2011.05.27 Sidebar Thread

[LancelotLink]

I find it interesting...the focus on Simon Birch not calling police (all in hindsight). It's my experience that people "don't get involved". People go to work everyday and just do their jobs. There are crimes committed all the time and people keep walking, driving. I'm the type to always call the police...and most of us here probably would...cause we're into sleuthing. Have you ever seen a car wreck?. There are those who will stop and help, but the majority are blowing their horns and trying like hell to get around it. And the smell of decomposition does not mean criminality. OK, the defense will score a point or two, but that's about it.

I don't think they will even get a point. Half a point, maybe. When this question was asked I thought only of the question in terms of Baez on cross, for his first question. It would be a great question for Baez. But then again, I'm expecting "Are you on Facebook?"
I urge those who have not to please read the Simon Birch interview. It might serve to answer your concerns.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/simon_burch_transcript.pdf

 

[strawberry]

Well now I know why I can see WESH. It's through youtube. Event though my work blocks youtube.com I can view youtube videos that are linked. Shhh don't tell

 

[PrintGal]

I think JB will try to make hay of Simon's not calling police if he truly thought he smelt a dead body. But the fact that Simon, after having time to think, found the whole thing hinky enough to retrieve the garbage bag neutralizes that somewhat. (Am I misremembering that? I thought Simon retrieved it. Or did he just direct the police to it?) Anyhoo, what is really going to be hard to overcome is Cindy washing the clothing from the car. After she stated that the car smelled of a dead body. One form of dysfunctional parent is the 'martyr' and I think Cindy played that role to a great extent. That is the parent that will do a child's homework for them, etc., to prevent the child from facing any consequences. We know CA did that with regard to the stolen money from the grandfather's nursing home account, so it was definitely a role that she was comfortable in and keeping busy doing that sort of thing probably kept her from having to face some niggling and unpleasant thoughts....

 

[momtective]

I'm thinking Lee is about to completely pizzz us all off....I hope I'm wrong, I hope he will be there for Caylee, but I'm concerned he will support ICA and only ICA.

 

[jojomonkey]

All of this talk about Casey being such a good mother is getting sickening. She put on a front for everyone.
There was one person who said he saw her in action without her audience though. Remember the guy that owned the computer store that saw her interaction with Caylee both in his store and that day walking out of WalMart? Is he on the State witness list? I want to see him tell it like it really was.

I might be mis-remembering but wasn't there video of Casey walking into Walmart with Caylee trailing behind her and basically being ignored, or was that the computer guy's testimony? For some reason I feel like I actually saw it.

 

[Bon]

This is what drives me insane.........we are all guessing and trying to solve the crime and to think she just sits there like nothing is wrong and she has all the answers, really the only one who knows the real story................I want to just shake the truth out of her........

 

[Turnadot]

I find it interesting...the focus on Simon Birch not calling police (all in hindsight). It's my experience that people "don't get involved". People go to work everyday and just do their jobs. There are crimes committed all the time and people keep walking, driving. I'm the type to always call the police...and most of us here probably would...cause we're into sleuthing. Have you ever seen a car wreck?. There are those who will stop and help, but the majority are blowing their horns and trying like hell to get around it. And the smell of decomposition does not mean criminality. OK, the defense will score a point or two, but that's about it.

This is true.

Like I said, I'm not condemning the poor man. He wasn't obligated to call the police and he didn't do anything wrong. But being used to seeing accidents or not, he didn't know the history of the Sunfire when he smelled human decomp, so he should have alerted them to the smell. As far as I'm aware, he didn't, and that's fine. There's things I "should" have done at moments of my life, but hindsight is 20/20.

Mr Birch isn't on trial. I know that. I'm just curious; it's not a big deal. I'm perfectly fine with no answer at all. It won't make or break the case, IMO.

 

[Chiquita71]

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[okiedokietoo]

While this is all true, Mr Birch didn't pick this car up from an accident, or knew that it once held human remains due to suicide, accident, etc. All he knew about the Sunfire is that he smelled human decomp, couldn't see anything and the trunk was locked. Yes, I'm sure he's a busy man, but I would think it only took a few minutes to alert the police to the smell of human decomp coming from the car.

Mr Birch smelled human decomp. He couldn't see human remains when he looked inside. The trunk was locked. Like I said, he seems like an intelligent man - it's a small logical leap.

His testimony was powerful. He's great for the State, but I'm just curious why he didn't call the police. I'm sure it's a small matter and will not break the State's case or his testimony, but I hope LDB asks him about it after the break.

Snowball made a good point that maybe he did alert the police. We'll find out after lunch, I hope.

I think the day it came out on the news he put it all together and did call LE -he remembered the trash bag he tossed over the fence and went out crawling around in the dumpster looking for the trash bag- but LE had already retrieved the trash bag

 

[i.b.nora]

Hubby is LE. Even if the tow yard called, officers would not be able to open the car w/o a warrant or permission from the owner. The tow company already sent notification to LE & the registered owners, there was nothing more for them to legally do. Also, tow peeps are very used to foul smells and cars of horrific crimes in their tow yards. That was hubby's 2 cents. :twocents:

Bumping this.

 

[strawberry]

They showed the smart skinny lawyer from CMs office doing something. WOnder what motion/complaint they will revisit now.

 

[Linda7NJ]

All of this talk about Casey being such a good mother is getting sickening. She put on a front for everyone.
There was one person who said he saw her in action without her audience though. Remember the guy that owned the computer store that saw her interaction with Caylee both in his store and that day walking out of WalMart? Is he on the State witness list? I want to see him tell it like it really was.

It's obvious to me that while she appears in those jail house videos to LOVE her parents and have a special bond with them, her brother, her friend Amy, TonE whom she professed LOVE for then prompty hopped in bed with someone else. It's all an ACT she LOVES noone, truely CARES for noone. She uses people in true psychopath fashion

 

[Puzzler]

Where do you think she put the baby before she put her in the trunk?...playhouse?...She was somewhere until the car started smelling around late June when she texted Amy about the dead animal....I think that was when she dumped her in the woods...

I don't think she would have left Caylee anywhere on the Anthony property -- too much risk of discovery. But if she'd stashed her somewhere safe, why move her later? This has bugged me for a long time.

 

[strawberry]

I think the day it came out on the news he put it all together and did call LE -he remembered the trash bag he tossed over the fence and went out crawling around in the dumpster looking for the trash bag- but LE had already retrieved the trash bag

Exactly. He's another hero in this story.

 

[Marina2]

Because her mandible was still in tact as if she were alive. If you've ever seen a person die, their mouth drops open almost immediately.

Dr. G's testimony is one I'm very anxious to hear. I'm curious to hear her reasoning on this.

Often the mouth drops open but just as often, it may not. I've seen bodies frozen in rigor with the mouth shut and open. A nurse knows to place a towel under the chin of a deceased patient to keep the jaw from falling open so that their family doesn't have to see them like that. But it doesn't always happen.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

Which means CAYLEE WAS IN THE TRUNK THE NIGHT CASEY AND TONY WENT TO BLOCKBUSTER!! Wonder how Tony feels knowing he rode in a car with Casey while her dead child was in the trunk????
This stuff would mess me up mentally probably forever.

And the next day was spent having fun in bed together while Caylee was still in the trunk.

I'll bet when Tony figured that out, he couldn't scrub enough in the shower.

 

[jojomonkey]

I'm thinking Lee is about to completely pizzz us all off....I hope I'm wrong, I hope he will be there for Caylee, but I'm concerned he will support ICA and only ICA.

I hope you're wrong. I would think if a sibling accused me of abusing them like that I would be done with them. He probably knew the real Casey better than most people.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Hold your lunch folks!

The testimony coming up may be gruesome:sick: as well as the cross examine!:crazy:

 

[Stella5]

And that is why I think she put it on her after she died, but before decomp. She wanted her mouth closed.

How soon after death? You have to figure rigor mortis would have set it, and to close her mouth she would have more than likely broken her jaw (mandible) and it was found completely intact.

I honestly believe the duct tape is the cause of death. Why put it over her mouth & nose three times unless your intent was to suffocate her?

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I agree and, fwiw I think it's inconsequential to the testimony he gave. I even pictured him answering on cross that "Yeah, I've often wondered myself why in the world didn't I call the police when I smelled that". It may very well have been a coulda, shoulda, woulda moment for him.

But, he did put two and two together when he heard the story of Caylee missing and remembered the trash bag in the dumpster. That might have been another coulda, woulda...

Very good point!! Like I said, I am just curious and a buttinski. Some people just don't like to get involved with things that are none of their business at that moment. Maybe he had called the police when a previous car smelled that way and was told that there was nothing they could do without permission from the owners. Who's to say that protocol, because of legal restrictions isn't to call the police in this situation after the time has passed that the owners have lost legal possession of the car.

My daughter has several very serious life threatening conditions. If my husband killed himself in our only car and I didn't have the money to buy another one (which I don't and I am not married, so this would be a fictitious husband) I would not be happy about it, but I would carry her to the doctor's office in that stinky beast until I could buy another one. If it broke down, I wouldn't have the money to tow it to my house, get it back from a tow yard and most likely fix it, so it would probably just stay at the yard that had it. You just never know someone else's circumstances.