2011.03.17 - Billie Dunn was arrested, Thread #3

[grandmaj]

"I don't know everything about the three charges she is facing, but the real shame is that it appears this case has become a 'whodunit' rather than a 'where's Hailey,'" Young said.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/21/officials-dunn-filed-trespass-warning-against/

WHAT?

Well :doh: Yes it has. Who Done It is going to go to jail and when the going gets tough you hope they spill where Hailey is. Otherwise you can only search for so long. 3 months is a long time. And then you move with your case to receive justice for a victim that sometimes is never found. Sadly.

 

[lynnb]

Well, someone reminded her that she is SUPPOSED to be talking to the media...about her daughter. She keeps forgetting that.

I wish I shared your thinking....but IMO Mr. Young is fine with BD having camera time as long as Mr. Young is captured in the frame as well....all IMO

 

[grandmaj]

The spin doctor. It is just another person talking. It is someone far better at talking than Billie Dunn who failed miserably at communicating what she should have, had it been heartfelt. That her daughter was the most important person in the world to her. Instead she spent her time worrying about what people might find out about her and her activities and past. And defending Shawn the man that never should have been allowed in that house. Unfortunately this lawyer will use Hailey's name in an effort to garner support for Billie. Law Enforcement finally came out swinging and this attorney has some damage control now to effect.

It doesn't change the facts. He will irritate us because he is trying to paint a portrait that is a false caricature of the person. But, it doesn't change the facts. The evidence when it is ready and ripe will be presented to a Grand Jury and arrest(s) will be made.

And we have to hope and pray that some how Hailey is found.

 

[redfish]

Yep, I believe he is gonna be a fine spinner Billie... time to share the spotlight. I sure wish I could hire a good Public Relations expert for our little Hailey. I am so tired of how our children are used and abused in life and death. It is disgraceful. ( sorry for the rant but my heart is full, slinking off to the corner now.)

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Does'nt the GJ convene on the 24th??:woohoo:

 

[grandmaj]

For me this is the worst part of these cases. When the lawyers start with their public relation spins. I want justice not empty words. Billie Dunn wouldn't need this high powered attorney unless the handwriting is on the wall either regarding the or Hailey. Not for the little charges she has against her.

He has to beat these little charges because if he doesn't these charges will come in at a trial if Billie charged with being involved in the disappearance of Hailey. She will have a record.

I want Hailey found but unfortunately I believe there was almost 48 hours lost before Hailey was reported missing. And it may just take one of those involved to roll on the other.

 

[SmoothOperator]

What appeared interesting to me was an emphasis by Young that he is not convinced that a warrant had been served on search of SAs body---LE wanted to talk to SA.

Note: The feed was terrible, so we'll have to confirm.

The Mitchell County District Attorney's Office says they went to Billie Dunn's Colorado City home to carry out a search warrant on her longtime boyfriend, Shawn Adkins. During the search, law enforcement said Dunn lied to them. The search warrant that originally brought law enforcement to Dunn's home came from Howard County. The warrant was for a search of Shawn Adkins' body.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/search-fulltext?nxd_id=353096

Above BBM..
So her atty is stating that the DA's office is lying as to there being a search warrant issued for the body of Shawn Adkins to be searched..

That's agreat way to kick things off with making accusations and insinuations that the DA's office is lying..

My words to John Young-> no dude..ya better get on the ball here..cuz it's your client you're about to quickly learn is the one that has consistently told habitual lies the past 3mos..Thats who you need to be focused on..

 

[Aedrys]

For me this is the worst part of these cases. When the lawyers start with their public relation spins. I want justice not empty words. Billie Dunn wouldn't need this high powered attorney unless the handwriting is on the wall either regarding the or Hailey. Not for the little charges she has against her.

He has to beat these little charges because if he doesn't these charges will come in at a trial if Billie charged with being involved in the disappearance of Hailey. She will have a record.

I want Hailey found but unfortunately I believe there was almost 48 hours lost before Hailey was reported missing. And it may just take one of those involved to roll on the other.

ITA grandmaj. OMG, I can't STAND it when these defense lawyers make such ridiculous comments. Do they not know how stupid they sound? I know all defense lawyers aren't like this, but I swear, in every case I've followed, it's like the lawyer hasn't been following along, doesn't care to, but thinks they make a grand comment about the situation like they are expert. Lord. All this lawyer is doing is spinning in circles. :banghead:

 

[dodie20]

But when the cops went there she allegedly said "Shawn wasnt home " which indicates Shawn DID leave there and according to locals had indeed done so for some time.

I didn't see the exact quote, but if BD said 'Shawn isn't home' ...technically, that might not be a lie, if his legal address was elsewhere...because he wasn't home-he was at BD's. I know, I know, but legally speaking, that might be a loophole. MOO.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I will be very surprised if Billie is the one that made the call to Mr. Young and not the other way around.
He has been following this case. IMO he is her lawyer pro bono.

Great minds think alike.. :high five: ...Someone in this the thread mention Carrie{amber's mom who set up Hope for Hailey}if she possibly helped her..guidance..suggested him..I say no way!

This man finally got in touch with her and convinced her it was long since time in her needing to have an atty..and of course that he'd do the best for her since he'd been so closely monitoring the case..real winner IMO..

 

[isa]

I didn't see the exact quote, but if BD said 'Shawn isn't home' ...technically, that might not be a lie, if his legal address was elsewhere...because he wasn't home-he was at BD's. I know, I know, but legally speaking, that might be a loophole. MOO.

If this is an exact quote, Billie told LE that Shawn wasn't at her house.

"I was arrested because Shawn [Adkins] came over here and the authorities were looking for him, and I told them [the officers] he wasn't here [at Dunn's home]," admitted Billie Dunn, mother of missing teen, Hailey Dunn.

http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/content/dunn-admits-lying-deflects-other-charges

 

[Salem]

It will be interesting to see how long he stays on the case. I just can't help thinking about all the people/attorneys that suffered losses in their reputations when they became mixed up with the Anthony family. I can see this happening here. In my opinion, it has already happened here.

Salem

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/21/officials-dunn-filed-trespass-warning-against/
"I don't know everything about the three charges she is facing, but the real shame is that it appears this case has become a 'whodunit' rather than a 'where's Hailey,'" Young said.

He doesn't know everything about the three charges she is facing??? I thought that was what they told the media he was hired for? So if he doesn't know about the charges against her, and he wasn't hired to represent her as a POI, what is he doing setting up media interviews with her for?

This kinda reinforces my thoughts that perhaps during her short visit to the jail, more was discussed than the current charges. IMO that is why she filed for the PO, to make them happy (and maybe to get media off her) not because she was really done with SA. So it sounds like whatever was said to her in jail, has scared her enough to make her listen to her attorney and not do media interviews on her own. At least for now. I would love to know what all was discussed that night.

 

[katydid23]

Spelling and grammar mistakes, in the bombshell headline. I know it's petty and doesn't affect the investigation, but it's rather indicative of the reporting overall thus far in the case, imo. Put some pride into your work local reporters and news staff! Dig your heels in... I would love to see a hungry investigative journalist with a passion for truth and justice arrive on the scene. (But, guess I'll settle for a mediocre one that doesn't hawk victims gear..)

Sorry for the O/T mini-rant...

"but only if her legal council is also there."

Legal COUNSEL, not council. SShheeeezzzzzz

 

[katydid23]

So with him not being convinced about the warrent for adkins body he will ask for that warrent to be used in his clients case. If they did not have an arrest warrent then she could not hinder apprehension. IMO. I am also thinking "hindering and apprehension'' is supposed to be hindering an Apprehension.


http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=354006

It does not matter if they ended up arresting him or not, they had a WARRANT
to search him. She LIED to LE and denied that he was there. That is against the law and an 'arrestable' offense, no matter what happens to Shawn at the time.

For all we know the reason he wasn't arrested was because she lied and gave him a chance to dispose of the evidence they had the warrant for. I(n that case she did in fact hinder an apprehension.

 

[Donjeta]

"I don't know everything about the three charges she is facing, but the real shame is that it appears this case has become a 'whodunit' rather than a 'where's Hailey,'" Young said.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/21/officials-dunn-filed-trespass-warning-against/

WHAT?

He's echoing Billie's sentiments. Apparently his client doesn't want them to find out whodunit. She wants them to focus on the search for Hailey (somewhere she isn't?) instead of trying to pin it on somebody because she doesn't like who the somebody with all the evidence stacked against appears to be.

 

[Donjeta]

"but only if her legal council is also there."

Legal COUNSEL, not council. SShheeeezzzzzz

It makes her sound more important One man simply isn't enough for her legal needs.

 

[Donjeta]

Young went on to say, he has yet to see the search warrant investigators say they were carrying out when looking for Adkins the night Dunn allegedly lied about where he was.

"I wish she hadn't told police Mr. Adkins wasn't there, but I wait anxiously for what incredible information comes from that warrant."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html
SNIPPED

What's that tone he's using? Is he trying to imply that Billie lying about Shawn being there means nuttin' if they didn't get some kind of bombshell info from the warrant being served? Or does he use the word incredible as in "not-credible" and imply that the sheriff's office makes things up as they go along?

 

[Donjeta]

KTXS has requested to see that warrant but was denied by the Judge out of Howard County. Young says this wasn't the only instance of law enforcement having an unfair advantage, he says officers intentionally arrested Dunn at night so she was unable to bond out until the next day. Questioning her from 8 PM to midnight.

"I think it was not a mistake...that Ms. Dunn was arrested after eight when there was not a judge to magistrate her... She was unable to get a bond so they were able to chat with her a while whether she wanted to or not."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27270724/detail.html

So, did they purposefully wait for several hours after she lied to come and arrest her after eight o'clock or did they simply arrest her when they happened to notice that she had lied to them and possessed illegal prescriptions?

In the latter case IMO he should advise his client to only lie to the cops and have illegal prescriptions in her possession early in the day Monday to Friday when the judge is present, not in the evening and not at weekends.

Classic deflection, yeah, my client lied to the police but never mind THAT, the cops arrested her in the EVENING....

Like tons of people don't get arrested in the evening or even after midnight.
Sigh.

 

[Tugela]

It does not matter if they ended up arresting him or not, they had a WARRANT
to search him. She LIED to LE and denied that he was there. That is against the law and an 'arrestable' offense, no matter what happens to Shawn at the time.

For all we know the reason he wasn't arrested was because she lied and gave him a chance to dispose of the evidence they had the warrant for. I(n that case she did in fact hinder an apprehension.

The warrant was apparently for some item on him, they wouldn't have arrested him until they had analysed it. All of this recent stuff is related to the investigation, it doesn't look like it is related to the HD case.

In any case, its hard to imagine what they might think they would find. Anything incriminating would have been trashed long ago, unless SA is a complete idiot. I'm guessing it's a fishing expedition because they don't have anything concrete to tie to anyone, otherwise they would have arrested the guilty party by now. They have had the original evidence for two months - more than enough time to determine what it is and where it came from. That could mean three things: (a) the "CP" is indeterminate, ie the age of the persons depicted is not clear - it could be underage or it could just be a young looking adult (to figure that out that they would have to track down the people in the images, and since most of that sort of stuff comes from Russia, that will be extremely difficult); (b) they can't determine which of the people who had access to the computer actually downloaded it; or (c) the CP case is a convienent cover to investigate the HD case without worrying about probable cause.

Since the drive/CD from BD's home was found in SA's drawer, and both BD and SA said it was his, I think it probably did not have CP on it, otherwise they would have arrested him by now. They wouldn't need to be looking for more evidence, they could do that after the arrest if they needed anything more.

IMO they are using the CP thing as a cover to investigate the HD case. They don't have probable cause to get warrants for the HD case, but as long as they leave the CP case as "unresolved" they can continue getting warrants for that when they want to snoop around for stuff that might be related to HD.

The other possibility is that they have no real evidence in the HD case, but have decided who did it, and are looking for anything and everything they can convict them of, or pressure them, in the hope that someone will "break". That is all good and well, but if BD/SA didn't have anything to do with HD's dissappearance then it is going to be an unfortunate distraction.

Time will tell