2011.03.17 - Billie Dunn was arrested, Thread #3

[Melanie]

Billie: "If I don't answer his calls, he'll just come over... for a little while, and that's kind of what was going on the other day".

They act like a couple of sixth graders. So Shawn came over for a "little while" so they could talk a "little bit"??

GAHHHHHH! I am never going to use the word "little" again. I won't be able to do so without thinking of BJD.

So so frustrating!

Mel

 

[Donjeta]

Aren't there any fingerprints on the child devices?

It is possible whoever used them always wore gloves when handling them but if they left them lying about for the police to find knowing there would be bound to be searches with a kid missing and all, I'm not so sure they would have taken any other precautions.

 

[LisaB]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

John Young, says like others he thinks Dunn should have sought legal council a long time ago. Not because he thinks she's been unfairly represented, but because he says she was greatly unprepared for all the attention she's been getting.
(snip)
There were reports Dunn was no longer speaking to the media. Young cleared that up saying she will continue doing interviews, but only if her legal council is also there.
(And, yes,I realize "Acknowlodges" is mis-spelled. It's like that in the article)
(eta also "Clients")

 

[TxLady2]

It does not matter if they ended up arresting him or not, they had a WARRANT
to search him. She LIED to LE and denied that he was there. That is against the law and an 'arrestable' offense, no matter what happens to Shawn at the time.

For all we know the reason he wasn't arrested was because she lied and gave him a chance to dispose of the evidence they had the warrant for. I(n that case she did in fact hinder an apprehension.

Apprehension is the arrest of someone, not something. If they did not have an arrest warrant, then she could not have hindered an apprehension.
And if he was there, she could not have hindered them from executing a search warrant for his body. If he wasn't there, then she didn't lie to them.
It might make a big difference in a court of law.

 

[TxLady2]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

So, did they purposefully wait for several hours after she lied to come and arrest her after eight o'clock or did they simply arrest her when they happened to notice that she had lied to them and possessed illegal prescriptions?

In the latter case IMO he should advise his client to only lie to the cops and have illegal prescriptions in her possession early in the day Monday to Friday when the judge is present, not in the evening and not at weekends.

Classic deflection, yeah, my client lied to the police but never mind THAT, the cops arrested her in the EVENING....

Like tons of people don't get arrested in the evening or even after midnight.
Sigh.

In the pictures of LE there and Billie in handcuffs, it's still daylight outside. She may not have been booked until 8 p.m. but she was arrested before then, because it's dark by 8 p.m. this time of year. Or maybe they stuck her in an interrogation room, but didn't begin the questioning until 8 p.m.
IDK, but I do believe she was taken to jail well before that time.

 

[coopzoo]

Oh good grief. Snipped from the ktxs article:

...Mitchell County Sheriff Partick Toombs says Adkins and Dunn were spotted together over the weekend. However Young says any further discussion about this or the three misdemeanor charges Dunn faces is unrelated to the case of Dunn's missing daughter Hailey.

BBM
Really, Mr. Young? She is fraternizing with and lying for the only named suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, Hailey. It is absolutely related, IMO. :banghead:

...and this gem:

"I think it was not a mistake...that Ms. Dunn was arrested after eight when there was not a judge to magistrate her... She was unable to get a bond so they were able to chat with her a while whether she wanted to or not."

So LE knew she was going to lie to them about SA's whereabouts? They planned (ahead of time) on taking her in? Come to think of it, they probably DID know she would lie, based on her behavior thus far.

Regardless, I say good on them for hopefully getting some answers during that "difficult" interrogation. At the very least, they rattled her... :rocker:

 

[ThoughtFox]

She needs to be on the news. Her daughter is missing. It is good he likes to talk for Hailey's sake. I hope he hires a PI. Tomorrow. Or right now even.

I know that it's often hard to separate who represents Hailey in this case, but actually if it ever comes to trial, the Prosecutors will represent the victim ~ and by that I mean Hailey, not perpetual-victim BD.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Apprehension is the arrest of someone, not something. If they did not have an arrest warrant, then she could not have hindered an apprehension.
And if he was there, she could not have hindered them from executing a search warrant for his body. If he wasn't there, then she didn't lie to them.
It might make a big difference in a court of law.

Yes, indeed, lying always makes a big difference to a court of law.

I disagree with your "if-then" statements though, because you seem to be implying that it would be okay to lie about Shawn's whereabouts to the police for any reason. That type of rationalization isn't going to help BD or her attorney, although they are spinning just by saying the police didn't have a warrant for his arrest when that makes no difference at all since they had a search warrant for his body (confirmed by the judge who issued it).

A lie is a lie, and two wrongs don't make a right. :banghead:

 

[Soulmagent]

He can only have one client and that client it appears, is Billie Dunn. He can't represent Hailey because there may be Conflict of Interest. If Billie Dunn knows, participated in or played any part through other 3rd parties in Hailey's disappearance it is a major conflict.

Billie Dunn is a POI in the disappearance of her daughter. That means that she has not been cleared.

Could he hire a PI for Hailey if HIS client requested?

It does not matter if they ended up arresting him or not, they had a WARRANT
to search him. She LIED to LE and denied that he was there. That is against the law and an 'arrestable' offense, no matter what happens to Shawn at the time.

For all we know the reason he wasn't arrested was because she lied and gave him a chance to dispose of the evidence they had the warrant for. I(n that case she did in fact hinder an apprehension.

The charge reflects she hindered an apprehension. They would have had to have a warrant for his arrest for her to have hindered that. The lie is a different charge. They cannot try their case on "what if such and such happened" If they did attempted murder would not be a part of our legal system.

In the case of the hindering charge it does matter if they had warrent for his person or his arrest. Courts go by the law. It will come down to what that warrant was for and if he was just being served a warrant verses being picked up on one. The court date will decide if the charge was just.IMO

I dont know for sure that is her charge or not, I guess they can update it to cover hindering the investigation(which might be what the charge already is I am not sure) I also dont know that statue but whatever that says will decide if the warrant being served was covered under that statue.
I dont know anything for sure but I suspect this is where Mr. Young is taking this specific charge.

 

[CN2Souls]

:nevermind:

 

[jadejazzkayla]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

John Young, says like others he thinks Dunn should have sought legal council a long time ago. Not because he thinks she's been unfairly represented, but because he says she was greatly unprepared for all the attention she's been getting.
(snip)
There were reports Dunn was no longer speaking to the media. Young cleared that up saying she will continue doing interviews, but only if her legal council is also there.
(And, yes,I realize "Acknowlodges" is mis-spelled. It's like that in the article)

bbm...it's about time. hopefully her attorney can clarify her interested person status or whatever they are calling it. i believe that will end that media speculation and keep their focus where it belongs.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Could he hire a PI for Hailey if HIS client requested?

I think it's possible that will happen, but the main reason a defense attorney would hire a PI to search for Hailey would be to prove that his client BD had nothing to do with her disappearance.

So over the next few weeks, we should expect what they call "trial balloons" being floated by this attorney.

He will give out theories based on "new evidence" that only his own investigator found that will debunk any theories from LE. They will try to make LE seem incompetent ~ it's already happening over the warrant issue from last weekend. That's not to help find Hailey, but to shield his client.

I predict they will find witnesses we've never heard of before who will have seen Hailey in far-away places alive and well. I predict this guy will talk about his client being railroaded - just as BD has been saying: LE just wants to "pin" this on her either her or SA, when really she knows the truth.

It's a pattern of defense we see over and over in cases like this. It may seem ridiculous, but it helps drag the case on and on and can raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the public, so every defense attorney will try it.

 

[Soulmagent]

I think it's possible that will happen, but the main reason a defense attorney would hire a PI to search for Hailey would be to prove that his client BD had nothing to do with her disappearance.

So over the next few weeks, we should expect what they call "trial balloons" being floated by this attorney.

He will give out theories based on "new evidence" that only his own investigator found that will debunk any theories from LE. They will try to make LE seem incompetent ~ it's already happening over the warrant issue from last weekend. That's not to help find Hailey, but to shield his client.

I predict they will find witnesses we've never heard of before who will have seen Hailey in far-away places alive and well. I predict this guy will talk about his client being railroaded - just as BD has been saying: LE just wants to "pin" this on her either her or SA, when really she knows the truth.

It's a pattern of defense we see over and over in cases like this. It may seem ridiculous, but it helps drag the case on and on and can raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the public, so every defense attorney will try it.

I personaly do think a PI would uncover information. A PI does not have to build a case for court.

I would hope the PI would interveiw the witness already close to Haileys home who have been discredited (uncoroborated actualy not the same thing) by LE the same day CP was found. I hope he, the PI would examine the weird dog hit/no hit , yet LE reported on it. I think based on LE's conflicted direction in the begining and their statements of the happenings in the case along with the whole families timeline issues and the runaway label in Haileys case warrants father questioning. If LE doesnt have explainations for these things, it will be a problem later. IMO I have not heard any rational explaination but have noticed the timing of the witnesses verses the and I think they soley focused on SA at that point. I think he is a good suspect but that does not mean he should be the only one. The statements PK made that were later told to us that PK doesnt know what is is talking about makes the dept look less then stellar as well as that 911 call where LE is making comments that should have not been made voicing his feeling specificly towards BD.

I think these issues would or will come up in a trial. I also believe they should and do not consider it a deflection. I would consider it FAIR.IMO
Unless they have some evidence and not just the computer stuff these things are going to come up. IMO.

So I dont think the PI would have to come up with far away witnesses who claim this or that. All his drama is right there in CC.

 

[Aedrys]

I still want to know how she's paying for a lawyer. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad she has one, but how is she affording him? Have they said if he's doing this pro bono?

And those are going to be some quiet interviews if her lawyer is there. Or maybe not. I don't think he realizes who he's representing just yet. This could get interesting.

 

[Ellebelle]

Well, perhaps Billie won't be speaking to the media since she's hired an attorney, but that may not be enough to stop her from speaking to Shawn:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353756

SNIPPED

Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs says his investigators have learned Billie Dunn and Shawn Adkins met up in Snyder on Saturday evening.

On Friday, Dunn revealed she filed a protective order that would keep Adkins off her property. Toombs confirmed the filing took place but says this hasn't kept the pair from meeting elsewhere.

SNIPPED
In response to Sheriff Toombs comments, Billie Dunn told KRBC's Jessica Reyes the accusations were not true.

Notice when BD speaks everyone lies but her. GMAB:maddening:

 

[Aedrys]

Notice when BD speaks everyone lies but her. GMAB:maddening:

Exactly like another case I'm following. That is all too familiar...

I think it's possible that will happen, but the main reason a defense attorney would hire a PI to search for Hailey would be to prove that his client BD had nothing to do with her disappearance.

So over the next few weeks, we should expect what they call "trial balloons" being floated by this attorney.

He will give out theories based on "new evidence" that only his own investigator found that will debunk any theories from LE. They will try to make LE seem incompetent ~ it's already happening over the warrant issue from last weekend. That's not to help find Hailey, but to shield his client.

I predict they will find witnesses we've never heard of before who will have seen Hailey in far-away places alive and well. I predict this guy will talk about his client being railroaded - just as BD has been saying: LE just wants to "pin" this on her either her or SA, when really she knows the truth.

It's a pattern of defense we see over and over in cases like this. It may seem ridiculous, but it helps drag the case on and on and can raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the public, so every defense attorney will try it.

I wonder if Dominic Casey is available? He did such a good job in the Casey Anthony case...in any event, if they do hire a PI, I hope it's an inept one. That would just make me laugh if they hired someone that just bungled things up for them.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Exactly like another case I'm following. That is all too familiar...



I wonder if Dominic Casey is available? He did such a good job in the Casey Anthony case...in any event, if they do hire a PI, I hope it's an inept one. That would just make me laugh if they hired someone that just bungled things up for them.

That does seem to be the way things go....

 

[Soulmagent]

Well, perhaps Billie won't be speaking to the media since she's hired an attorney, but that may not be enough to stop her from speaking to Shawn:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353756

SNIPPED

Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs says his investigators have learned Billie Dunn and Shawn Adkins met up in Snyder on Saturday evening.

On Friday, Dunn revealed she filed a protective order that would keep Adkins off her property. Toombs confirmed the filing took place but says this hasn't kept the pair from meeting elsewhere.

SNIPPED
In response to Sheriff Toombs comments, Billie Dunn told KRBC's Jessica Reyes the accusations were not true.

I would really like them to tell us what his investigators have learned in Haileys missing person case and NOT in Billie Dunns relationship. JMO.
LE does remember this is not about Billie Dunn right ? Clint needs to get Haileys Name back out there before people forget this is not about SA's collection and his girlfriends(plural) sex tapes. IMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from : http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

There was also a published report that Dunn was no longer speaking to the media.

However, Young corrected that statement by saying she will continue doing interviews – but only if her legal counsel is also there.

:violin:

I can't wait to see how the attorney is going to "spin" this ...

 

[ThoughtFox]

About the magistrate thingy ~ people aren't usually arrested according to the schedule of the magistrate. Overnight doesn't seem like a cruel and unusual amount of time to wait for bail.

And as far as "whether she wanted to talk or not" to LE: They have a perfect right to talk to her at the jail, just as she had a perfect right not to answer.

And good luck to him if he thinks she is going to "go quietly" now. :crazy: