2011.06.10 TRIAL Day Fifteen (Morning Session)

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Don't let that fool you Mr. Kronk is no angel. He has some skeletons in his closet.

Respectfully disagree. Thank goodness for Kronk. He was IMO Caylee's angel. He may not be perfect but at least his "skeletons" are in the closet, not decomposing in a swamp.
 
  • #1,302
Tape covering mouth area. Possible tape also covered nose, but witness can not say for certain.

So, I have to conclude from this, definitely mouth. Maybe or maybe not nose. That means I have to toss out the idea that tape was over the nose, because it can't be proven.

Good info.

ETA: Although, I do have to add that if you tape a crying child's mouth shut, I can still see how mucus could fill the nose and prevent air. Taped mouth, blocked nose..

Did not one of the talking heads yesterday tweet that the duct tape was up to the eye sockets? That would cover the nose...IMO
 
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Don't let that fool you Mr. Kronk is no angel. He has some skeletons in his closet.



certainly. but none of his skeletons were spread out over a large swampy area.
 
  • #1,304
Notice ICA stops blowing, wiping nose, as it is described that Caylee's nose was gone, except for the skull nasal openings.
 
  • #1,305
Don't let that fool you Mr. Kronk is no angel. He has some skeletons in his closet.

Be that as it may, Mr. Kronk is an angel for finding one very special skeleton. Whatever he has or has not done Mr. Kronk is still yet ANOTHER victim of ICA.
 
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Schultz w/JA

the illium ....water area ...whole area flooded - silt and other suspensions in the water would have buried this bone....close to a big palmetto trunk....area F is lowest area...when whole trunk brought in there by carnivore....silt in suspension in water...process of water receeding would have buried this bone.....opinion as to taphonomy ...determine TOD we document all locations of bones ...disperal...bones were dry...not just tissue but have marrow in them.....they can still have decomp odor and moist to touch but these were dry.....leaf litter, root evidence, put in report 6 months could be possible.....dispersal of bones was primarily result of animal activity - when we find it directly on the bones there was some animal chewing on a couple of the ribs.....there are a couple of missing bones - taken away by animals - chewed and nothing left of the bone after that....

CM cross Schultz
Forensic anthropoligst - help direct location of bones and examine them youself....bones were xrayed - no evidence of any pre-mortem trauma - no evidence of peri-mortem trauma - anti-mortem trauma?

found no evidence of fractures.....twists or torqueing of bones....no evidence this child had ever had traumatic injury before her death paper copy of the map - print is too small for CM to read ....area A was how far from pavement of the road ...use scale on the mapping ...without having a ruler on me - 25' - 30' didn't participate in measurements....this map shows elevations...a 3D scanner was brought in....measurements were provided by Ronald Murdock....they both looked thru map of each of locations of flags and map was created...can't tell measurements? give me a ruler and I could....Fresh OUt ...

Cm - start w/area A primary site - skull,bags, arm, hand bone, lower leg bone located...originally they were in bags when deposited...plastic bags laundry bag and skull with bones in it...no bags in other other areas? no bags but parts of bags...not my job....all area A had majority skull, and other bones, were all in the bags....majority of A found .....in examine content of area a you discovered missing bones? don't agree with that ....other people processing the scene - people locating addtional bones in other areas....area A was primary area....go east ...whole crew there searching simulataneously.....did best to reassemble skeleton....don't have any scientific evidence when disperse from A...can't provide specific time period on any areas....nothing in work or this case....tells you how this child died...not a question he would answer - looked for peri-mortem trauma and didn't find it....didn't analyze duct tape....not covering nasal aperature? No....

redirect..
what is nasal aperature? hole on skull where nose would be...remove the nose the nasal apperature ....tape was covering mouth area...possibly could have covered the nose...based on what he saw...no way to say exactly because nose wasn't tehre.....kc talking to DS behind hand...DS not responding..

248 in evidence - publish...CM asked you question majority of bones found.in area A...refer to report ....not an exact - general - skull area, some of the bones were here general sense.....

area B - left humerus....closest to area A

area F - larger area on diagram....appears larger - dispersal out a little further, clavicles, pelvis, femor, femora, shaft, ribs, one vertebrae

area G - separation of bottom distal end of spinal column and couple ribs

area H - only had 1 part of vertebrae - bunch of ribs

area I - more ribs - have 20 vertebrae parts

no further questions...

recross to those issues? no

Dr. is excused




 
  • #1,307
Why is CM so intrigued by broken bones?? Just because ICA didn't break Caylee's bones means what??

Trying to prove ICA did not physically abuse Caylee before killing her?
 
  • #1,308
I think JA caught CM's "little" bones trick. JA now point out...ribs, spine, etc. HA!
 
  • #1,309
And to think, way back when, she could have struck a deal for 10 years (3 of which would already be done).

Thanking God for that. She doesn't deserve another free breath. Actually, she doesn't deserver another breath PERIOD. JMO, though.
 
  • #1,310
Please bring on Dr. G!
 
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HHJP: publish

JA: if you could circle what bones were found in area A.

(refers to notes, report) we have skull area here, this was not but we had some of the bones in here. that is a general...I am sorry excuse me. We may have something here.

JA: generally that was what was in area A

correct

JA: what was in area B?

the left femur(I think that is what he said, sorry)

JA: that was area b the closed to area a?

correct

JA: what was in area F?

it appears larger because of the dispersal. clavacals/collar bones, parts of the pelvis, both femur and femera, shaft and some ribs. One vertibra.

JA: area F?

yes

JA: area G?

that is where we see separtation of the bottom of the spinal colum and a couple of ribs.

JA: area H?

part of one vertibre and a bunch of ribs.

JA: area I?

more rib and 20 vertibra

JA: no further questions

HHJP: cross? the dr may be excused.
 
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Dorothy Sims: We know you read here. Just a small piece of advice. If you want people to believe ICA is crying, tell her to dump that bottle of water on her head so that there is some actual wetness on her eyes and nose.

'Cause, sweetie, no one is buying the act as it now stands.

Btw, she first blows her nose and then wipes under eyes. Does someone actually do that when they really blow their nose and the tissue gets icky?
 
  • #1,313
Not really, just some bitter angry ex wives and some estranged family who spin good paperback novel material.

And they're all sensing their 15 minutes has arrived.
 
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Dorothy Sims: We know you read here. Just a small piece of advice. If you want people to believe ICA is crying, tell her to dump that bottle of water on her head so that there is some actual wetness on her eyes and nose.

'Cause, sweetie, no one is buying the act as it now stands.

Also.. All of the hugging, stroking and patting COULD go along with the statement made by JB and shown on Dr. Drew last night that some might think his client is a lesbian.. (This was brought up by JB at a sidebar in refference to the girl & girl party pictures)
 
  • #1,315
State approaching to let JP know what their plan is from here.
 
  • #1,316
ICA is going to adopt an irish speaking baby next time.
 
  • #1,317
CM wanted to establish that a majority of bones were in one area and that only smaller bones were carried away because he could use that to support his theory.

JA thwarted it.

CM smart NOT to re-cross.
 
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Dr G called
 
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CM questing witness
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CM questing witness
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JA questing witness
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JA questioning witness
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JA says "there was no nose."
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  • #1,320
doctor G!!!!
 
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