2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[weeds]

Holy crap...

“We’re confident that what they’re doing is all the right stuff, and every bit of information we’ve gotten from them has reassured us of that,” said Young, but added she believes it’s time to name a suspect.

“We have overwhelming evidence,” said Young.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

 

[mmmagique]

ita. and if an individual had it in their head that dy was responsible for kyron's disappearance and went to her home knocked on her door and asked "where is kyron?" it would not be considered stalking/harrassing.

if this person went to dy's house to try and speak with her and dy hid. i wouldn't call dy a coward for doing so.

there is no law that this person couldn't post signs and banners depicting dy and kyron. and nor is there a law that states this person can not ask other people to ask dy the mere question of "what have you done with kyron?"

Encouraging people to ask questions of dy would be perfectly legal and harmless.

That would not make sense. She has a verifiable alibi.

 

[Emma Peel]

First of all:

:fireworks: Go, Desi, Go! :fireworks: Go, Toni, Go! :fireworks:

Kaine can't do this with his suit pending against Terri. So here's a group hug for them all. :grouphug:


Okay - after that little party I have a few little technical questions and a comment or two -

Yard signs?
I read above (only in posts) that Desiree went to the door of Terri's parents house, knocked/rang bell and got no response. Then she put up signs all around the house.

I'm just curious if that's accurate.

I'm not from Oregon, but you can't do that around here without risking consequence. It's trespassing. (You can erect a sign in a yard, with permission of the owner. To many signs - and signs in the yard long past the "due date" - the city will be after you eventually for violating some ordinance, IMO - but that's here in my town...)

So I guess I was wondering if the Desire then put "signs around Terri's house" meant Terri's parent's property - yard. Or, just in the neighborhood. Has anyone see any clarification on that?

Hey, I don't blame her if she did. But something tells me we'd have a picture of the signs in the yard by now... Do we think Desiree alerted the press in advance to this mini-campaign...?

News is saying no further requests for funding Kyron's case will be forthcoming next week from MCSO.

Desiree's statement of having evidence is pretty bold, IMO. On the other hand, MCSO could be settled on Terri as suspect, and just not telling anyone.

Finally I'm reading here that Desiree retracted a statement saying she believed Kyron was dead? Was that live on tape?

Nice to see Desi shakin' things up again. But ... I wonder if her timing here coordinated with the scheduled MCSO meeting next week. I don't think Desiree would be taking this step if she believed an arrest was imminent.

And that makes me sad.

thanks & hi everyone! :wave:

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Desiree has endured the worst nightmare a mother should never have to go through with the greatest of fortitude. She is a very DRIVEN and DETERMINED MOTHER to get JUSTICE for her son Kyron! I have the greatest admiration for her.

Me three LBD. That poor woman - I just don't know how she has held it together this long -- and without harming TH. She probably knows so much more than we do but cannot say. I have the utmost respect for this classy lady, although if it were me, I don't know whether I could refrain from beating the ever-loving truth out of TH with every ounce of my tiny frame as to where my child is or what happened to them. She is a better woman than me.

I hope sweet little Kyron is found soon and the guilty punished severely.

 

[Emma Peel]

A "liar" ... does NOT like to be CONFRONTED with the TRUTH !

Eventually ... the TRUTH will move all the lies out of the way !

I'm just quoting this because that first sentence...struck me as spot on... made me grin a little - (especially considering Desiree's actions in Terri's neighborhood). :rocker:

 

[Emma Peel]

We have knowledge she was handing out halloween candy to children. Going to bars.

Interesting.


How does Desiree have this knowledge, I wonder? Witnesses who come forward reporting on Terri's activities? Or - is Terri being "officially" undercover-tailed? :waitasec:

To me, this sounds - perhaps - as if some locals (?) are keeping an eye out for Terri when she's out and about & reporting activity back to Desiree & Tony.

It would be nice if she were being tailed, though.
JMO

 

[BeanE]

Holy crap...

“We’re confident that what they’re doing is all the right stuff, and every bit of information we’ve gotten from them has reassured us of that,” said Young, but added she believes it’s time to name a suspect.

“We have overwhelming evidence,” said Young.

http://www.kptv.com/news/26928571/detail.html

But Young says she doesn't expect police to name Terri as a suspect at that point.

http://kezi.com/page/204959

These things that Desiree stated just don't match. Or maybe she's not including LE in the 'we' that have 'overwhelming evidence'. But then, I would hope whoever does have 'overwhelming evidence' would give that to LE, so they can name a suspect, and get on with arresting, charging, and trying them.

 

[BeanE]

Desiree on Good Morning America

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-horman-12959259&tab=9482931&section=1206833

 

[Spookytube]

Good for DY. I believe this is more symbolic then anything. Like she said, remind TH everyday of KY. It has got to be a little stress on TH. TH should realize just because she can remain silent, does not mean she is protected by the reality of all of this. TH cannot just hide behind her silence and hope it all goes away. I do not think DY is going awau and neither would I. IMOO
God Bless DY and Kyron.
Also, it is awesome to see a mother step up for her child. TO see how much Kyron is loved both warms my heart and breaks it at the same time. Bittersweet I guess.

 

[Emma Peel]

True, but doesn't point to anyone.



Evidence?



Possibly not counting a minor.



True, but doesn't point to anyone.



Sorry, if you were accused of a crime but were innocent, you would hire a bad attorney?



It's not a very strong alibi, but do you have any evidence it a false one? Evidence, not "common sense" which happens to support your theory.



As you probably know, she has established through the court that she wishes very much to see her child, but that the previously cited "best" defense attorney around has determined it is not feasible. To suggest she has "disdain" for her child is to suggest she and her lawyer have committed serious perjury in going very clearly on the record to elaborate otherwise.


No, because she has a right not to be railroaded into giving testimony that may be twisted and used against her regardless of her guilt. You would want the same right.

Or maybe they did not. Equally likely, yet you weight the one that favors your theory.



It does at that, but it certainly doesn't point to a suspect. Lists like the above --which, I notice, have evolved greatly over the course of this case -- are a way of creating a sense of an argument being stronger than it is. It uses highly charged emotional words and implies a whole plethora of other, unlisted evidence which doesn't exist. Additionally, the mind perceives a list of arguments as stronger when taken together than is equal to the actual sum of the strength of each individual argument. In other words, three weak arguments put together appear like one strong one, but they are not.

Logical.

But ... gitana did not include much on that list regarding the things we believe we know about Terri.

Putting 50 pieces of information together that seem weak or unrelated on their own - but tell a story all together ... is how it works if you are left with nothing but a circumstantial case. Right?

Not to mention, we don't know half of what MCSO knows about Terri. IMO, if we know 50, they likely have at least 100 pieces of information ... circumstantial as each may be. And they're keeping the best stuff to themselves.

JMHO

 

[CASH]

I think this campaign of hers is about pressuring LE, as well as TH. Yes, she respects and supports the work LE is doing on her son's behalf. But it is clear now that wants them to name TH a suspect. By taking the campaign publicly like this, and telling the public that there is overhwelming evidence that this woman harmed her child, she is putting pressure on LE to name her as a suspect. I don't think the timing of next week's meeting is coincidental. There will be someone at the meeting next week who says to Stanton something like this: we've spent all of this time and money, and the mother is running around Roseberg calling out TH as a suspect. Why haven't we yet?

I applaud Desiree for taking such a bold stand. She has nothing more to lose and everything to gain by way of justice for Kyron.

 

[Emma Peel]

What's always interesting to me is remembering - when watching what Desiree does - the fact that she does have a detective (albeit not a Kyron detective) advising her.

 

[Adrienne37]

Again, I continue to be amazed at Desiree's courage and grace in this most horrific ordeal that anyone could ever have to endure and I applaud her for having the gumption to take the bulls by the horn. Terri needs to understand that Desiree is not going to rest until Kyron is found. Desiree is not going to sit idly by and if applying pressure is what Desiree needs to do to make something happen, then I say go for it. If Terri has been out in bars and was actually handing out candy on Halloween to other children, well that's just plain disgusting but not surprising. The longer this goes on, the more secure Terri is feeling but the walls will come crashing down because Desiree isn't going to stop until Kyron is brought home. So to Desiree, you go girl!! You keep on keeping on. You've got many supporters out there who think you are doing the right thing.


~jmo~

 

[Chablis]

You mean as in did they get any required permits in order to distribute the flyers?

I totally, totally understand their motivation, but these things can have serious consequences. One nut job who gets worked up by it and does something violent. Then the criminal and/or civil actions start and lawyers get hired. I so hope nothing goes wrong.

I see Kaine and Desiree haven't patched things up yet.

It would take one cold person to try to get Desiree in trouble for putting up flyers of her missing precious boy, I mean seriously.

 

[Kimster]

Signage info (regarding Oregon)

Each municipality has their own ordinances. Some might say you can put a certain sized sign in certain areas for a period of time, but the ones I'm familiar with do not.

In my town, they have to get the owner's permission to put signs on the property. Perhaps the owners around the area allowed her to put up signs? As we are well aware, the media is not detail orientated with their news coverage on these cases. :waiting:

 

[gwenabob]

True, but doesn't point to anyone.



Evidence?



Possibly not counting a minor.



True, but doesn't point to anyone.



Sorry, if you were accused of a crime but were innocent, you would hire a bad attorney?



It's not a very strong alibi, but do you have any evidence it a false one? Evidence, not "common sense" which happens to support your theory.



As you probably know, she has established through the court that she wishes very much to see her child, but that the previously cited "best" defense attorney around has determined it is not feasible. To suggest she has "disdain" for her child is to suggest she and her lawyer have committed serious perjury in going very clearly on the record to elaborate otherwise.


No, because she has a right not to be railroaded into giving testimony that may be twisted and used against her regardless of her guilt. You would want the same right.

Or maybe they did not. Equally likely, yet you weight the one that favors your theory.



It does at that, but it certainly doesn't point to a suspect. Lists like the above --which, I notice, have evolved greatly over the course of this case -- are a way of creating a sense of an argument being stronger than it is. It uses highly charged emotional words and implies a whole plethora of other, unlisted evidence which doesn't exist. Additionally, the mind perceives a list of arguments as stronger when taken together than is equal to the actual sum of the strength of each individual argument. In other words, three weak arguments put together appear like one strong one, but they are not.

I disagree. That is how a circumstantial case is built. By weaving a tapestry of thread after thread and when you are done weaving, the resulting scene is crystal clear. She won't be convicted on one thing or another. She will be convicted on all the evidence woven together to show the true story. (BTW, in case you don't know, Gitana is an attorney.)

 

[gwenabob]

First of all:


Yard signs?
I read above (only in posts) that Desiree went to the door of Terri's parents house, knocked/rang bell and got no response. Then she put up signs all around the house.

I'm just curious if that's accurate.

I'm not from Oregon, but you can't do that around here without risking consequence. It's trespassing. (You can erect a sign in a yard, with permission of the owner. To many signs - and signs in the yard long past the "due date" - the city will be after you eventually for violating some ordinance, IMO - but that's here in my town...)

So I guess I was wondering if the Desire then put "signs around Terri's house" meant Terri's parent's property - yard. Or, just in the neighborhood. Has anyone see any clarification on that?

I think the story could have been a little bit clearer, but I really doubt she was putting signs in Terri's yard. I think they should have said "distributed" in the neighborhood Terri resides in. The KGW story said she was distributing flyers in areas Terri frequents.

Considering Desiree is married to LE, I'm sure she is savvy enough to know what she can and can't do. Hence, Terri is still among the living.

I, on the other hand, NOT being married to LE, would have just whacked her by now then claimed ignorance of the law!

 

[lonetraveler]

Wow this is so how I would act. I would be a thorn in the side of the person hiding away from their actions. Go Desiree. Bring Kyron justice.

LOL, grandmaj, I know what you mean! I see her as having shown alot of restraint. I most likely would be in jail by now because I know that I would approach her and ask her face to face. I'm also not sure that mere words would suffice.

 

[delaney]

OT,

Reminds me of the time someone went to one of John Ramsey's

political speech's and opened an umbrella.

sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

You go Desiree!

 

[mysticrose]

While I am all for posting these fliers everywhere especially around where Terri lives, the flier that basicly accuse's Terri point blank is going to cause some problems for Des... That I believe can be grounds for harrassment, imhoo..... She shouldn't stoop that low, down to Terri's level, but I understand nothing else seems to be working .

The fliers could have been worded differently and still got the point across.

Bless her heart, I can't even imagine the pain, hate an everything in between that she feels.