2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[LadyL]

I do want to add that I admire and applaud Desiree and I hope she continues to receive support from the public in her quest for justice.

 

[tlcya]

One more thought I was noodling...

One can understand how upsetting/concerning it is to Desiree that Terri lives in the comfort of her parent's home while refusing to help with regard to Kyron. I know I'd be upset about that every single day - not just the holidays - and I think Desiree is.

IMO, there's something else to this comment about holidays ...

If Terri's living with her parents during the holidays, wouldn't it only be logical that she participated in the holidays with them?

IMO, I'm wondering if that Halloween & Holidays comment was a not-so-subtle jab to a very specific audience. To wit - Terri's family.

In the past, Desiree (and, IIRC, Kaine) have reached out to Terri's family - tried to reason with them, to say they should know better, to suggest they should not be supportive of Terri at this time, and should ask her all the hard questions and get her to tell them everything she knows, and then that they should report what they have learned. IMO, it infuriates Desiree that Terri's family stands behind Terri.

As for the "out at bars" comment - similar thoughts. It's very concerning that every day that Terri is free she can and does choose to go about doing things like everything is normal while not helping to bring Kyron home. Every day and every thing she does. Not just the days she goes to bars.

But again - if you look at the bar comment it from the point of view of Desiree's indictment of Terri's family, IMO, I can hear Desiree saying that even though her family knows she has a drinking problem, they turn a blind-eye to Terri going to bars.

What else are Terri's parents turning a blind eye to?

That Desiree. She goes where so many would not dare to go. Attacking not only Terri, but Terri's family, right in their own front yard. And all for Kyron. Good on her. I just wish it would work.

PRESSssssshhhhhh-URE ON!

I could be wrong here, on Desiree's messaging. But I don't think so.

As usual, I agree with your spot on post as to the messaging behind Desiree's comments. The holidays/Holoween comments are meant to remind TH's folks that while they are enjoying these things with their daughter, safe in the knowledge that she is alive and well, Desiree and Kaine are robbed of that with Kyron.

As to the partying in bars, again, you are on the money, the message is, your daughter has an issue with alchohol and yet you have no issue with her being out in the bars? Hmmm. Perhaps you folks should re-evaluate, step back and take an objective look at your DD.

 

[Peliman]

I love the airplane banner idea ! :rocker:

I hope Desiree will not limit her flyers and yard signs to Roseburg ...

The next neighborhood Desiree should target is DeDe's stomping grounds !


GO GO GO DESIREEE !!!

:woohoo:

Thanks, for a long time I've loved the idea to reawaken memories and interest lost over time. I spelled Terri's name wrong though. In my spelling defense my 1st serious girlfriend spelled her name Terry.

I'm all for tactics designed to put pressure on those whom refuse to clear themselves regarding missing children. It's an interesting tactic and I'm sure Desiree has weighed the risk.

 

[purple turtle]

Desiree is taking her power back.

GO DESIREE!!!! GO!!!! :rocker::cheer::woot:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said."

GMA this morning
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936

The part about "going into "bars" does not surprise me ... it was reported in the MSM that Terrie had a DUI.

:waitasec:

But handing out Halloween candy to children ?

NOT a good idea ...

 

[Aedrys]

ITA with you both. I don't want it to seem like I feel any sympathy for TH b/c I do not. I think she's a murderer to put it bluntly. I'm just not as appalled by this news as I would've been in the beginning b/c well, we've seen so much of her horrible behaviour already.

Gotcha. I am so sorry for your loss as well. Hugs and love to you.

I guess following the Casey Anthony case has made me bitter against anyone that parties while a child is missing. Casey did so for 31 days, not telling anyone anything was wrong. I guess I was hoping TH wasn't as bad as Casey, but it's apparent that she is. I didn't think anyone could be as bad as Casey. I didn't want TH to be, honestly. I am just irate that she's just hunky dory, nothing's wrong, let me get my life back on while Kyron is still missing. That is just wrong on so many levels to me. Where is the outrage of her being accused? Where is the suffering because she's innocent?

 

[PoppyH]

Im glad to see Desiree is putting the pressure on, sadley I don't think its gonna work, bless thier hearts, so Terri.......... Where IS Kyron????????????

 

[Adrienne37]

You'd think she'd be grieving over the loss of baby K but we obviously know where her priorities are.


~jmo~

 

[scandi]

It matters NOT what any of us "believe."

I am content to stand with the two people who loved Kyron the most...and align my opinion with what they believe...based on the plethora of information they have received from LE.

That information drove Kaine Horman, who was initially supportive of his wife..into divorce court.

It has driven Desiree to make statements and take actions such as we have seen this weekend.

And if you choose to believe there is "nothing" to their theories...nothing that could result in a charge against Terri...I will quote King Lear.."Nothing can come of nothing."

Why is this top notch attorney telling Terri she must remain silent...even at the cost of what is certainly lost custody of her baby? "Nothing can come of nothing."

I do not believe any Mother with absolute innocence on her side would go to the extreme of forfeiting her child...when, in her heart of hearts, she KNOWS there is no credible evidence of any sort.

And there is a point of diminishing credibility when time after time, everything revealed continues to point one way.

One choice is to believe that Terri is the unluckiest woman on planet Earth.

Somehow no one interacted with Kyron after she left that day to clear her.

Somehow, no one can place her for almost two hours on that Long Ride.

Somehow her darn cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island.

Somehow, she just couldn't get through those Lie Detector tests.

Somehow, a nutty landscaper decided to lie about a MFH plot.

Somehow, filthy sexts got on her phone in just the same period of time...any other HUMAN would be considering that little Kyron could well be undergoing sexual abuse. But she was ready to "rock and roll."

Somehow, the grieving Mother fixates on her for NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.

Somehow, emails stating hatred for a little boy who loved her..were fabricated.

And then, gee, her attorney FORCES her to forfeit her Baby...even though there CANNOT be one piece of credible evidence against her.

So, is she Planet Earth's most Unlucky Woman?

NOTHING CAN COME OF NOTHING. Not at this point in an extremely high profile case.

I'll stand with Kaine and DEsiree and vote.."NO!"

I so agree with Gwenabob, Stmary'smead, an outstanding post. It's probably one of the most poignant posts made in this case IMO. Thank you.

I stand on my deck and look out at the Skyline hills in the distance. It makes me ill to know Kyron is probably buried out there in that sea of trees.

It makes me admire Desiree so much for having the guts to call TH out with her question ~ 'WHERE IS KYRON'. Add up all of Mary's points with what we don't know that LE does, and it has to be said by Desiree with great reason.

The world wants Kyron back home now. Like Shane Bishop, producer of Dateline, said in his comments about the show on Brooke Wilberger:

"When I first came across this story, I thought to myself: From my home in Oregon, I watched it unfold from the day Brooke was abducted in May 2004. It was as if the quality of the air changed in the entire state: each Oregonian holding his or her breath, hoping Brooke would be found. The only other time I've felt this was when little Kyron Hormon disappeared in June 2010."

xox


http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/04/5990929-10-questions-for-bringing-brooke-home-producer

 

[Aedrys]

Yeah, her priority is covering herself and getting her life back without her daughter in it. I feel so bad for baby K right now. She's going to read about this someday and wonder why her own mother could live comfortably without her. I would think even if she didn't care about Kyron, she would at least love her own flesh and blood and she doesn't. Anyone who can give up their child to cover themselves from a crime and then move on like it's no big deal is just reprehensible to me. I wonder just how J is faring, if she's giving him any attention or just living like everything is okay and that confuses him.

 

[Kimster]

I so agree with Gwenabob, Stmary'smead, an outstanding post. It's probably one of the most poignant posts made in this case IMO. Thank you.

I stand on my deck and look out at the Skyline hills in the distance. It makes me ill to know Kyron is probably buried out there in that sea of trees.

It makes me admire Desiree so much for having the guts to call TH out with her question ~ 'WHERE IS KYRON'. Add up all of Mary's points with what we don't know that LE does, and it has to be said by Desiree with great reason.

The world wants Kyron back home now. Like Shane Bishop, producer of Dateline, said in his comments about the show on Brooke Wilberger:

"When I first came across this story, I thought to myself: From my home in Oregon, I watched it unfold from the day Brooke was abducted in May 2004. It was as if the quality of the air changed in the entire state: each Oregonian holding his or her breath, hoping Brooke would be found. The only other time I've felt this was when little Kyron Hormon disappeared in June 2010."

xox


http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/04/5990929-10-questions-for-bringing-brooke-home-producer

:blowkiss:Thank you Scandi! That's how we feel here in the Eugene area as we look north. :rose:




Where is Kyron?

 

[Chablis]

Yeah, her priority is covering herself and getting her life back without her daughter in it. I feel so bad for baby K right now. She's going to read about this someday and wonder why her own mother could live comfortably without her. I would think even if she didn't care about Kyron, she would at least love her own flesh and blood and she doesn't. Anyone who can give up their child to cover themselves from a crime and then move on like it's no big deal is just reprehensible to me. I wonder just how J is faring, if she's giving him any attention or just living like everything is okay and that confuses him.

I think that the State needs to look at the dads of her other son and should question why they are chancing letting their son be with Terri. I mean what good parent could take the risk of leaving their kid with Terri, but realistically those guys probably dont even want to deal with Terri, but she should not be able to be around children.

 

[gitana1]

More hatred being stirred up against TH, or re-newed hatred, whatever the case may be...none of it will make her more likely to decide suddenly to confess. If this makes Desiree feel even a little bit better, than she should go for it. But I hope she does not really think that Terri will answer the question "Where is Kyron?".

Well, I don't know if she's stirring up "hatred". To me it's coming more from a place of resolve, determination and a commitment to ferreting out the truth. Asking people to hold a person accountable who has acted more than shady is not inflaming hatred, IMO, it's fighting for what's right. But, yeah, TH seems like a tough nut to crack.

Nevertheless, we have all heard of cases where a suspect slips and reveals something to someone or reveals something via their behavior and thus helps crack the case. Profilers know this and use psychology to put pressure on suspects to cause exactly that to happen. Will it happen in this case? I don't think it's too likely but you never know and poor DY probably feels she's running out of options.

A friend of mine asked me this morning if they ever found the kid - the kid being Kyron of course. I explained that no, they didn't, and it looks like until they do, they likely won't have enough to try for a conviction. So, the "kid's" mom is desperate and has mounted a campaign in the step-mom's neighborhood, putting up flyers and lawn signs and imploring people to ask this woman, "What have you done with Desiree's son?"

I follow these cases and sleuth and ponder and go round' and round'. But sometimes I don't feel the total impact of them until I talk about the case out loud. Can you imagine: "What did you do with my son?" What a lonely, agonized feeling that must be. "Where's my son?" Bless her heart.

 

[Shadowboy]

IMO, TH is not a threat to Trick-or-Treaters. (Unless they get between TH and her NutterButters.

You might want to protect your lesson plans and lesson materials if she sub-teaches in your classroom; you might want to protect your books if you offer her a home and the books/bookcases get in her way.
(Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions. Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM Updated: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:41 PM; Lynne Terry, The Oregonian)

You might want to protect your life and your son if she decides they, too, prove a nuisance.

IMO, DY’s foray into Moulton-ville was designed to knock a few TH hometown supporters off the fence. Here is TH, apparently (according to DY on GMA 7-20-11) going to bars, handing out Halloween treats. Okay. She’s in her parents’ home; no harm handing out treats. No harm, in fact, visiting a bar once in a while.

The harm is this: She’s living in a cocoon, protected by her parents and by people who knew her in the way back machine. (The last Dateline featured one supporter, a guy who knew her during high school, as I recall.)

Here’s a glimpse re: how TH and her family are seen in Roseburg: (Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions. Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM Updated: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:41 PM; Lynne Terry, The Oregonian)

“At Roseburg High, she excelled in sports, joining the basketball and track teams. Brad Mastrud, head track coach at the time, said she was a dedicated athlete. "Her father was constantly working with her," Mastrud said. "He loved track. He was a track junkie."

Larry Moulton helped at track meets, firing the starting gun at running events at Roseburg High as recently as this past spring.

Horman threw shot put, but her best event was discus. In May 1988 during her senior year, she was a contender at the state track championships but, in the end, did not place.

That year Horman met Ecker at a Fred Meyer store in Roseburg where he worked. They dated for a few months but then became friends, with Horman sharing confidences with him.

"I was a good stabilizing force in her life," Ecker said.”

(Whoa. Wait. I just caught this: "I was a good stabilizing force in her life," Ecker said.” Was she, at the time, de-stabilized? This is long before she married him, convinced him to pay for her education and adopt her son; then, legally, held him accountable for child support. Okay, hum. Moving on. Probably covered previously on WS.)

Back to DY and Roseburg:

DY’s visit to Roseburg allowed the locals to see the difference between a hometown family “being unfairly attacked by PDX/national media” … and a mother truly grieving for her son. IMO.

(Still caught up in Ecker’s “stabilizing” comment, however … can anyone direct me an appropriate thread?)

 

[scandi]

Thanks for the thread Aedrys.

One thing I'm wondering is if TH is really a danger to society/the community, assuming she is guilty. I haven't thought it thru all the way yet. Usually when a murder is thought to be familial, LE doesn't put out a danger alert there is a killer on the loose. In fact in Kyron's case LE put the community at ease almost right away in that respect.

Maybe a familial killer would strike again if she was pushed by circumstances. I don't know.

Then, some profilers like Pat Brown think TH is psychotic. Not all killers are, even if they plan the murder, right?

I hope this isn't OT, and believe me I'm not standing in her corner !!! I think she is on the top of LE's list for initiating Kyron's disappearance. Her demeanor is nauseating, going around as hot as ice is cold like we saw her when she went to court.

Does that mean we should fear for our lives and that of our children? To me that would be a danger to the community, eh?

 

[kappy50]

Oh my just catching up...Gosh, TH gave out Halloween Candy and went to Bars, and had a wonderful Christmas...My goodness... are their pictures of this...? Or something that substanciates this...I sure hope so....If so, gosh, I am so, pizzed off...if so I am on the barbed wire side of the fence....darn her...

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm not sure if Terri would be considered a danger to the community. If she killed Kyron because she wanted to get rid of him, does that mean she's likely to just kidnap some kid riding their bike to murder them? They seem like two different crimes that would be committed by two different types of murderers.

 

[Chablis]

I'm not sure if Terri would be considered a danger to the community. If she killed Kyron because she wanted to get rid of him, does that mean she's likely to just kidnap some kid riding their bike to murder them? They seem like two different crimes that would be committed by two different types of murderers.

Anyone capable of killing anyone is a danger to the community.:waitasec:

 

[LadyL]

hey Shadowboy: good catch on the 'stabilizing' comment

I can't remember if there ever was an explanation for that ...

yeah, we need the context for sure

 

[Jo in Calif]

Oh my just catching up...Gosh, TH gave out Halloween Candy and went to Bars, and had a wonderful Christmas...My goodness... are their pictures of this...? Or something that substanciates this...I sure hope so....If so, gosh, I am so, pizzed off...if so I am on the barbed wire side of the fence....darn her...

"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said.
And you can bet that Desiree is pissed off, because in the context that she said this is because,
Her son will more than likely never have, Halloween candy passed out to him again.
He will more than likely not grow up to be able to go to a bar and party with his friends.
He will more than likely never enjoy another holiday with his family.
The person that is doing these things, is the person, that Desiree so firmly believes, is the cause of her son not being here to ever do these things.