNESS LIST

Nicholas Petraco - New York - John Jay College of Criminal Justice
EXPERT - Criminalist and Hair Banding Expert - Forensic Science
He reviewed the evidence in July 2010, and was sent FBI samples Q12 and
Q12.1 hair in trunk - to examine in October 2010
Never officially placed on Defense Witness List - announced in
Nov 29, 2010 Status Hearing that he would not be a Defense Witness

 

[RR0004]

Oh, this is just so funny! Appears that JA is using published works from Dr. Petraco to prove up that the hair evidence not be excluded from the trial.

...smart man!

 

[RR0004]

03/16/2011 . . . Response to Motion to Exclude Unreliable Evidence (Post Mortem Banding)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27218872/detail.html
378 pages

Footnote - page 1 - "In this case it is interesting to note that the hair in question was examined by an expert in this area hired by the Defense who, after his examination, she declined to list as a witness. [Nicholas Petraco] To date no defense witness is disputing the FBI analysts [FBI Trace Evidence Unit - Karen Korsberg Lowe] opinion in this matter."

page 3-4 - "... The court concluded, based largely upon the testimony of Nicholas Petraco, and Dr. Peter DeForest, authors of the first referenced journal article above, "that the methodology testified to by the defendant's experts concerning postmortem hair banding is generally accepted within the forensic scientific community" at 378...."
"The State would also submit for the courts consideration a transcript of the testimony of Nicholas Petraco, and Dr. Peter DeForest in People v. Kogut. (Appendix D)."

Footnote - page 4 - "Mr. Petraco is, not coincidentally, the Defendant's expert referenced in footnote 1."

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en
DEFENSE WITNESS LIST

Nicholas Petraco - New York - John Jay College of Criminal Justice
EXPERT - Criminalist and Hair Banding Expert - Forensic Science
He reviewed the evidence in July 2010, and was sent FBI samples Q12 and
Q12.1 hair in trunk - to examine in October 2010
Never officially placed on Defense Witness List - announced in
Nov 29, 2010 Status Hearing that he would not be a Defense Witness

Didn't they even read any of this man's findings before claiming him as their expert? Or did they just pick a name out of the telephone book to offer up at the status hearing? Someone most definitely didn't do their homework.

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Padilla, Bodyguards Tell All In Newly Released Interviews
Posted: 9:19 am EDT September 4, 2009

excerpt

"Casey had an even colder reaction to the finding that hair consistent with hers and Caylee's came from a dead body."

"She goes, 'Well, I'm alive,'" McLaughlin told investigators."

[NOTE: Tracy McL is not on either the State nor Defense Witness List, and neither is L. Padilla or Rob D.]

 

[RR0004]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Padilla, Bodyguards Tell All In Newly Released Interviews
Posted: 9:19 am EDT September 4, 2009

excerpt

"Casey had an even colder reaction to the finding that hair consistent with hers and Caylee's came from a dead body."

"She goes, 'Well, I'm alive,'" McLaughlin told investigators."

[NOTE: Tracy McL is not on either the State nor Defense Witness List, and neither is L. Padilla or Rob D.]

Thank g-d for small favors!

 

[ThinkTank]

Didn't they even read any of this man's findings before claiming him as their expert? Or did they just pick a name out of the telephone book to offer up at the status hearing? Someone most definitely didn't do their homework.

They actually sent the evidence to Petraco for testing!
He reviewed the evidence in July 2010, and was sent FBI samples Q12 and
Q12.1 hair in trunk - to examine in October 2010

Then, never officially put him on the Defense Witness List

 

[Caligram]

So, Jose ~ what's your next move? Still got those dreams of being rich and famous?
Funny, how sometimes the truth keeps pushing through all the piles of BS and actually gets stronger from all the fertilizer.

 

[strach304]

I've always found this subject to be quite ironic because at one time LKB was one of the defense lawyers. Her husband (Michael Baden) stated on NG or Greta during the Madeline McCann case the black band on hair proves decomposition. That's why I have always believed this to be crucial evidence. Even though the Anthony's like to scream junk science about everything there was the time George yelled at the media stating that wasn't his granddaughter in the trunk or words to that effect. Didn't deny the dead body in the car just that it wasn't Caylee.

 

[CBTampa]

So, Jose ~ what's your next move? Still got those dreams of being rich and famous?
Funny, how sometimes the truth keeps pushing through all the piles of BS and actually gets stronger from all the fertilizer.

and to think...it only took 1 hair.

 

[cloud9]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Padilla, Bodyguards Tell All In Newly Released Interviews
Posted: 9:19 am EDT September 4, 2009

excerpt

"Casey had an even colder reaction to the finding that hair consistent with hers and Caylee's came from a dead body."

"She goes, 'Well, I'm alive,'" McLaughlin told investigators."

[NOTE: Tracy McL is not on either the State nor Defense Witness List, and neither is L. Padilla or Rob D.]

I always thought they would be subpoena'd by the state. They saw and heard a lot! JMO

 

[joypath]

:twocents: Let's ramp up the "irony card":" Mr. Petraco is, not coincidentally, the Defendant's expert referenced in footnote 1."
WHICH referred to the Helle Crafts case that just happened to be "solved" by (wait for it.............) Henry C. Lee, Ph.D.!!!!!! :truce:





As stated only too many times before>>>>>>YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[logicalgirl]

:twocents: Let's ramp up the "irony card":" Mr. Petraco is, not coincidentally, the Defendant's expert referenced in footnote 1."
WHICH referred to the Helle Crafts case that just happened to be "solved" by (wait for it.............) Henry C. Lee, Ph.D.!!!!!! :truce:





As stated only too many times before>>>>>>YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Now that I have picked myself up off the floor and dried my eyes and my screen, is the field of experts really that narrow or is this just a silly - well hilarious - coincidence?