2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[Shadowboy]

More hatred being stirred up against TH, or re-newed hatred, whatever the case may be...none of it will make her more likely to decide suddenly to confess. If this makes Desiree feel even a little bit better, than she should go for it. But I hope she does not really think that Terri will answer the question "Where is Kyron?".

IMO the point of this latest flyer campaign in TH's backyard is to make TH's life miserable. R-burg is small. Not much media to snoop/report on TH and a whole raft of people who "know" TH as a hometown girl. DY is introducing a great big elephant into the very small room of Roseburg. It probably won't make TH talk ... but she might not find life so cozy.

 

[jwinchester]

I don't believe that is what happened at all. I think Terri's own behavior is what caused her to become the POI. I also believe there is WAAAAAY more evidence than what has been divulged to the public. I believe LE has very good reason to suspect Terri, and Terri is the one who gave them those reasons. I think the facts are driving the theory.

But you're clearly claiming the "facts" driving the theory in part are actually ones which you don't even know exist. You "believe" they exist but you don't even know what they are. How can you say you're building a theory on unknown facts which may not even exist?

Again, looking at Terri's "behavior" could easily make you think she is guilty without there being one shred of actual evidence. I could pick someone at random from the board, decide they were involved, and build a case against them. Then whenever there were gaps, contradictions or unknowns in my theory, I could say "well, I believe there's a lot more out there, and I think LE agrees with me" and then redirect to one of my previously established arguments as if it can be used twice.

Imagine two friends named Sam and Max discuss the case, because I like using invented names instead of letters.

Sam: "She sent sexy texts immediately after her husband left. No one normal would do that. It shows she is either indifferent to Kyron, or highly immoral in general."

Max: "You don't know if it is normal, because you don't know how many people involved in missing child cases do this. You only know that this time you found out about it. And even if it is inappropriate or unusual, an equally valid interpretation of this behavior would be that she is someone who turns to sex for comfort. Because we can easily find this other explanation, we know this claim is subjective."

Sam: "But if you add it to the fact that she once had a DUI doesn't that make her seem immoral in general?"

Max: "Zero plus one equals one. We already zeroed out the first argument because either of our interpretations might be valid so we cannot assume either of them are. You cannot now re-add it to the equation."

Sam: "Well, I think there's a lot of stuff, so much that some of it must add up."

Max: "Without examining each piece of it individually and specifically, you can't know whether any of it even exists."

 

[Chablis]

Is your opinon swayed or not by this disturbing news?
As for myself this news did not sway me in the least, I'm so far off that fence, I'm in a hole.

I wish they would just lock her up already. I think shes capable of killing a child, I think shes a danger to society and I cant even believe parents would knowingly take their kids to her house for trick or treating. That is terrifying.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO the point of this latest flyer campaign in TH's backyard is to make TH's life miserable. R-burg is small. Not much media to snoop/report on TH and a whole raft of people who "know" TH as a hometown girl. DY is introducing a great big elephant into the very small room of Roseburg. It probably won't make TH talk ... but she might not find life so cozy.

I find it hard to believe that her life has been especially cozy up til now. Yes, apparently someone told Desiree she was seen out someplace. But there have been virtually no reported sightings of her anywhere at any time, which seems odd to me.

And if all she wants to do is make Terri squirm, that's fine, this may accomplish that, but it will bring her not one step closer to finding Kyron.

 

[jwinchester]

Somewhat OT, but I hope it's all right in the spirit of things: I really appreciate and admire how civil this board is compared to the wilderness out there. Even though I know some of you disagree extremely, you're still taking the time to engage without attacking. I hope it is clear that I absolutely respect everyone's right to think I am completely full of it. I'm just glad to be able to share my views without having to dodge toxicity. It's a tribute both to the strength of this community and the skill of the moderaters.

 

[Chablis]

I find it hard to believe that her life has been especially cozy up til now. Yes, apparently someone told Desiree she was seen out someplace. But there have been virtually no reported sightings of her anywhere at any time, which seems odd to me.

And if all she wants to do is make Terri squirm, that's fine, this may accomplish that, but it will bring her not one step closer to finding Kyron.

And I am pretty sure Desiree knows that, I dont think thats what this is about for her. I think its to alert the town she is living that a potential child killer could be among them passing out candy and having a cold one at the bar, I really would want to know if someone like that was around. There is a very good chance she hurt Kyron, she has failed lie detector tests, she is not as cooperative as she should be, she hired a criminal defense lawyer....

 

[Aedrys]

But you're clearly claiming the "facts" driving the theory in part are actually ones which you don't even know exist. You "believe" they exist but you don't even know what they are. How can you say you're building a theory on unknown facts which may not even exist?

Again, looking at Terri's "behavior" could easily make you think she is guilty without there being one shred of actual evidence. I could pick someone at random from the board, decide they were involved, and build a case against them. Then whenever there were gaps, contradictions or unknowns in my theory, I could say "well, I believe there's a lot more out there, and I think LE agrees with me" and then redirect to one of my previously established arguments as if it can be used twice.

Imagine two friends named Sam and Max discuss the case, because I like using invented names instead of letters.

Sam: "She sent sexy texts immediately after her husband left. No one normal would do that. It shows she is either indifferent to Kyron, or highly immoral in general."

Max: "You don't know if it is normal, because you don't know how many people involved in missing child cases do this. You only know that this time you found out about it. And even if it is inappropriate or unusual, an equally valid interpretation of this behavior would be that she is someone who turns to sex for comfort. Because we can easily find this other explanation, we know this claim is subjective."

Sam: "But if you add it to the fact that she once had a DUI doesn't that make her seem immoral in general?"

Max: "Zero plus one equals one. We already zeroed out the first argument because either of our interpretations might be valid so we cannot assume either of them are. You cannot now re-add it to the equation."

Sam: "Well, I think there's a lot of stuff, so much that some of it must add up."

Max: "Without examining each piece of it individually and specifically, you can't know whether any of it even exists."

But each piece comes together to present an entire picture. A puzzle is a lot of pieces put together and looked at as a complete picture. There's no way to know what the puzzle will look like by examining each piece. The only way to see whole picture is to put the puzzle together. The entire picture can't be ignored for a few pieces, that by themselves, don't tell the whole story. This case is not going to hinge on a few pieces in court. It's going to hinge on can the defense defeat the entire picture of the put together puzzle by the prosecution. Right now, LE has way more pieces than we do that we can't see. We can't just say there's nothing because we can't see their pieces. We have to trust they know what they are doing and just judge what we do know. And so far, everything that has come out has pointed to Terri being self centered and only caring for herself, willing to end the life of a child to get what she wants. That comes from looking at the whole picture, not just the pieces.

 

[stmarysmead]

It matters NOT what any of us "believe."

I am content to stand with the two people who loved Kyron the most...and align my opinion with what they believe...based on the plethora of information they have received from LE.

That information drove Kaine Horman, who was initially supportive of his wife..into divorce court.

It has driven Desiree to make statements and take actions such as we have seen this weekend.

And if you choose to believe there is "nothing" to their theories...nothing that could result in a charge against Terri...I will quote King Lear.."Nothing can come of nothing."

Why is this top notch attorney telling Terri she must remain silent...even at the cost of what is certainly lost custody of her baby? "Nothing can come of nothing."

I do not believe any Mother with absolute innocence on her side would go to the extreme of forfeiting her child...when, in her heart of hearts, she KNOWS there is no credible evidence of any sort.

And there is a point of diminishing credibility when time after time, everything revealed continues to point one way.

One choice is to believe that Terri is the unluckiest woman on planet Earth.

Somehow no one interacted with Kyron after she left that day to clear her.

Somehow, no one can place her for almost two hours on that Long Ride.

Somehow her darn cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island.

Somehow, she just couldn't get through those Lie Detector tests.

Somehow, a nutty landscaper decided to lie about a MFH plot.

Somehow, filthy sexts got on her phone in just the same period of time...any other HUMAN would be considering that little Kyron could well be undergoing sexual abuse. But she was ready to "rock and roll."

Somehow, the grieving Mother fixates on her for NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.

Somehow, emails stating hatred for a little boy who loved her..were fabricated.

And then, gee, her attorney FORCES her to forfeit her Baby...even though there CANNOT be one piece of credible evidence against her.

So, is she Planet Earth's most Unlucky Woman?

NOTHING CAN COME OF NOTHING. Not at this point in an extremely high profile case.

I'll stand with Kaine and DEsiree and vote.."NO!"

 

[gwenabob]

It matters NOT what any of us "believe."

I am content to stand with the two people who loved Kyron the most...and align my opinion with what they believe...based on the plethora of information they have received from LE.

That information drove Kaine Horman, who was initially supportive of his wife..into divorce court.

It has driven Desiree to make statements and take actions such as we have seen this weekend.

And if you choose to believe there is "nothing" to their theories...nothing that could result in a charge against Terri...I will quote King Lear.."Nothing can come of nothing."

Why is this top notch attorney telling Terri she must remain silent...even at the cost of what is certainly lost custody of her baby? "Nothing can come of nothing."

I do not believe any Mother with absolute innocence on her side would go to the extreme of forfeiting her child...when, in her heart of hearts, she KNOWS there is no credible evidence of any sort.

And there is a point of diminishing credibility when time after time, everything revealed continues to point one way.

One choice is to believe that Terri is the unluckiest woman on planet Earth.

Somehow no one interacted with Kyron after she left that day to clear her.

Somehow, no one can place her for almost two hours on that Long Ride.

Somehow her darn cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island.

Somehow, she just couldn't get through those Lie Detector tests.

Somehow, a nutty landscaper decided to lie about a MFH plot.

Somehow, filthy sexts got on her phone in just the same period of time...any other HUMAN would be considering that little Kyron could well be undergoing sexual abuse. But she was ready to "rock and roll."

Somehow, the grieving Mother fixates on her for NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.

Somehow, emails stating hatred for a little boy who loved her..were fabricated.

And then, gee, her attorney FORCES her to forfeit her Baby...even though there CANNOT be one piece of credible evidence against her.

So, is she Planet Earth's most Unlucky Woman?

NOTHING CAN COME OF NOTHING. Not at this point in an extremely high profile case.

I'll stand with Kaine and DEsiree and vote.."NO!"

EXCELLENT Post!!!! :rocker:

 

[SurfieTX]

Terri met her match. Desiree is a pit bull and will not stop. I applaud her tenacity for justice for Kyron.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Until TH is cleared which could be done by cooperating with LE, I find all this an interesting courageous development.

I'd even :applause: if Desiree had an airplane fly a banner over Roseburg.

ASK TERRY WHERE KYRON IS?

Course I'd never want to encourage such a thing. <g>

I love the airplane banner idea ! :rocker:

I hope Desiree will not limit her flyers and yard signs to Roseburg ...

The next neighborhood Desiree should target is DeDe's stomping grounds !


GO GO GO DESIREEE !!!

:woohoo:

 

[Spookytube]

I believe too TH is a danger to society. I believe DY should cover Roseburg in her pics of Kyron. this just seems so so tragically unfair on so many ends. TY is living it up s0 to say. I also feel that TH may have been in a comfort zone with her parents 200 or so miles away from the eye of the storm so to speak. I believe DY bringing Kyron's face, the news cameras, flyers, etc. in her little comfort zone will make TH nervous. While many of us would be a frantic mess, TH has not been I do not believe. AS DY said, the only time you see TH cringe or show any emotion is when she is questioned. This plan should at the very least have some wierd looks being shot at TH around town. Who knows, may this is the straw that will break the camels (or TH's) back. This is just my opinion of course but go DY!

 

[SurfieTX]

This doesn't sound like an innocent person suffering to me. I realized she must have some kind of life, but going to bars? enjoying the holidays? Would a truly innocent person be able to enjoy themselves and have a life like this? It's like she's already moved on, and Kyron is not on her mind in the least.

It's even harder to think she's innocent at all now, at least to me. The picture of her has always been isolated and alone in her home with no internet or life, someone truly suffering because they are truly innocent. But no, that is not the case at all, and I am truly appalled and sickened.

We've seen in other cases how the guilty party reveals themselves because of how uncaring they are towards the victim. I imagine what Desiree did today was almost a direct result of finding out just how cold and uncaring TH really is. Kaine must be seething with rage too. How dare she have fun and live it up when Kyron is still missing! So much for missing her daughter and being isolated and alone. Terri, you might be silent, but your actions are speaking so much louder than your words ever could!

Opinions? Comments? What does this say about Terri's guilt or innocence? Is your opinon swayed or not by this disturbing news?

BBM: That and she is missing the holidays, a birthday, etc. with her own daughter - footloose and fancy free, apparently.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

It matters NOT what any of us "believe."

I am content to stand with the two people who loved Kyron the most...and align my opinion with what they believe...based on the plethora of information they have received from LE.

That information drove Kaine Horman, who was initially supportive of his wife..into divorce court.

It has driven Desiree to make statements and take actions such as we have seen this weekend.

And if you choose to believe there is "nothing" to their theories...nothing that could result in a charge against Terri...I will quote King Lear.."Nothing can come of nothing."

Why is this top notch attorney telling Terri she must remain silent...even at the cost of what is certainly lost custody of her baby? "Nothing can come of nothing."

I do not believe any Mother with absolute innocence on her side would go to the extreme of forfeiting her child...when, in her heart of hearts, she KNOWS there is no credible evidence of any sort.

And there is a point of diminishing credibility when time after time, everything revealed continues to point one way.

One choice is to believe that Terri is the unluckiest woman on planet Earth.

Somehow no one interacted with Kyron after she left that day to clear her.

Somehow, no one can place her for almost two hours on that Long Ride.

Somehow her darn cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island.

Somehow, she just couldn't get through those Lie Detector tests.

Somehow, a nutty landscaper decided to lie about a MFH plot.

Somehow, filthy sexts got on her phone in just the same period of time...any other HUMAN would be considering that little Kyron could well be undergoing sexual abuse. But she was ready to "rock and roll."

Somehow, the grieving Mother fixates on her for NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.

Somehow, emails stating hatred for a little boy who loved her..were fabricated.

And then, gee, her attorney FORCES her to forfeit her Baby...even though there CANNOT be one piece of credible evidence against her.

So, is she Planet Earth's most Unlucky Woman?

NOTHING CAN COME OF NOTHING. Not at this point in an extremely high profile case.

I'll stand with Kaine and DEsiree and vote.."NO!"

:goodpost:

 

[Shadowboy]

But you're clearly claiming the "facts" driving the theory in part are actually ones which you don't even know exist. You "believe" they exist but you don't even know what they are. How can you say you're building a theory on unknown facts which may not even exist?

Again, looking at Terri's "behavior" could easily make you think she is guilty without there being one shred of actual evidence.

(respectfully snipped for length)

This is likely OT on this thread, but since there have been a couple of back-and-forths, I&#8217;ll risk Kimster's wrath.

Let&#8217;s face it, we don&#8217;t know many &#8220;facts&#8221; about this case, at least not many attributable to LE. Let&#8217;s discount TH&#8217;s reported behavior and analytics about that behavior. Let&#8217;s look at what we DO know, either through LE or through KH and DY.

TH was the last person to see Ky
TH can not fully account for her &#8220;whereabouts&#8221; on the day Ky disappeared
TH expressed in emails to several people how much she hated Ky and blamed him for her failing marriage
TH tried to get Ky out of her life by removing him to DY&#8217;s home, but failed
TH ignored the restrictions of the RO and showed its contents to someone other than her lawyer
As to the MFH: In the first of three 911 calls on the night of the &#8220;sting,&#8221; TH reported the LS&#8217;s truck in her driveway as a &#8216;threat&#8217; (why did she consider the mere sight of the truck a threat?)
TH felt the need to have several friends buy BAT phones, some purchased under phony names
TH hired the best CRIMINAL defense lawyer in the PDX area

IMO, these are not totally damning, but several of these facts do speak to motive and means. And they help explain why she remains &#8220;the focus of the investigation.&#8221; IMO, of course.

 

[LadyL]

it doesn't surprise me

I guess I kinda just assumed she was out partying (b/c she's a monster IMO)

the handing out candy doesn't bother me though (well, except for the part where I think she's capable of poisoning it) but as far as living a normal life, I know I've forced myself to do things like that when I was grieving the loss of my daughter just to try & be normal even though I felt like I was dying inside

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO the point of this latest flyer campaign in TH's backyard is to make TH's life miserable. R-burg is small. Not much media to snoop/report on TH and a whole raft of people who "know" TH as a hometown girl. DY is introducing a great big elephant into the very small room of Roseburg. It probably won't make TH talk ... but she might not find life so cozy.

It's also meant to make her family's life miserable, IMO.
If her son has moved back in with her @ her parents, ... then he's a target too.

I wonder how it's playing in Roseburg? Any locals hear anything?

 

[Aedrys]

it doesn't surprise me

I guess I kinda just assumed she was out partying (b/c she's a monster IMO)

the handing out candy doesn't bother me though (well, except for the part where I think she's capable of poisoning it) but as far as living a normal life, I know I've forced myself to do things like that when I was grieving the loss of my daughter just to try & be normal even though I felt like I was dying inside

Yes, but you were actually grieving. I don't think TH is grieving at the loss of Kyron here at all. What she's doing isn't normal for someone who is supposedly innocent of a crime. It reeks of someone who thinks she's getting away with this, moving on, and doesn't care one whit about Kyron. It's cold and montrous of her to do. She's not dying inside at all, and that is what really bothers me. I guess I've been trying to see humanity in her, but there's none there and information like what Desiree said on GMA just confirms that for me.

 

[gwenabob]

Sorry about the loss of your daughter. That is very sad.

Regarding Terri living a normal life, there is a difference between putting one foot over the other just getting by day by day to go to work, groom yourself and cook meals. It is quite another to go out drinking at the bar and pass out Halloween candy. Neither of those are necessities a grieving parent needs to do in order to get by. For heaven's sakes, there were three other people in that household who could have passed out candy.

And for someone who is being accused in the press of being an active alcoholic, maybe she should do some damage control and not drink at all for now, or at the very least, drink at home, out of the public's eye.

 

[LadyL]

ITA with you both. I don't want it to seem like I feel any sympathy for TH b/c I do not. I think she's a murderer to put it bluntly. I'm just not as appalled by this news as I would've been in the beginning b/c well, we've seen so much of her horrible behaviour already.