2011.03.02 Cindy Anthony's Testimony

[Melanie]

I hear ya! This complaint about Yuri sounding intimidating coming from the very woman whose first reaction to hearing that Casey had not seen Caylee in 31 days was to beat her fists on either side of Casey and yell, "What did you do?!"

When I heard Cindy moan about the DA's tone to the judge, and how YM was "intimidating", all I could think about was her threat message to Tim Miller.

Cindy could give classes in intimidation. She is certainly the best at it.

MOO

Mel

 

[ZsaZsa]

IMO, they should be allowed in the Courtroom whenever they are "allowed" to be there - they are testifying so it limits their time in the courtroom; however, their daughter is on trial for her life and they have every right to be there.

I realize this is a Board for Caylee and I am for Caylee, but the defendant has rights and so does her family and I am 100% for their getting all of them. This is what this country stands for. Just sayin!

Her family lost their rights when they started lying, aiding and abetting and covering up the murder. They would use their time in the Court to manufacture more lies.
Had they behaved in a reputable way. as normal grieving family members, this question would not even arise.

 

[Solace]

Her family lost their rights when they started lying, aiding and abetting and covering up the murder. They would use their time in the Court to manufacture more lies.
Had they behaved in a reputable way. as normal grieving family members, this question would not even arise.

Not as far as His Honor Belvin Perry is concerned; they still have their rights, and he is going to make sure they all have their rights, especially the defendant.

 

[Melanie]

with all due respect CA... YOUR FREAKING GRAND-DAUGHTER WAS MISSING
there was a small child MISSING, a car that stank like death, your daughter was acting like a female body part that starts with a C.
HOW EXACTLY DID YOU EXPECT THE POLICE TO ACT???
if KC were MY child & Caylee were MY grandchild, i would've strangled the b*tch. i would've smacked the bejesus out of her until she told me the truth THAT NIGHT

gahhhhhhh i'm so sick of the anthony's. if i didn't just drop $2k on that fancy 50 some inch flat screen my kids HAD to have, i would've put a chair thru my tv after having to watch them on it today

Most excellent. Cindy reminded me of Billie Jean Dunn when she said "she hadn't had a chance to really talk to ICA". She had at least an hour -- what were they talking about during that time? Baseball?

Casey was in that home for many hours and yet they never talked, the parents never asked. Were they that afraid of ICA? I would have tackled the *&%$# and she'd come up without a stitch of hair unless she answered that one simple question. Where is Caylee! Or for Billie Jean Dunn, where is Hailey.

:waitasec:

Mel

 

[Gma Kat]

I am curious how many of the inconsistencies and lies on CA's part will come out at trial.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I tend to want CA and GA in the courtroom the ENTIRE trial....hopefully their eyes would be opened to the truth then. But then I snap back to reality and know that they will never, never believe their daughter is a murderer. So what does it matter. They are going to lie no matter what, no matter where. Sitting in the courtroom won't change that fact.

 

[Solace]

I tend to want CA and GA in the courtroom the ENTIRE trial....hopefully their eyes would be opened to the truth then. But then I snap back to reality and know that they will never, never believe their daughter is a murderer. So what does it matter. They are going to lie no matter what, no matter where. Sitting in the courtroom won't change that fact.

When George was lying ad nauseum at the Morgan lawfirm during his deposition; FINALLY, his statements to LE were brought to his attention (towards the end of the depositon) and he admitted he had said certain things. This is why I want them there and they are going to be directly questioned and their prior testimony to detectives will be scrutinized.

LDB basically proves CA was lying regarding Yuri's questioning and his being "intimidating". LDB asks CA if she knew it was recorded and CA says no.

This is the kind of thing I want to see brought out -so I want them in the courtroom; On the stand they will have to tell the truth because LDB will make sure they do. She has the proof.

So far, in their interviews with LKL and all the rest, they have lied and were not brought to task because they stations all wanted the interviews. No so with LDB, she wants the truth.

 

[Solace]

I am curious how many of the inconsistencies and lies on CA's part will come out at trial.

I am hoping all will.

 

[logicalgirl]

I am curious how many of the inconsistencies and lies on CA's part will come out at trial.

Unfortunately I don't think many of them will unless they conflict with the testimony the SA needs. I don't think either CA or GA will be big players in this trial and the inconsistencies/lies from CA didn't really impede the investigation, even though it irritated the blank out of us.

Much of the evidence and testimony that will convict ICA IMO has little or nothing to do with either CA or GA.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

When George was lying ad nauseum at the Morgan lawfirm during his deposition; FINALLY, his statements to LE were brought to his attention (towards the end of the depositon) and he admitted he had said certain things. This is why I want them there and they are going to be directly questioned and their prior testimony to detectives will be scrutinized.

LDB basically proves CA was lying regarding Yuri's questioning and his being "intimidating". LDB asks CA if she knew it was recorded and CA says no.

This is the kind of thing I want to see brought out -so I want them in the courtroom; On the stand they will have to tell the truth because LDB will make sure they do. She has the proof.

So far, in their interviews with LKL and all the rest, they have lied and were not brought to task because they stations all wanted the interviews. No so with LDB, she wants the truth.

BBM -- I'm sorry to go a little off topic but, I'm confused about this. Is the interview YM had with KC at the home the night of July 15 (ok early morning hours of July 16, actually), not the same interview we've already heard which was released 2 years ago? ([ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw[/ame]) Or is there some other recording we have NOT heard? Because if it's the one I'm thinking of, for God's sake, how can she NOT know it was recorded?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Not as far as His Honor Belvin Perry is concerned; they still have their rights, and he is going to make sure they all have their rights, especially the defendant.

They already tried to assert their 'right' to be there throughout and HHJP sequestered them.

 

[Solace]

They already tried to assert their 'right' to be there throughout and HHJP sequestered them.

Oh Zsa Zsa, he is doing that because they are witnesses - certainly not to take away their rights.

 

[Solace]

BBM -- I'm sorry to go a little off topic but, I'm confused about this. Is the interview YM had with KC at the home the night of July 15 (ok early morning hours of July 16, actually), not the same interview we've already heard which was released 2 years ago? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw) Or is there some other recording we have NOT heard? Because if it's the one I'm thinking of, for God's sake, how can she NOT know it was recorded?

She knew it was being recorded. Melich tells her that at the beginning of the interview.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

She knew it was being recorded. Melich tells her that at the beginning of the interview.

Casey did, yes, but we were talking about Cindy, didn't Cindy say she didn't know it was recorded?

 

[Solace]

Casey did, yes, but we were talking about Cindy, didn't Cindy say she didn't know it was recorded?

Yes. She does. Which I do not believe. But if she did not know it was being recorded and said he was intimidating, Judge Perry will listen to it, and know that he can take what CA says with a huge grain of salt, because the man was soft spoken to KC. He was never intimidating.

However, in the second interview he raised his voice out of frustration. :seeya:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I just would like for everyone to think about this for one moment...

We need to remember that this trial is about Casey Marie Anthony murdering Caylee Marie Anthony. Not Cindy Anthony... Not George Anthony. I think it is extremely unfair to Caylee for a jury to be distracted by the Anthony's behavior... I believe 100% that the jury is going to know all they need to know about Cindy and George Anthony from their testimony on that stand. They don't need the added drama that the Anthony's bring to the courtroom as spectators. We don't need them to be distracted by the Anthony's during what could be important testimony by other witnesses. They also do not need to be unfairly influenced (negative or positive) by the Anthony's reaction to testimony given by other witnesses.

It is also extremely unfair to other witnesses. I watched George Anthony staring Yuri Melich down as he gave his testimony (day 2 I believe). I think he truely believed that his presense in that courtroom would be intimidating to Yuri Melich. Now, Yuri Melich is a seasoned detective... he isn't intimidated easily... but just look at that poor young deputy on the stand? He was a nervous wreck!! We all felt horrible for this young man... and he is a deputy!! Just imagine all of Casey's former friends? They are still all very young people in their early-mid 20's. Do you think that they could handle themselves as well as Yuri Melich on that stand as George's face gets red, Cindy throws her arms up in the air, both furiously shaking their heads? Think of that young deputy and then imagine how much harder it is going to be for Casey's former friends? They don't need to be distracted or intimidated by the Anthony's behavior while they are giving their testimony. They need to be calm and stay focused. I think that having George and Cindy in that courtroom will do nothing but make them nervous and unfocused. Questions to all of them about the parents of Casey Anthony are going to come up... it's a natural insitinct to look towards the people they are answering questions about. It will just be unfair.

I want the juries minds to be on Caylee. What Caylee went through. What Casey did to Caylee. Their focus needs to be on Casey in that courtroom. Her reactions, her behavior or non-behavior. Not Cindy's. Not George's.

Also, if you think that Cindy and George are going to sit in on the entire trial and listen to what Caylee went through... in the trunk of Casey's car... in the woods off Suburban Drive... I think you are going to be extremely disappointed. Cindy and George are not going to sit through any evidence that points directly to Casey murdering Caylee. They are not going to sit through evidence of what Caylee went through. They do not want to hear... they will not hear it... and they will again, turn their backs on Caylee by leaving that courtroom when the time comes for them to hear what happened to Caylee. They are not there for Caylee... they are not there to hear the truth about Caylee... they are there to cause distraction... to take the focus off of Caylee and put it on themselves. To take the focus off of Casey and put it on themselves.

It is my opinion that nothing good will come out of them being in that courtroom for the entire trial. Nothing.

 

[LambChop]

I think the judge has already made his position clear on the A's. It will be done on a hearing-by-hearing basis and that will determine his decision at trial. During these last 4 hearings the A's did not do so well. Their rights are determined by their behavior. It's a court of law. When you do something wrong you have your day in court and you receive your punishment. The A's are not on trial but their behavior is certainly being observed during these hearings and in the end it will be the A's who are responsible for whether or not they get to stay during the trial.

Think about just CA's behavior in the past. Jumping up and running out of the courtroom when JA was describing how SA believes Caylee died. Confronting a State Attorney in open court. CA can't handle the truth and HHJB knows that. They concentrate solely on getting their little zings into the court record, i.e. GA telling LDB, "You opened the door."

So maybe it would be better to be in a little room with their support group, including JL and they can vent all they want. They will only end up getting thrown out because they can't keep from reacting. And there is nothing wrong with it, it's normal. Just not for any courtroom much less one that is being televised. And not good when the jury might take your reactions to certain evidence/testimony as offensive and hurt the defendant. Defendant's rights are more important. And I honestly don't think KC wants her parents there. jmo

Also: I personally think the A's think if they can get enough sympathy from the jurors that they've lost a granddaughter and now stand to lose their daughter that the jury will feel sorry for them and let KC go home. Not realistic, but neither is much of the A's thinking.

 

[jennyb]

IMO, they should be allowed in the Courtroom whenever they are "allowed" to be there - they are testifying so it limits their time in the courtroom; however, their daughter is on trial for her life and they have every right to be there.

I realize this is a Board for Caylee and I am for Caylee, but the defendant has rights and so does her family and I am 100% for their getting all of them. This is what this country stands for. Just sayin!

IMO they're much more than your garden-variety parents of a person on trial. They're pivotal witnesses who have shown no compunction about telling mis-truths, half-truths, well heck, lies. They have proven themselves time and again to be untrustworthy and have also shown they cannot keep themselves composed in the courtroom.

IMO there's no reason to treat them as a special entity, no other witnesses will be allowed in the courtroom unless they're testifying. I think they should be held to the same standard and rules as any other witness, their relationship to the accused notwithstanding.

Anyway, it's up to the Judge.

 

[jennyb]

Keeping them out may have more to do with KC's rights than with their's if that is what the judge decides to do. Their reactions in court, while we understand them, are inappropriate for a courtroom setting. It will have been almost three years when the trial starts and CA still can't stand to hear that the trunk of the car smelled like a dead body and her reaction is quite animated. The judge just cannot allow this type of a reaction in the courtroom. It's disruptive and will do KC no good in the long run.

Their motives for being there are selfish and have nothing to do with Caylee and they have indicated they will do anything they can to disrupt the courtroom. How many times have they been told no gum? Chomp, chomp, chomp. They do not respect authority. Not good when a judge has to tell you to "be silent" while you are testifying. lol But that is just my opinion. I know what you are saying and under normal circumstances this would be true. But there is no measuring device I am aware of that can measure what could be preceived as "normal" for the A's.

IMO the jury will probably divide their attention between the witness and the A's acting out in the peanut gallery. Witness to A's reaction. Witness to A's reaction. The A's will probably fascinate them. You just can't look away.

I so agree with you! Not in the best interests of Casey.

One thing I think could be in Casey's best interests is that if the A's are kept out of the courtroom for the duration they MIGHT have an impact when it comes to pleading for her life after the verdict. The jury might not be completely sick and disgusted by them (familiarity breeds contempt), might have forgotten their demeanor on the stand, and MIGHT vote to spare her life based on some sympathy for the family. I don't think this is a huge consideration because some crimes are so heinous (like this one) it doesn't matter what the family wants.

But there's a smidgen of a chance if they stay out of the jury's way, come penalty phase they might just prevail.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I think Judge Perry just may give them a chance to attend the trial after their testimony is complete. BUT... they will get one chance, and one chance only to misbehave. Maybe they will get one warning first. Behave or leave. Cindy might make it through, but I have doubts about George.