2011.04.04 Motion Defendant's: For Withdrawal of Appointed Counsel

  • #181
Thanks JSR, my imagination was running wild there for awhile. I know how much Baez dislikes JA and after last weeks hearing and the talk of sanctions, I would put nothing past him.
 
  • #182
Oops, didn't see my post on new page. Sorry for posting twice.
 
  • #183
Again, and even more now that I've read all these good posts, it's going to be CM. AF has ethics. She is like a mini-AL (with ethics). Who else would have to submit a supplementary item explaining their need to withdraw other than CM?

(ETA: 133 viewers on this thread right now. This is generating hearing-like heat!)
 
  • #184
maybe it is that new guy, he realized he is only a glorified baby sitter for ICA and he said forget it. LOL
 
  • #185
I think it is JB. I think something has happened and has been kicked out but to save face they let him back out---why did J Perry give e-body a week off? Maybe he knows something is comin down the tubes and it would take a week to solve the problem.
 
  • #186
Thank you so much JSR - okay you swayed me with your logical thinking re the memorandum in support - unless ICA is writing motions/memorandum's now---lol :)

Gotcha, okay, I'm with you, CM or AF. Wow that is a toss up, I can't imagine AF leaving and leaving ICA possibly to die - so I'm thinking it must be Mason.

It could be DS, but I'm less inclined to believe it is. If I recall she was checking her schedule this week for the "next installment" of the Frye hearings. The ones I think will never end. If she was checking her schedule but planning on jumping ship I doubt she would mention when she was available.

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if it was anyone from the DT but with the memorandum in support it must be a key player. And that would generally go with the thinking that good cause must have been needed to be allowed to withdraw.

If it is AF. God help Casey .....
 
  • #187
Again, and even more now that I've read all these good posts, it's going to be CM. AF has ethics. She is like a mini-AL (with ethics). Who else would have to submit a supplementary item explaining their need to withdraw other than CM?

(ETA: 133 viewers on this thread right now. This is generating hearing-like heat!)

Maybe the reason there is a motion and a brief is that someone is withdrawing and reporting unethical/illegal doings. JMO :dunno:
 
  • #188
I'm betting HHJP would gladly sign off on a hotel room, cheeseburgers and gas for AF if it meant seeing the backside of CM at this point. :innocent:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
  • #189
Again, and even more now that I've read all these good posts, it's going to be CM. AF has ethics. She is like a mini-AL (with ethics). Who else would have to submit a supplementary item explaining their need to withdraw other than CM?

Keep in mind the simple fact that she has ethics might be a valid reason for it to be AF withdrawing. As we saw with Brad Conway, when backed into an ethical corner typically a lawyers only option is to withdraw. if she is seeing behavior that runs counter to her ethics she can't simply babysit it, or even report it.

I still lean towards the departing party being CM, simply because he seems to be winding down his participation, beyond the bomb throwing and JB defending. if this is the case it may mean that JB will be in for a world of hurting. I somehow get the impression that while she is nice, classy and subdued, Ms Finnel would not be playing by JB's rules when she is the required DP attorney. At the very least she would probably be having some private meetings with KC, and hopefully have the long needed "come to jesus" conversation about her actual chances at trial.

Of course one has to wonder if maybe that conversation has already been had, and this departure may be a forerunner to some sort of plea deal that would obviate the need for that particular lawyer?
 
  • #190
Maybe the reason there is a motion and a brief is that someone is withdrawing and reporting unethical/illegal doings. JMO :dunno:

I don't think they would do that in a public pleading. That might be the underlying reason they are withdrawing but that would not be laid out for public consumption. If anything, they would report the incident to the FL bar (and usual they would ignore it lol) (Of course depending on what the issue is).

If say JB told her Casey confessed and told her where the body was located. AF could not report that incident. But if AF saw some other unethical behavior that doesn't breach atty client privilege she could report it.
 
  • #191
Whichever attorney it is -- my bet is on Cindy being informed of it when she and her attorney met with JB the Monday before her testimony on Friday, April 1st.

When Lyon quit and when Baden quit ... neither filed a Brief in support of their Motion to Withdraw, giving reasons to persuade the Judge to allow them to quit ... as this attorney apparently did ....

I think CM wants to leave with his reputation among his colleagues (voted best Orlando lawyer of 2011) in tact.
 
  • #192
Ah you guyz... I have a love/hate thing with speculation. But I read it anyway. Keep it coming.:great:
 
  • #193
Maybe the reason there is a motion and a brief is that someone is withdrawing and reporting unethical/illegal doings. JMO :dunno:

I could be wrong on this, but I don't think they would need a separate brief to do that. The departing lawyer could place any such complaint in their motion to withdraw and attach any supporting evidence as needed. The Brief in Support of means that it is coming from someone else. Which is what makes us all think that 1 DP lawyer is resigning and the other has filed the brief in support to say "that's ok I'll take over their duties".
 
  • #194
I think JB would love to depart this case - he has made his $$$ and become "famous" and could leave without the stress and hard work of a trial. I think he is tired of it all. But he cannot leave with the new law. His demeanor in court is that of a really, really stressed person - I don't think he ever anticipated working so hard on a case. JMO
 
  • #195
I think now it is JB, I think the bar is taken early action to have him removed then disbarment will be announced after the trial is over.
 
  • #196
Keep in mind the simple fact that she has ethics might be a valid reason for it to be AF withdrawing. As we saw with Brad Conway, when backed into an ethical corner typically a lawyers only option is to withdraw. if she is seeing behavior that runs counter to her ethics she can't simply babysit it, or even report it.

I still lean towards the departing party being CM, simply because he seems to be winding down his participation, beyond the bomb throwing and JB defending. if this is the case it may mean that JB will be in for a world of hurting. I somehow get the impression that while she is nice, classy and subdued, Ms Finnel would not be playing by JB's rules when she is the required DP attorney. At the very least she would probably be having some private meetings with KC, and hopefully have the long needed "come to jesus" conversation about her actual chances at trial.

Of course one has to wonder if maybe that conversation has already been had, and this departure may be a forerunner to some sort of plea deal that would obviate the need for that particular lawyer?

:goodpost:
 
  • #197
I hope it is AF, so she doesn't get dragged down into the mud with the rest of them.
 
  • #198
Keep in mind the simple fact that she has ethics might be a valid reason for it to be AF withdrawing. As we saw with Brad Conway, when backed into an ethical corner typically a lawyers only option is to withdraw. if she is seeing behavior that runs counter to her ethics she can't simply babysit it, or even report it.

I still lean towards the departing party being CM, simply because he seems to be winding down his participation, beyond the bomb throwing and JB defending. if this is the case it may mean that JB will be in for a world of hurting. I somehow get the impression that while she is nice, classy and subdued, Ms Finnel would not be playing by JB's rules when she is the required DP attorney. At the very least she would probably be having some private meetings with KC, and hopefully have the long needed "come to jesus" conversation about her actual chances at trial.

Of course one has to wonder if maybe that conversation has already been had, and this departure may be a forerunner to some sort of plea deal that would obviate the need for that particular lawyer?

The one thing Finnell does that Mason doesn't is step up and interrupt Baez to stop him from "stepping into it" - and I don't see him resisting at all.

Didn't she completely rescue him twice recently. JB appears to have much more respect for Finnell than he does for Mason. Come to think of it - I haven't seen those two - JB and Mason - look buddy buddy for a while now.
 
  • #199
DS :lol: :hot: :hot: :lol:
 
  • #200
Ah you guyz... I have a love/hate thing with speculation. But I read it anyway. Keep it coming.:great:

But speculation is the fun thing to do around here. It's almost as much fun as picking on JB during hearings :D
 

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