2011.03.30 Press Conference

[grandmaj]

Billie Dunn stated on one of her shows she did, that she failed the poly because she was just told that her boyfriend was a POI, and, that there is a possibility that Hailey was not alive.

She recently said that she is not sure about Shawn after hearing about the threats he had on his phone. She had doubts. She took a No tresspass out on him.

Now are we to believe that after 90 days this family has not been gently braced for the reality? The reality is that even Clint is out there searching at times. LE is not investigating a run away. They have been pursuing a criminal investigation. The searchers are not looking for an alive Hailey when they are out in those fields.

Did it hurt to see it in black and white? Of course it did. There is always a tiny bit of wishing what we think might have happened, is not true. But, from the time of the polys this investigation went criminal. A suspect was named. And I do not for a minute believe this is the first the family realized that LE thinks Haleigh is deceased.

My heart breaks for those that love Hailey.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think the problem is that we are used to press conferences (in other cases) in which some of the parents lead the way or speak alongside LE. The Kyron Horman case is like that. The difference is, the parents who attend press conferences for Kyron are not POI's. The one parent who is a POI dropped out of the limelight early on at the advice of her attorney.

In this case, the POI's seem to seek attention at every turn and have had plenty of opportunities to speak out on radio, tv, and in print media. That doesn't make them "members of the press" who might need to be at a press conference.

As far as other family members being upset about statements made that Hailey might be deceased, I guess I am surprised at all the denial going on. As hard as it is, I think they need to go to the acceptance stage and not blame LE so much for their own grief. JMOO

 

[grandmaj]

"Hailey's Grandma" ????? reacts as well as the Mayor.

Hailey's grandma, Patricia Trischel, was visibly emotional talking about today's events.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=356996

 

[Soulmagent]

I think the problem is that we are used to press conferences (in other cases) in which some of the parents lead the way or speak alongside LE. The Kyron Horman case is like that. The difference is, the parents who attend press conferences for Kyron are not POI's. The one parent who is a POI dropped out of the limelight early on at the advice of her attorney.

In this case, the POI's seem to seek attention at every turn and have had plenty of opportunities to speak out on radio, tv, and in print media. That doesn't make them "members of the press" who might need to be at a press conference.

As far as other family members being upset about statements made that Hailey might be deceased, I guess I am surprised at all the denial going on. As hard as it is, I think they need to go to the acceptance stage and not blame LE so much for their own grief. JMOO

I think it I would have a hard time accepting my 13 year old daughter was gone, as a matter of fact I am having a hard time accepting theirs is with the amount of non information we have been given after the conflicting reports of witnesses and dog hits at places. The only answers are " uncoroborated". I am sorry I would need more to believe my kid was dead too.

They are half looking to LE to solve their problems and half non trusting. Why? LE is not trust worthy if they believe you to be a criminal. They can lie ,and lead you to believe non truths and not disclose information in the name of justice. Clint is a criminal ,Billies Mother is a criminal, Billie is a criminal,And SA is a suspect?

I dont think LE is at the stage where they can offer anything to make them more accepting

As a whole LE imo LE pitted the family apart without solid evidence and the backpeddling . IMO at least if they "feel " they can trust eachother they offer themselves more hope. I believe, if and when the time comes to accept any of the facts when there are some ,this family will do so.

 

[Soulmagent]

"Hailey's Grandma" ????? reacts as well as the Mayor.

Hailey's grandma, Patricia Trischel, was visibly emotional talking about today's events.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=356996

Uhh.. That isnt her Grandma. Hailey Has two Grandmas who names are both Connie .. Or is that my twlight zone version of events?

If I am crazy people need to let me know other wise I am one more crazy person walking arround your planet. Just saying.

 

[WillenFan21]

I think that Patricia is Naomi's mom. I could be wrong though.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My heart aches for Clint. But this was a news conference and it was not for the family. Depending on who was present it is not in the interests of the Administration of Colorado City with the Police Chief sitting there to be in a news conference with the family shooting questions at him.

Now I don't know for sure who was there. But if BD was, she is a POI and there is no way she belonged at that news conference. She is represented by Counsel. I can't tell from anything I have read yet whether she was or not. They are on a different sides of the law at the present time . LE has a job to do whether it be local, county or Federal. To have the family attempt to address the City Manager in this setting is out of line. Pete Kampher stated that he refused to be present at Billie Dunn's presser because there are things they don't agree upon regarding the investigation. So it wouldn't be a good thing to be at that presser. This was no different.

Clint doesn't have a lawyer. He can call LE and Pete Kampher at anytime for an update. Billie they will no longer talk to because she has Counsel. Pete Kampher made IMO the only choice he could given the situation, by not letting them in. He didn't even know in the beginning who it was that was there.

It could have seriously jeopardized the investigation on many levels had there been a confrontation in that news conference today. Depending on who ultimately gets charged.

This family needs to learn boundaries. The only thing they have in common right now with the Govt., is everyone wants Hailey found. There is an active criminal investigation ongoing!

Clint has defended BD and even SA, the POI and the Suspect too many times. This could have been very dangerous and in fact totally damaged any chance of justice for Hailey.

:rocker:

ITA !

 

[ThoughtFox]

They are half looking to LE to solve their problems and half non trusting. Why? LE is not trust worthy if they believe you to be a criminal. They can lie ,and lead you to believe non truths and not disclose information in the name of justice. Clint is a criminal ,Billies Mother is a criminal, Billie is a criminal,And SA is a suspect?

I have to differ because some of those things you stated are facts and part of the public record, even though they have nothing to do with Hailey.

Clint had a reason for being in jail that wasn't connected to Hailey and he freely admitted that, so LE didn't put him in jail without a reason. Billie and her mother seem to have a drug problem which is now a matter of record. The police didn't plant any evidence in BD's house, nor did they force her to lie to them about SA being inside her house.

SA became a suspect early on because of strange things he said to police about Hailey being promiscuous, not to mention the weird hobbies, masks, and now all the devices. That's evidence and a fact of the case.

If some members of the family can't trust LE, maybe it's because some of them have secrets or something to hide, and if they do, then it's in Hailey's best interest for that truth to come out.

I dont think LE is at the stage where they can offer anything to make them more accepting

I think LE was just being realistic about Hailey's status.

 

[MsFacetious]

"Hailey's Grandma" ????? reacts as well as the Mayor.

Hailey's grandma, Patricia Trischel, was visibly emotional talking about today's events.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=356996

Patricia is Naomi's Mom.

Since I personally think Naomi is the best female parental figure Hailey has at this point... I have no issue with her mother being referred to as Hailey's Grandma.

For all we know, Hailey may have called her Grandma.

Patricia is obviously upset and defensive especially of Clint finding out about this on the internet. She is asking for HELP for Hailey.

This woman is doing more for Hailey (which doesn't take a lot) than her mother.

It's just refreshing to see someone who cares I guess.

 

[epiphany]

PT is Naomi's mother:

"It's not something we ever really want to think about because to us, Hailey is still alive," said Patricia Trichel, Hailey's grandmother.

And

"Until we know and someone presents that proof to us, we're searching," said Trichel.

Both Snipped; BBM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=357036

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think that Patricia is Naomi's mom. I could be wrong though.

You are correct.

CD's mom and BD's mom are both named Connie.

 

[Soulmagent]

I have to differ because some of those things you stated are facts and part of the public record, even though they have nothing to do with Hailey.

Clint had a reason for being in jail that wasn't connected to Hailey and he freely admitted that, so LE didn't put him in jail without a reason. Billie and her mother seem to have a drug problem which is now a matter of record. The police didn't plant any evidence in BD's house, nor did they force her to lie to them about SA being inside her house.

SA became a suspect early on because of strange things he said to police about Hailey being promiscuous, not to mention the weird hobbies, masks, and now all the devices. That's evidence and a fact of the case.

If some members of the family can't trust LE, maybe it's because some of them have secrets or something to hide, and if they do, then it's in Hailey's best interest for that truth to come out.

I think LE was just being realistic about Hailey's status.

Just to clear up the issue. I did not say any arrest was unjust I said they are criminals , I dont even know why LE planting evidence came up in your post.
I am aware of why SA is a suspect and what is evidence. I am unsure of what you are disputing about my post.

 

[scorekeeper]

Can someone tell me if the family (mom, dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.) ever stood together and begged for information concerning Hailey's disappearance and begged for her safe return (early in the case/January)??? Did they ban together before SA was named an POI/suspect? Has SA's family ever spoke?

A missing child does not make a dysfunctional family functional. Everyone seems to have their own agenda and possible secrets.

This family seems divided and perhaps they were before Hailey went missing......something doesn't seem right to me.

JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

PARTICULARLY since the divorce is not yet final, it may be in Clint's best interests not to "bad-mouth" the mother of his children during the process, REGARDLESS of how things APPEAR. Unless she is charged with a related crime, he's probably being pretty smart.

I agree, it's this, and I think a good dose of shock/denial thrown in as well. I got the impression from Ritchie that CD really was in love with BD, and I also got the impression that BD used to be a different person than she has become with SA. Couple that with not wantig to believe that Hailey is gone (which, really, is the logical conclusion if SA was the one who caused her disappearance), and the result is CDs "defenses" of BD.

I think BD either went through a radical change once she hooked up with SA, or she had CD and all his family snowed for years. Either way, it's gotta be a hard thing to try to come to grips with the realization that someone you loved may have had something to do wit the disappearance of your daughter/niece etc.

Also, I never really took Cd to be defending BD all that much. If it is a defense, it's a pretty half hearted one, as he has never said anything very definite like "there's no way BD would do anything to HD", has he? It always struck me more that he was just trying to be evenhanded, given the lack of solid evidence. he comes across as not wanting to alienate her completely - which is probably a good idea, if he believes that she has information.

I think he just doesn't know what to believe - but more than anything he wants to believe Hailey is alive, and he wants her home. He seems more focused on that than on any criminal investigation into the CP, etc.

JMO, throwing thoughts out there. For CDs sake I hope BD or SA starts singing soon. Every time I see the guy he looks more and broken down. If he isn't reaching out for help from the Victims Advocate, they need to be a little more assertive in trying to be there for him, and help him through this. He doesn't strike me as someone who likes to ask for help for himself. I'm worried about him, and Naomi too.

 

[grandmaj]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27372485/detail.html

This video shows who was present at the City Manager's office. It was two people from what I can see Patricia T. and M. Salazar. Naomi's mother and Clint's sister. I do not see either parent in this video. And nothing I have read indicates either was present yesterday.

 

[Melanie]

From Knox's link:

Meanwhile, members of Hailey's family were waiting outside visibly angry and demanding answers.

"Tell us whats going on. If your going to sit there and say there might be a possibility, give us a reason. If not a reason, stop it. This is killing us. We don't know what is going on they wont tell us anything. They're not releasing any information even to the family. We come over here for the press conference they wouldn't even let us in," said MS, Hailey's Aunt.

Family members were able to talk to Kampfer, but they would not share with us what they talked about. They did say they are not giving hope.

I don't know why they would be upset with Kampfer. If there were visibly upset and demanding answers they should take a walk over to BJD's house. After all --

1. both she and SA failed the polys
2. drug use
3. , child , beastiality
4. The possibility of a business going on in the home
5. Donated and sold cars (alleged)
6. Tanning instead of looking for Hailey
7. An alleged text to Clint - the house in exchange for the children
8. SA, BD, DD not spending a single moment searching for Hailey

Suprised? Really? I think the family members are definitely taking their anger out on the wrong people.

If they want a reason, please see 1-8 above. Don't be all up in LE's face.

MHO only!

Mel

 

[yosande]

I think the problem is that we are used to press conferences (in other cases) in which some of the parents lead the way or speak alongside LE. The Kyron Horman case is like that. The difference is, the parents who attend press conferences for Kyron are not POI's. The one parent who is a POI dropped out of the limelight early on at the advice of her attorney.

In this case, the POI's seem to seek attention at every turn and have had plenty of opportunities to speak out on radio, tv, and in print media. That doesn't make them "members of the press" who might need to be at a press conference.

As far as other family members being upset about statements made that Hailey might be deceased, I guess I am surprised at all the denial going on. As hard as it is, I think they need to go to the acceptance stage and not blame LE so much for their own grief. JMOO

I think from the presser that PK had a specific reason for doing it, and it is being lost by all the family drama.
He did not declare that Hailey is deceased. He said they believed she may be deceeased, or she is being held in duress. No doubt as the days went by, everyone was thinking the same.

Nevertheless, regardless of history of arrests, the family is saying they weren't told anyting by LE before they gave the presser. If the family wasn't invited, LE or PK should have been considerate and compassionate enough to call the family together, to inform them of what the topic would be and why.

He simply wanted to stir up the community to remember anything and call into the tip hotline. They want and need to find Hailey, and it's been too long already, whether she is alive, or deceased.

I commend LE in Satsuma for doing it just that way. LE could have said no questions, we just want to inform you of the presser, and what it's about, so you aren't surprised, and so you don't have to be there. In fact, please don't be there.

Simple consideration, and explanation could have stopped the drama before it started. moo

 

[Gardenlady]

I don't know why they would be upset with Kampfer. If there were visibly upset and demanding answers they should take a walk over to BJD's house. After all --

1. both she and SA failed the polys
2. drug use
3. , child , beastiality
4. The possibility of a business going on in the home
5. Donated and sold cars (alleged)
6. Tanning instead of looking for Hailey
7. An alleged text to Clint - the house in exchange for the children
8. SA, BD, DD not spending a single moment searching for Hailey

Suprised? Really? I think the family members are definitely taking their anger out on the wrong people.

If they want a reason, please see 1-8 above. Don't be all up in LE's face.

MHO only!

Mel

My guess is that they're upset because *none* of the above has anything to do with Clint, but everything to do with BD! They are CDs family, not BDs. I can understand not keeping BD informed at this point, because of everything on your list. But none of it was done by CD. He's been out there searching, talking, volunteering for polys, and is not a suspect or POI. He shoukd have been informed well prior to the presser. That LE couldn't be arsed to call Clint themselves, rather than ask BDs lawyer to do it for them is completely unprofessional and inconsiderate, IMO. Making it worse is the fact that PK started talking about this to reporters before the presser, even, so that word leaked into headlines that they consider Hailey dead. I'd be down there demanding to see PK and LE myself if I were a member of his family.

 

[curiousc]

I agree, it's this, and I think a good dose of shock/denial thrown in as well. I got the impression from Ritchie that CD really was in love with BD, and I also got the impression that BD used to be a different person than she has become with SA. Couple that with not wantig to believe that Hailey is gone (which, really, is the logical conclusion if SA was the one who caused her disappearance), and the result is CDs "defenses" of BD.

I think BD either went through a radical change once she hooked up with SA, or she had CD and all his family snowed for years. Either way, it's gotta be a hard thing to try to come to grips with the realization that someone you loved may have had something to do wit the disappearance of your daughter/niece etc.

Also, I never really took Cd to be defending BD all that much. If it is a defense, it's a pretty half hearted one, as he has never said anything very definite like "there's no way BD would do anything to HD", has he? It always struck me more that he was just trying to be evenhanded, given the lack of solid evidence. he comes across as not wanting to alienate her completely - which is probably a good idea, if he believes that she has information.

I think he just doesn't know what to believe - but more than anything he wants to believe Hailey is alive, and he wants her home. He seems more focused on that than on any criminal investigation into the CP, etc.

JMO, throwing thoughts out there. For CDs sake I hope BD or SA starts singing soon. Every time I see the guy he looks more and broken down. If he isn't reaching out for help from the Victims Advocate, they need to be a little more assertive in trying to be there for him, and help him through this. He doesn't strike me as someone who likes to ask for help for himself. I'm worried about him, and Naomi too.

Another thing to remember is that he has a stepson, DD, whom he sees as often as he can. I think a big part of his defense of BD is so that he doesn't have DD turning on him. If Clint started bashing BD, I think it would affect his and DD's relationship. And, what if BD isn't involved? (I think she is but what if?) DD would probably never forgive Clint.

One other thing to remember is we don't know what DD knows. Could it be that LE doesn't keep Clint in the loop for fear of them talking to DD about it? Perhaps tainting DD as a witness?

 

[Melanie]

My guess is that they're upset because *none* of the above has anything to do with Clint, but everything to do with BD! They are CDs family, not BDs. I can understand not keeping BD informed at this point, because of everything on your list. But none of it was done by CD. He's been out there searching, talking, volunteering for polys, and is not a suspect or POI. He shoukd have been informed well prior to the presser. That LE couldn't be arsed to call Clint themselves, rather than ask BDs lawyer to do it for them is completely unprofessional and inconsiderate, IMO. Making it worse is the fact that PK started talking about this to reporters before the presser, even, so that word leaked into headlines that they consider Hailey dead. I'd be down there demanding to see PK and LE myself if I were a member of his family.

I absolutely agree. Why on God's green Earth should BJD's lawyer be telling CD anything! My heart aches for Clint, and he should not have gone through that. It seems that LE is lumping the entire family into one pile -- which certainly isn't the case. As far as BJD's family - well I think you know my take on that one. My apologies - as I thought they were there as well.

Hugs,

Mel