2011.06.13 TRIAL Day Seventeen (Morning Session)

[CementPond]

This guy talks/sounds like he's reading a written report.

 

[nursebeeme]

there goes your error rate jose

 

[QueenD]

That picture chilled me to the bone. I will probably have nightmares about it.

What did they show? I missed it. Hair?

 

[truthsleuth]

Very detailed discussion of post-mortem banding hairs. Boring but worthy discussion.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Wish I could see photobucket photos.

Oh no...this is a must see. Are you able to view any photos? If so, how? Maybe we can figure out how to post / save so you can see it.

 

[FaerieB]

stevehelling Steve Helling
Everyone in the #CaseyAnthony courtroom looks well-rested today, including the jurors. They had family visits yesterday.

 

[yllek]

Weird. Imo, the FBI witnesses so far are the least compelling; somewhat nervous. JMO... The OCSD witnesses, the forensic researchers (not chemists!) and scientists and medical examiners, on the other hand, were stellar!

JMO...

 

[wenwe4]

Stephen Shaw - FBI fiber and textile and hair examiner - BS and Masters in fiber anaylsis, trained by FBI.....witness expert witness admitted...


2008 worked @ FBI - hair Q-12, previously examined by another examiner - quality assuance (object-overrule) procedure - whenever we have an examiner make a confirmation we have a second examiner confirm.....in this case micro-scopic similarity in hair brush plus the decomp (death band)

2nd exam - Ms. Lowe wasn't available - hair mass #271 - he examined hair mass microscopically, also compared with hairs from the trunk.....evidence of aparant decomp on hair mass....band similar seen (death band ) just above the root -with a brush like appearance - it is a later stage of decomp than the hair seen in the trunk - .....compare hair mass with hair found in the trunk - Q-12 hair w/decomp @ root same and consistent with hair mass - consistent coming from the same source - cannot say hair is exact same due to the hair mass (didn't pluck hairs from the scalp) being decomp and he cannot say the exact source the hairs but they are consistent .....

He is involved in a research project - conducting study ongoing- pre-lim results - 600 anti-mortem hairs stored on window sill, in potting soil - received water weekly, inside, outside, in 3 vehicles direct sun, out of the sun, one week to 7 months - he examined hairs microscopic changes for decomp - some of the hairs stored outdoors and in the water - did exhibit decomp but no banding! Any changes had any hairs had @ the roots, test given to 2 different examiners - 3 answer sheets - initial analysis - identify any hairs with any decomp present besides post-mortem band.....in confirmed results - they correctly id'd all post-mortem banded hairs - also included 1 anti-mortem hairs, examiner #2 also id'd one as banded - both of them initially thought post-mortem but later the final report they were excluded......

Prepare a power point to show results of study

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I would think we'd all get to see this demonstration. If not, I don't know why not.

 

[nursebeeme]

This guy talks/sounds like he's reading a written report.

this was his study on root banding (and the error rates of such by other scientists studying banded hair)... this is very interesting

 

[nursebeeme]

oh... so now a sidebar for the error rates!!! really??? of course he doesn't want this allowed LOL

 

[mombomb]

State Calls Stephen Shaw to the witness stand.

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY JA:

He is hair and fiber examiner for the FBI. He has held this position for 6 years. He has a BS and MS in textile chemistry from NCSU. Upon graduation he was a research associate at the university for 6 months. He then worked in private industry for 6 months. Then to the FBI.

FBI training included 1 year of training under the direct guidance of qualified hair and fiber examiners and completed tests throughout the training.

After the year of training he began working as a hair and fiber examiner.

He has testified in Court 12 times - Florida, New York, Virgin Islands, Montana, Virginia.

Submitted as expert witness - no objections by JB.

In 2008 he did a confirmation exam on the hair in this case (Q12).

Confirmation process is a quality assurance test.

(JB OBJECTS on FREY - OBJECTION OVERRULED)

A second examiner does an independent examination. He is aware of the prior results. He did a confirmation for the apparent decomposition as well as microscopic similarities to the hair in the hairbrush. He confirmed both.

Later in 2008 he did a second evaluation because Ms. Lowe was not available.

He analyzed a "hair mass" and identified it in a photo. He examined the hairs microscopically and compared them to the hair from the trunk. Hair band is Q-59.

The hair mass had signs of apparent decomposition - he also found a band just above the end of the root. The band was not similar to the hair in the trunk - it was from a later stage of apparent decomposition due to the brush on the root.

Hair in hair mass was the same microscopically as the hair in the trunk. He can not use this as a positive means of identification. However, he can only say it is consistent.

The hair mass is not a suitable known hair sample as he did not have them plucked from the scalp itself.

He has participated in research - conducting a study that is still ongoing - preliminary results are 600 hairs stored in various locations collected from 15 living individuals - in doors on a window sill, in doors buried, in doors submerged in water, out doors in a trunk of a vehicle, underneath the seat of a second vehicle and on the dash and in the trunk of a third vehicle parked in the sun. From a week to 7 months. He then examined them at the root end microscopically at the root end. No hairs in doors exhibited apparent decomp. Some of the other hairs exhibited apparent decomp. However, none of these hairs exhibited the banding. He then included hairs that included which were from a known deceased body. These were given to three examiners with a questionnaire. All of the post mortem hairs were correctly identified. Each examiner originally made an error in determining the banding. With a confirmed results they excluded the erroneous hair.

He prepared a power point presentation to demonstrate the results of his study - State's Exhibit Q-12. JA wants to use it for demonstrative purposes only as it does not involve this case.

JB requests Sidebar.

SIDEBAR #1 of the day.

 

[luv]

 

[LolaMoon08]

Are you freakin' kidding me!

I really have a feeling that this side of Casey will show herself to the jury once the defense starts their case in chief. Right now, Casey can only show anger and contempt when being confronted with the State's evidence because it is not part of "her" story. Once the defense is presenting "her" story, I believe Casey will not be able to hide her smug behavior from the jury. She can't help herself.

And that look Casey is giving to Mason is not sexy... it is quite scary. Reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz "Come here my pretty."

 

[wvjules]

Oh no...this is a must see. Are you able to view any photos? If so, how? Maybe we can figure out how to post / save so you can see it.

I can see anything but photobucket, twitter and facebook. Darned firewall! lol

 

[debbie0604]

Agree 100%....leaving your child to rot in a swamp, dismembered by animals = death penalty. I was in favor of life without parole before, but not now.

BBM - Yep, I was too, but after hearing testimony in this trial, I'm in favor of death now.

 

[Florida Native]

What did they show? I missed it. Hair?

Sorry I wasn't clear. Momtective's screenshot of ICA on the first page.

 

[suzihawk]

Why is she allowed to 'chair hop' like that when JB goes to sidebar? The leniency given to the INMATE in that Courtroom appalls me.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Are you serious? I'm on mute and wasn't watching at the moment. Is the hair mat in an envelope there? I could have sworn they checked the hair mat and found that band on that hair, but I could be mistaken.

They found a hair in the hair mat with banding, but the banding was different from the hair with banding found in trunk, because both hairs were from different stages of decomp.

Make sense?

ETA: And incidentally, this is exactly what I would expect to find wrt this evidence.

 

[RammerJammer]

I really have a feeling that this side of Casey will show herself to the jury once the defense starts their case in chief. Right now, Casey can only show anger and contempt when being confronted with the State's evidence because it is not part of "her" story. Once the defense is presenting "her" story, I believe Casey will not be able to hide her smug behavior from the jury. She can't help herself.

And that look Casey is giving to Mason is not sexy... it is quite scary. Reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz "Come here my pretty."

My initial thought: diabolical