2011.03.24 Frye Hearing - Morning portion

[nssherlock]

think Sims is doing that one......kay::dunno:ullhair::beersign:

Oh Noooooooooooooooo...........not again............:maddening:

 

[2goldfish]

Hi ynotdivein. Found this site that you can download the article (free):

http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/content/courtroom-demeanor-theater-courtroom-0

Courtroom Demeanor: The Theater of the Courtroom (61 pages)http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/sites/default/files/Levenson_final.pdf

my husband thanks you so much for the £7.95 you saved us

 

[SideKick]

What may I ask are they discussing this afternoon?..... Briefly.

 

[lowens1975]

Because "quite frankly," Fogery is on to Baez (who wants to discredit and belittle the dogs and especially the handler) and is not answering his questions with the answers that Baez wants. ( Mostly because Baez's questions are so disorganized and nonsense)The dog handler was someone who helped train this dog, and the dog is trained to specific areas and items, according to what the dog is asked to look for. Either Baez just does not get this or is trying to make the whole cadaver dog & handler training and relationship look like junk science.

LDB does a professional job of questioning EVERYBODY, either her own or the defense witnesses, without getting her panties in a wad over it. Baez is PO'd because he can't outsmart the witness? So it's the witness's fault and therefore they are 'hostile'? Cute.

Those dogs are awesome, but scary. I lived next door to a professional trainer. One of the dogs took a fearsome dislike to me and I wouldn't go out in the backyard to mow or lay out in the sun without a pistol close by. I never knew how far she would go to get out.

 

[yeknomaras]

I hope it's ok but I got the next thread ready...

Afternoon hearing thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131488"]2011.03.24 Frye Hearing - Afternoon portion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[TotallyObsessed]

BBM~~ and I am no lawyer..It appears that the witness could not respond to JB's liking because JB was jumping all over the place, using terms inappropriate for his question, not to mention confusing dates with his questions...Is it just me?? or does JB do that with all witnesses?? Or does he just do that with witnesses when he has no clue on what he is doing??..I dont know..But there's alot of subjects this lawyer is oblivious..and tries to cover it up with scarcasm and rudeness..:loser:

From previous cases I have watched, it is the ones who do not answer, who give attitude, who go off topic, who refuse to answer questions...Hummm Does Cindy and George fit that description?????

No it is not just you. JB is horrible with witnesses that are not his and not coached. How very wasteful and unprofessional to hand a witness a 100+ page deposition, or report, or ANYTHING and not direct him to the page you are referring to. I think this morning he thought he was unnerving the deputy by making him look through his entire log. IMHO, the deputy could not have cared less. He took his time. Answered correctly. It backfired on JB.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I missed most of LDB, can anyone give me a quick synopsis?

Easy Peezy MD MOMMY~~ She just ran thru all the credentials of these specialized dogs..Yikes Gerus alone has 22,800 hours !! I am amazed!! She didnt have to go on and on..Judge Perry gets it!! Oh Yea..She got this deputy to say..that Gerus was NOT trained on Urine and Feces (human)..tho Baez tried to make a big deal that Gerus once got distracted by animal urine....:floorlaugh: and tried to equate it to a false positive ( Baez's word for the day!!)

 

[Tulessa]

I'm a long-time lurker and have hardly ever posted, but it is so time for my first official rant!

I understand it's the defense's job to, well, defend their client...but I really do not understand how they can sleep at night after spending entire work-days coming up with every outlandish crazy scenario they can think of to explain away the facts. Maybe someone “cut their skin” in the back yard at some point in history and the dogs were alerting to that? Maybe there was urine or a lost baby tooth somehow deposited there? Well ok, maybe. But we're talking about rigorously-trained animals certified to be reliable at finding scents that come only from human decomposition...and we're talking about them alerting near a back yard playhouse were a precious, beautiful little girl once laughed and played. None of us really know whether a deceased body was ever in the back yard, and since “the dogs can't testify,” we don't know exactly what they detected. But unlike many of the human players in this sad, sad case, the dogs have no propensity or ability to lie. I can't help but feel like it's hugely disrespectful, especially the victim herself, to suggest the alerts happened because of some inane trivial thing that had nothing to do with a death. JMO and rant over...thank you for being here Websleuths.

There will certainly be justice for Caylee.

A wonderful rant to go along with a wonderful user's name. Welcome to WS SS.

 

[zoey]

Oh Noooooooooooooooo...........not again............:maddening:

feel the same way...however, on the upside....JA will start first.....:rocker:

 

[Tulessa]

Welcome SapphireSky, I'm a newbie too and I am so glad I found this site

Welcome also Bon!! :seeya:

 

[darnudes]

Dr Vass and his air samples.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Did part one of today's slideshow already!

Check back after this afternoon's testimony is done for more. I will post a link when I have all of it done. (Click on blue title bar to view)
[ame="http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011%20Hearing/March%2023/March%2024/?action=view&current=73531559.pbw"]March 24 :: March 24 - Please take a moment to pause on slide one. slideshow by LifeCoachOnTheCouch - Photobucket[/ame]

** All captions represent the 'view' of the photobucket owner only and do not necessarily represent the view of WS! Etc.

 

[LancelotLink]

Oh ok - ty...who is J Lyons?


moo

trying to increase his bust! funny!:crazy:

Sorry. I just got back and saw this. Jerimiah Lyons, Baez bulldo, er Private investigator.

 

[sumbunny]

Did anyone else notice the big container of colored markers in front of casey on the DT desk? ~grins~ The color coding continues!

 

[LancelotLink]

I wish I didn't feel this way but deep down I feel the defense is going to pull some crazy stunt, anything they can do to keep this trial from starting in May....I don't trust them one bit........
Cindy and George could also do something to stop the trial from moving forward as planned....

This time I don't wanna be right!

IMO, I agree they will try and pull stunt after stunt. I also think that given HHJBP's knowledge of this case as well the personalities involved, he too is expecting more stunts.

 

[sua_sponte]

Great Idea, I'm gonna send mine with a Outback gift Certificate, they can all go out and have a nice meal and relax. They will need it. I know we are not allowed to ask for stuff here on WS, but if it is OK with the mod's maybe we can all set something up for after the trial from all of us at WB. Thoughts?...

I don't know the specific law in FL, but in my state there are VERY STRICT ethics rules about public employees accepting gifts. You may want to check on that before you spend the money.

 

[Chiquita71]

I'm a long-time lurker and have hardly ever posted, but it is so time for my first official rant!

I understand it's the defense's job to, well, defend their client...but I really do not understand how they can sleep at night after spending entire work-days coming up with every outlandish crazy scenario they can think of to explain away the facts. Maybe someone “cut their skin” in the back yard at some point in history and the dogs were alerting to that? Maybe there was urine or a lost baby tooth somehow deposited there? Well ok, maybe. But we're talking about rigorously-trained animals certified to be reliable at finding scents that come only from human decomposition...and we're talking about them alerting near a back yard playhouse were a precious, beautiful little girl once laughed and played. None of us really know whether a deceased body was ever in the back yard, and since “the dogs can't testify,” we don't know exactly what they detected. But unlike many of the human players in this sad, sad case, the dogs have no propensity or ability to lie. I can't help but feel like it's hugely disrespectful, especially the victim herself, to suggest the alerts happened because of some inane trivial thing that had nothing to do with a death. JMO and rant over...thank you for being here Websleuths.

There will certainly be justice for Caylee.

welcome Sapphire Sky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:seeya:

:welcome: Sapphire Sky

Thank you for your post. You wrote exactly what I wanted to express and you did it so well. :takeabow:

 

[Scamperoo]

Well she's back and is smiling and happy, doesn't look like this morning fazed her one little bit.

 

[Tiki]

there she is - already sorting papers ...........


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[BigFatMommyDog]

I don't know the specific law in FL, but in my state there are VERY STRICT ethics rules about public employees accepting gifts. You may want to check on that before you spend the money.

You took the words right outta my mouth. I would think that a donation to an appropriate or preferred charity might be a better choice