4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

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  • #581
I don't understand why he is in literal solitary confinement. Even the 4 Wagners who were arrested and jailed for 8 murders in Ohio were allowed roommates and allowed to be with the general population.

BK is innocent until proven guilty.

There must be reasons we don't know about for him to be kept in solitary confinement. I am surprised his lawyer doesn't do anything about it.

Opinion only, but I think if BK's attorney thought he was even remotely innocent she wouldn't make him wait 6 months for his preliminary hearing.

On the other hand, maybe she feels strongly that she can gather enough evidence and witnesses to show his charges should be dropped.

His arrest was based on car and phone evidence, not DNA. I want to see if they have a smoking gun.
If BK were to to be housed in general population, he'd surely be a marked man. Someone would try to take him out for the atrocious, high profile crime he is accused of. I think they are actually trying to protect his safety.

They do have DNA from the knife sheath that matched his father as stated in the PCA. I'm sure the State has a lot more information that we don't know about yet as well.

JMO
 
  • #582
I don't understand why he is in literal solitary confinement. Even the 4 Wagners who were arrested and jailed for 8 murders in Ohio were allowed roommates and allowed to be with the general population.

BK is innocent until proven guilty.

There must be reasons we don't know about for him to be kept in solitary confinement. I am surprised his lawyer doesn't do anything about it.

Opinion only, but I think if BK's attorney thought he was even remotely innocent she wouldn't make him wait 6 months for his preliminary hearing.

On the other hand, maybe she feels strongly that she can gather enough evidence and witnesses to show his charges should be dropped.

His arrest was based on car and phone evidence, not DNA. I want to see if they have a smoking gun.

I think he's in solitary for protection from others because the case has been so newsworthy maybe? Also his self harm / suicide risk plus possible risk to others... he's kinda ticking all the boxes.

I agree with you tho and the smoking gun would be fascinating to know if they have something
 
  • #583

Bryan Kohberger's jail cell. He is in this isolated section alone. These 4 cells are one person cells. General population is together in a separate area. For security he is not allowed to be in the general population common area with all the other inmates and he eats alone in his cell. The other inmates can watch TV and eat in their common area together. Play cards, board games, talk, trade commissary items, share food, help each other with court cases, etc.... Lonely being isolated.
True but BK lived a loner type life style according to reports from people who 'knew' him. I don't think he's having any problems being by himself. Plus, he's safer that way too.

MOO
 
  • #584
MOO maybe a bathroom light was on to light the hall and dimly Xanas room too. The light from the corner readily visible from the 3rd floor landing.
We know Xana was up to receive her DD order @ approx 4 am. It's possible she turned on a light to answer the door or one in the kitchen?

JMO
 
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We also aren't privy to his plan or intent.

It was a dynamic situation for which he may not have adequately prepared.

K being there and in M's bed.
X being awake for doordash.
E being there, awake or awakened.
D being awake, calling out.

At 4 am, BK may have anticipated a static situation. Everyone asleep, one sleeper per room.

It's possible he had one target, one and only one.

It's possible he planned to enter, kill (just one), exit in mere minutes.

He might have accomplished that in virtual silence, if not for the dynamic features bulleted above.

It's possible that he intended to spend more time there, with just his one victim. Controlling with the knife. Taunt, torture, SA. If his plan was one decisive murder, without the others, the sheath might never have left his second hand.

It is likely his plan, whatever it was, was impacted, if not thwarted or accelerated, by the dynamic features. Encountering K would have resulted, as it did, in noise. And noise is what awakened D. Assuming he heard her utterance, he now knew he had a complication.

When he descended the staircase from the third level, he likely encountered E. IMO it's possible that the bedroom light was on. (If BK turned that light off, after murdering E and X, as he left that bedroom, the adjustment from light to dark may have affected his vision enough to miss seeing D, her door or the movement of it opening. Maybe?) If BK's target was just one, then IMO K was a surprise to him, as were E and X. He may have ascribed D's utterance to X because he saw that she was awake, may have been unaware that D was there at all, therefore.

In a matter of minutes, his careful plan to murder one victim escalated into four victims (if you accept the premise of a single, targeted victim).

Additionally, it is possible he was aware of Dylan. He may have made a calculated decision. We don't know his mindset. Not getting caught may not have been as compelling to him as the satisfaction of what he'd accomplished, assuming sick gratification as his goal. Perhaps he made a calculation. We know D locked her door. He may have heard that, did the math, decided the effort and efficacy of breaching her door was beyond his scope and opted for escape.

Knowing he left a live witness may have increased the thrill -- certainly ups the risk of being caught. Explains the rapid exodus, might explain his circuitous route home. He expected LE to come in hot.

But he knew he'd just massacred four people. D did not. She only knew that she'd been awakened by her roommates, did not register fear but annoyance, opened her door the third time, to be shocked to find a man directly outside her door. But even so, he paid her no mind and continued toward the door. Easy to read walk of shame not denouement of mass murder. She went back to bed, probably comforted by the silence which is what she sought in the first place. Eerie silence came later IMO.

My point to all of this is that, had BK encountered only M in her bed, if she was his target, and no one else had been awake, he may have entered in near silence and left the same way, leaving one murdered victim. Swift and efficient. Scary as hell.

Even with the moving parts listed above, he was in and out in under ten minutes, plus or minus. Leaving a swath of human destruction. Scary as hell times four.

He is the monster under the bed.

JMO
 
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  • #587
I don't understand why he is in literal solitary confinement. Even the 4 Wagners who were arrested and jailed for 8 murders in Ohio were allowed roommates and allowed to be with the general population.

BK is innocent until proven guilty.

There must be reasons we don't know about for him to be kept in solitary confinement. I am surprised his lawyer doesn't do anything about it.

Opinion only, but I think if BK's attorney thought he was even remotely innocent she wouldn't make him wait 6 months for his preliminary hearing.

On the other hand, maybe she feels strongly that she can gather enough evidence and witnesses to show his charges should be dropped.

His arrest was based on car and phone evidence, not DNA. I want to see if they have a smoking gun.
JMO, keeping him in an isolation cell may very well be protecting him from himself. It's generally known that he's struggled throughout his life, and is odd. And he's apparently hard to read. I would expect them to keep a close eye on him in case he can't adjust and tries to kill himself, and that's much easier to do in an isolation cell. Also, this is a very high profile case, fraught with emotion. You never know when somebody might try to save the state the cost of a trial. Or someone already headed to life in prison might do it for clout. Finally, if he arrogantly talks over or down to other inmates like he has to professors and women in his classes, somebody might beat the crap out of him just for being a jerk.
 
  • #588
Sorry for not getting what you meant - my brain is beyond blurry tonight. So yes, I do agree that he didn't seem to under a time limit and could have stayed longer if he'd opted to. I do wonder if he'd set some sort of time for himself. Possibly not, but it sure doesn't seem like he lingered. No staging of victims that we know of and doesn't seem like he even took much time to take in what he'd done. He seemed focused on quick kills and then leaving. Or maybe not. Just my thoughts based on the little we know.
Edited because I skipped the message: I guess that's the mindset someone might need in order to do such horrific things...
Agree on the nature of timing.
Like a military operation.
 
  • #589
I didn't even make it to the end of the FIRST sentence before I noticed a huge error. 1112 King Rd. (it's actually 1122 King Rd which all of you know)

2nd sentence - Missed comma between Moscow and Idaho.

3rd sentence - The population of Moscow isn't ~10K... it's ~26K!!! Various sources have different population numbers, but I'm not seeing ~10K. Moscow, Idaho Population 2023

That's it for me. lol

I hope like heck those book sales bomb. Whoever wrote that doesn't deserve one penny.

Ha! I kept giving the writer the benefit of the doubt.
 
  • #590
JMO, keeping him in an isolation cell may very well be protecting him from himself. It's generally known that he's struggled throughout his life, and is odd. And he's apparently hard to read. I would expect them to keep a close eye on him in case he can't adjust and tries to kill himself, and that's much easier to do in an isolation cell. Also, this is a very high profile case, fraught with emotion. You never know when somebody might try to save the state the cost of a trial. Or someone already headed to life in prison might do it for clout. Finally, if he arrogantly talks over or down to other inmates like he has to professors and women in his classes, somebody might beat the crap out of him just for being a jerk.
Ironical that the same system that is protecting him at the moment, is the same one that will execute him if he is found guilty.
 
  • #591
Ironical that the same system that is protecting him at the moment, is the same one that will execute him if he is found guilty.
Personally, I don't find it ironic. He's only been accused, not convicted. His life should currently be as important as mine or yours until he has a fair trial. And, if he's convicted, inmates don't get to decide or implement his punishment. The state is empowered to do that. If he's convicted, I wouldn't be surprised if they keep him in isolation for quite some time. MOOooo
 
  • #592
I keep ready about how smart KB is and his academic achievements and excellence. I see little evidence of that.
Persons pursuing PhD degrees are not smarter than everyone else. They are just individuals who have a great interest in a particular topic and choose to go after advanced study. Some programs are very competitive, but others are not. Good grades are required. BK has no published works of which I am aware. I have never seen any test scores or grade transcripts. I read that he liked to give long roundabout explanations for topics to show off his knowledge. This seems to me more like someone who likes to him himself talk than an expert on any field.

He may be of above average intelligence, but I have seen nothing to suggest he was a criminal mastermind.

It will be interesting to see what information is released when this case comes to trial. I suspect he was sloppy with some of his plans.

An old joke that comes to mind when I see references to his academic achievements (no offense aimed at the PhD's here).
Every body know what BS means (bull ****)
MS means more of it
PhD means Piled Higher and Deeper.
 
  • #593
It's been rainy here and yesterday I happened to notice my shoes were leaving diamond shaped shoe tracks! It was from my Onisuka Tiger sneakers.

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  • #594
Here’s more info to back this up.


“An employee at the coffee stand said the car was spotted in the drive-through, but the driver did not stop and order anything.”

Attached is google maps of the coffee stand drive through. Note the Snake River very close by.
Could he have been turning around in the drive-through?


edited to clarify context
 
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  • #595
Could he have been turning around?

He continues onward toward Pullman after being in Clarkton. He could have been doing anything near that coffee stand - which is across the street from Albertson's. Whether he stopped near the coffee stand, we don't know.

I've never heard of anyone using a drive-through as a turn-around, but perhaps he was confused. Sleep-deprived.

At any rate, he was near the Snake River.

IMO.
 
  • #596
I keep ready about how smart KB is and his academic achievements and excellence. I see little evidence of that.
Persons pursuing PhD degrees are not smarter than everyone else. They are just individuals who have a great interest in a particular topic and choose to go after advanced study. Some programs are very competitive, but others are not. Good grades are required. BK has no published works of which I am aware. I have never seen any test scores or grade transcripts. I read that he liked to give long roundabout explanations for topics to show off his knowledge. This seems to me more like someone who likes to him himself talk than an expert on any field.

He may be of above average intelligence, but I have seen nothing to suggest he was a criminal mastermind.

It will be interesting to see what information is released when this case comes to trial. I suspect he was sloppy with some of his plans.

An old joke that comes to mind when I see references to his academic achievements (no offense aimed at the PhD's here).
Every body know what BS means (bull ****)
MS means more of it
PhD means Piled Higher and Deeper.

But he may have thought he was a criminal mastermind, just as he thought he was being appropriate in his classroom behaviors/discussions (whereas other people viewed him as confrontational, etc).

And he certainly had a few years to study crime. He didn't work much. He went to school and read up on crime and took a class on serial killers. IMO.

There are all different kinds of intelligence; people with Antisocial PD usually have IQ's higher than certain other diagnoses, but that's just on a standard IQ test. It almost seems as if BK lacks certain aspects of emotional/social intelligence as well as certain aspects of common sense.

IMO.
 
  • #597
Ha! I kept giving the writer the benefit of the doubt.
I was done after reading the 3rd sentence. I just couldn't continue. There were too many glaring errors. lol
 
  • #598
JMO, keeping him in an isolation cell may very well be protecting him from himself. It's generally known that he's struggled throughout his life, and is odd. And he's apparently hard to read. I would expect them to keep a close eye on him in case he can't adjust and tries to kill himself, and that's much easier to do in an isolation cell. Also, this is a very high profile case, fraught with emotion. You never know when somebody might try to save the state the cost of a trial. Or someone already headed to life in prison might do it for clout. Finally, if he arrogantly talks over or down to other inmates like he has to professors and women in his classes, somebody might beat the crap out of him just for being a jerk.

Thank you for writing this. If I were in jail, I would prefer an isolation cell. I have a long history of functioning well on my own and in isolation. My partner is the same way, has the same preference. My dad was the same way too. We are a minority in the population, but we're not all crazy. People who dislike being alone perceive us that way. I function well enough in a social environment, but when that part of my day/week is over, I want alone time. Lots of it.

I think BK is capable of shutting up in the jail environment. He may well prefer being by himself. By now, he should be able to have jail-approved paper and writing instruments (often stubby pencils or, in CO, maybe a Flexi-Pen). He also gets some use of a tablet (for movies, for a fee - but maybe he gets to type on one as well). He gets to Facetime with family. I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to request particular books from the prison library which, if approved, can be read for an hour every day - sometimes jails do allow a book or two in the cell of a well-behaved prisoner. I bet he's been well-behaved. In short, his life may be very close to what it was when he lived at home. Lots of solitary time, occasional interaction with close family members.

Obviously, this is complete speculation and JMO.
 
  • #599
It's been rainy here and yesterday I happened to notice my shoes were leaving diamond shaped shoe tracks! It was from my Onisuka Tiger sneakers.

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And here's a Van's sole (they have a couple of different kinds, some do not have that transition at the ball of the foot):

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  • #600
It's been rainy here and yesterday I happened to notice my shoes were leaving diamond shaped shoe tracks! It was from my Onisuka Tiger sneakers.

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I spent a solid 20 minutes shoe shopping because of this post :D *FWIW JMO
 
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