2011.03.17 - Billie Dunn was arrested, Thread #3

[Kat]

Just my two cents. If there is going to be a PI hired then I hope it is one that is hired by Clint or by someone who doesn't appear to have a vested interest in the outcome.

I don't see an issue with the hiring of a PI. In fact a PI might even uncover information to support what a great many of the general public thinks and that is that BD and SA did something to Hailey.

JMHO.

 

[yllek]

Just my two cents. If there is going to be a PI hired then I hope it is one that is hired by Clint or by someone who doesn't appear to have a vested interest in the outcome.

I don't see an issue with the hiring of a PI. In fact a PI might even uncover information to support what a great many of the general public thinks and that is that BD and SA did something to Hailey.

JMHO.

Imo, a private investigator isn't needed when the public investigators are on the case and the investigation is moving forward. I think LE has uncovered a great deal of evidence and information to support the whodunit part. They are pressuring those suspected to most quickly determine when and why it was done, and most importantly where to find Hailey. A confession is the fastest way to finding Hailey. I believe LE has honestly pursued leads pointing in other directions, but all valid information leads back to Billie's house and the adults that were living in it. If the case grows cold and those believed responsible don't give up the location, then I can see a PI being favorable for Hailey. JMO.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think we all know that Clint can't afford a PI.

And since they've had local LE, the FBI, the Texas Rangers, Marc Klaas, and lots of searchers looking everywhere, what would really be the point?

 

[wonderella]

I'm a little behind in reading about the latest development of BD now having legal representation, and only have this to say:

SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE (in my best Gomer Pyle voice) - Mr. John Young is now Billie's attorney! I bet he's almost worried himself to death about when he'd get a chance to be involved in the case.

Mr. Young is the very same attention-seeking individual who represented my friend's husband--the one who shot and stabbed her to death, and then buried her in a 3-foot deep hole on his parents' property in rural Jones county, Texas, and claimed that she was "missing."

Take note, Billie...Things didn't work out very well for his defendant that time.

 

[LaLaw2000]

And he cares about this why?? So depending upon what the search warrant was for may be a reason for her to lie about him being there? I see no bearing on this at all.

Young said he has yet to see the search warrant that investigators were carrying out when looking for Adkins the night Dunn allegedly lied about where he was.

Why does this lawyer have to state this? Does he think he should be privy to the search warrant for SA? He can see it when we see it, IMO.

 

[Mandy113]

Oh good grief. Snipped from the ktxs article:



BBM
Really, Mr. Young? She is fraternizing with and lying for the only named suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, Hailey. It is absolutely related, IMO. :banghead:

...and this gem:



So LE knew she was going to lie to them about SA's whereabouts? They planned (ahead of time) on taking her in? Come to think of it, they probably DID know she would lie, based on her behavior thus far.

Regardless, I say good on them for hopefully getting some answers during that "difficult" interrogation. At the very least, they rattled her... :rocker:

Regardless of the time, (day or night) couldn't BD have asked to have a lawyer present when she was being questioned by LE? I doubt it would have made any difference in her statements to them however. She's already been speaking so openly in the press, even saying she didn't need a lawyer and had no reason to be concerned with a plea deal.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm a little behind in reading about the latest development of BD now having legal representation, and only have this to say:

SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE (in my best Gomer Pyle voice) - Mr. John Young is now Billie's attorney! I bet he's almost worried himself to death about when he'd get a chance to be involved in the case.

Mr. Young is the very same attention-seeking individual who represented my friend's husband--the one who shot and stabbed her to death, and then buried her in a 3-foot deep hole on his parents' property in rural Jones county, Texas, and claimed that she was "missing."

Take note, Billie...Things didn't work out very well for his defendant that time.

Sorry to hear about your friend. I am wondering; Was your friend's case high profile? Did Young work pro-bono or did her husband pay for his services?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

However, Young said any further discussion about this or the three misdemeanor charges Dunn faces is unrelated to the case of Dunn's missing daughter Hailey.


:waitasec: :waitasec:

BBM: whoa ... this sounds to me like typical "defense attorney" SPIN !

So if Hailey was NOT missing, would Billie be facing these 3 "misdemeanor charges" ?

If Hailey was NOT missing, would LE have been at Billie's house that night looking for Shawn with a warrant ?

Is it possible that the 3 charges Billie got last Thursday was because LE was looking for Shawn and it goes back to the child porn ?

In my opinion, it is all connects back to Hailey's disappearance.

:cow::cow::cow:

 

[Kamille]

Regardless of the time, (day or night) couldn't BD have asked to have a lawyer present when she was being questioned by LE? I doubt it would have made any difference in her statements to them however. She's already been speaking so openly in the press, even saying she didn't need a lawyer and had no reason to be concerned with a plea deal.

LE asked her if she wanted to retain a lawyer after this arrest and she still said no. I think it was after LE started putting on some pressure and calling her out on her lies officially in the press that this Mr Young was finally able to convince her that she needed his services.

MOO

 

[Donjeta]

I would really like them to tell us what his investigators have learned in Haileys missing person case and NOT in Billie Dunns relationship. JMO.
LE does remember this is not about Billie Dunn right ? Clint needs to get Haileys Name back out there before people forget this is not about SA's porn collection and his girlfriends(plural) sex tapes. IMO.

IMO it doesn't work that way. It is about Hailey but now it is also about Shawn's porn collection because it is illegal. Granted, Hailey is important but it doesn't mean that when LE finds child porn or evidence of any other crime they should just shrug and say, "Oh well, never mind, it's about Hailey, not about X."

Even if SA turns out to be innocent in Hailey's case his porn collection is something that LE should make something about because every single child who was victimized for someone's perverted viewing pleasure is just as important as Hailey.

 

[Donjeta]

snipped from : http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

There was also a published report that Dunn was no longer speaking to the media.

However, Young corrected that statement by saying she will continue doing interviews – but only if her legal counsel is also there.

:violin:

I can't wait to see how the attorney is going to "spin" this ...

It sounds more like he's there more for the publicity than for Billie. As if when Billie said she wouldn't be doing more interviews he sat up and said, hey, no, that's not what I had in mind at all, I thought I'd be going on Nancy Grace sitting beside you, I wonder which tie I should pick for that....Is it really likely that doing more interviews with a defense atty beside her is going to repair her image?

 

[nursebeeme]

this is my opinion:

he is a defense attorney...

((could we expect him to not take hold of what he can and spin it furiously?))

 

[sorrell skye]

Young said he has yet to see the search warrant that investigators were carrying out when looking for Adkins the night Dunn allegedly lied about where he was.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

Billie has already admitted to numerous media outlets that she lied to LE. I don't know if the reporter was repeating Mr. Young's words, or if the word "allegedly" was inserted by the reporter, but IMO it's an unnecessary word.

Billie lying to LE is not "alleged" - it's on record as a fact.

I say "good luck" to Mr. Young in trying to defend his client against that charge.

 

[Jo in Calif]

So if Billie's attorney is not working pro bono and Billie is legally married to Clint and Texas being a 50/50 state, do you think he can get stuck with half her bill?

 

[sorrell skye]

LE would have informed Billie of the Miranda warning when they arrested her.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?

If she chose to waive her right to be silent, and waived her right to speak with an attorney, and waived her right to have an attorney present during questioning, that was her choice.

It's not as if LE dragged her out of her house and took her to the station and waterboarded her. But to hear Mr. Young's spin on how the arrest & interrogation went down, you'd think she'd been subjected to cruel and unusual punishment or something.

GMAB

 

[burbqueen]

i forgot billie still married...oh well I was hoping for a summer wedding with billie in all white. I'm glad she got a lawyer, but I dunno if this will help her any or undo the damage she's done.

 

[SurfieTX]

So if Billie's attorney is not working pro bono and Billie is legally married to Clint and Texas being a 50/50 state, do you think he can get stuck with half her bill?

I hope not. I think the family courts have a pretty wide berth when it comes to dividing properties and debts. I could be wrong, however.

 

[sorrell skye]

Mr. Young has been trying to cast doubt on the charge of "hindering apprehension or prosecution" against Billie, since there was no arrest warrant for Shawn when she lied to LE, but a search warrant.

I found this:

Art. 18.03. [313, 314] [364, 365] [352, 353] SEARCH WARRANT
MAY ORDER ARREST. If the facts presented to the magistrate under
Article 18.02 of this chapter also establish the existence of
probable cause that a person has committed some offense under the
laws of this state, the search warrant may, in addition, order the
arrest of such person.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/criminal-procedure/18.03.00.html

 

[Soulmagent]

There were sightings that didn't fit the police timeline so they were either dismissed or just never confirmed in any meaningful way, so they stayed in the realm of rumors.

But that won't bother the Defense because all they want to do is raise doubt that BD had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance.

They were not disproven. That was kinda my point. Just because they do not fit the LE timeline does not make them untrue. If they are untrue fine say they are, if they are only not coroborated because you cant, as an LE prove them then say that. They said nothing. Them not fitting their timeline is a silly reason to dismiss them and could prevent a case from being closed. IMO.

I guess not everyone here is assuming that the police are on the wrong track. We don't know everything they have.

Hiring a PI can be a money drain. In the Madelaine McCann case they had a PI firm travelling all over the world pointing to children who looked like Madelaine, although sadly every lead was an embarassing mistake. But hey - it actually worked out well for the parents because they got off scott free and their child is still missing. Any Defense would appreciate that outcome.

So it won't surprise me at all if this guy hires a PI for Billie Dunn. I just wouldn't expect the truth to come out due to that type of investigation.

I am not assuming the police are on the wrong track. I think they could be correct. I have not seen anything of any evidence that makes me think anything other than SA MIGHT be guilty. I am not assuming he is innocent nor I am assuming his guilt . We dont know anything other then the porn. I wonder if LE has anything in HD'S case

I am being objective. This case differs the cases so far that have been compared to them because in the first few days or whatever witnesses who actualy reported Hailey outside spoke to officers themselves. There was dog hit, an a text message. These things did happen. Per LE.. If it didnt fit their time line it could still be true. It would mean the suspected timeline was off.

Why couldnt LE clear that up in the media instead of clearing up the dating status of SA and BD? LE has not responded to important information in this case ,but now has time to call Blog radio shows, and make comments in the news on the couple. Yes that bugs me ,not for SA or BD but for Hailey.
LE didnt comment on anything Hailey related for a while and let PK misstatements about BD not being a POI in the case stand or didnt feel it important to tell the media when the status went back from non POI to POI again. If it is putting them in the hot seat that makes me think that LE has less evidence then they want us to know they have IMO.

I never said I assume the police to be on the wrong track. I also dont think the questions I have asked are self explanatory without making leaps of judgements based in theory because we do not have fact and we have no confirmation that LE has any either people are assuming they hae something. JMO.

 

[SoSueMe]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

John Young, says like others he thinks Dunn should have sought legal council a long time ago. Not because he thinks she's been unfairly represented, but because he says she was greatly unprepared for all the attention she's been getting.
(snip)
There were reports Dunn was no longer speaking to the media. Young cleared that up saying she will continue doing interviews, but only if her legal council is also there.
(And, yes,I realize "Acknowlodges" is mis-spelled. It's like that in the article)
(eta also "Clients")

Council is also misspelled. It should be counsel. Geez.