4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[jepop]

PURE SPECULATION: Re the knife, he could also have just taken it into the store and left it...IMO. Wasn't he seen in a store on the afternoon of the murders?

Why would he do that? Stores have video footage and he would have been identified, tracked down and caught IMO. Yeah, on afternoon of 13th Nov his phone data and recovered video footage of the elantra has him at a store in Clarkson called Albertson's There is footage of him exiting the elantra and also walking up and down the aisles (Per PCA). If he'd left a Kbar there on 13th Nov then I feel he would have been hauled in by LE well before the date of his actual arrest! Personally, my opinion and guess is that he ditched the knife some time between the crime and arrest and it is unlikely to be found. I don't think anyone else would necessarily know about the knife or notice it was missing. He lived alone in his appartment in Pullman. There are a couple of knives on the return of inventory for PA search warrant, but from memory I don't believe either are Kbars (or equivalent), although no doubt they have been forensically examined. As far as I know, the weopen hasn't been recovered by law enforcement, at least that was the announcement prior to the gag order. MOO-

 

[SpiderFalcon]

MOO any clerk would remember such a transaction when they saw the murders had been done with a KaBar style knife.

Why would he do that? Stores have video footage and he would have been identified, tracked down and caught IMO. Yeah, on afternoon of 13th Nov his phone data and recovered video footage of the elantra has him at a store in Clarkson called Albertson's There is footage of him exiting the elantra and also walking up and down the aisles (Per PCA). If he'd left a Kbar there on 13th Nov then I feel he would have been hauled in by LE well before the date of his actual arrest! Personally, my opinion and guess is that he ditched the knife some time between the crime and arrest and it is unlikely to be found. I don't think anyone else would necessarily know about the knife or notice it was missing. He lived alone in his appartment in Pullman. There are a couple of knives on the return of inventory for PA search warrant, but from memory I don't believe either are Kbars (or equivalent), although no doubt they have been forensically examined. As far as I know, the weopen hasn't been recovered by law enforcement, at least that was the announcement prior to the gag order. MOO-

I'm SPECULATING, and saying, maybe he ditched it at the Albertson's. They couldn't see what he purchased, if I remember correctly from the PCA. Maybe he hid it in that huge store....IMO

 

[Wallendo]

I can think of two plausible reasons for BK looking to buy a sheath only, although both are unlikely.

1) He borrowed the knife (with or without the owner's knowledge) and couldn't return the knife without a sheath.

2) He purchased a sheath to leave at the scene, either as a calling card, or because he was using a different model knife and wanted to throw off LE.

If he was going to dispose of the knife, there would be no reason to purchase a new sheath. If he was keeping the knife, where is it?

 

[maskedwoman]

Per the PCA and in all of the press releases and conferences IIRC, they first stated 20ll-2013 Hyundai Elantra, and that is a big difference from 2015-2016 imo. I'm not a car expert, but I know we've got one around here somewhere...

LE also had the video in the neighborhood where the car was on video doing the three-point turn, etc., so more than just a fast moving vehicle? (See page 6 of the PCA - multiple videos from the area).

IMO, I think it's less about what you or I or any of us think. I'm looking at this from the defense perspective and seeing an issue I think they can validly raise. I'm not defending BK or side-eyeing LE; I'm just looking at things that I think are questionable, and that is one of them IMO. Where BARD is the totality of the evidence, reasonable doubt can be the chipping away of BARD IMO if that makes sense.

I understand your concern. I looked at Elantras from 2011 through 2016 for sale and really didn't see that much of a difference that would be evident at night in motion, but maybe it's me. I snipped pictures of them and they are below.

 

[Montecore1]

Per the PCA and in all of the press releases and conferences IIRC, they first stated 20ll-2013 Hyundai Elantra, and that is a big difference from 2015-2016 imo. I'm not a car expert, but I know we've got one around here somewhere...

This has always bothered me...even though the two Elantras are the same platform aka 5th generation, there are significant difference in the two different models. I have been in the automotive business for over 25 years and I also do expert witness work related to automobiles, usually I am hired by the Defense.

There had to be a reason why LE chose to use the 2011-2013 platform as the Elantra they were looking for. If the two models were "so much alike" that they couldn't be differentiated they certainly would have said 2011-2015...wouldn't they? Heck they are looking for a quadruple murder suspect for Pets sake! So you would think they would indeed be very specific in their hunt for the get away car, just as they did.

We all know for a fact that the FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

It was only changed to the later model after BCK's was known to drive a white 2015 Elantra.

 

[Sundog]

dbm

This has always bothered me...even though the two Elantras are the same platform aka 5th generation, there are significant difference in the two different models. I have been in the automotive business for over 25 years and I also do expert witness work related to automobiles, usually I am hired by the Defense.

There had to be a reason why LE chose to use the 2011-2013 platform as the Elantra they were looking for. If the two models were "so much alike" that they couldn't be differentiated they certainly would have said 2011-2015...wouldn't they? Heck they are looking for a quadruple murder suspect for Pets sake! So you would think they would indeed be very specific in their hunt for the get away car, just as they did.

We all know for a fact that the FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

It was only changed to the later model after BCK's was known to drive a white 2015 Elantra.

On a side note, jumping off your post, I have always wondered why we didn't see a search warrant from LE for the info on BK's vehicle registration for parking at WSU. Unless I missed it in the search warrants by LE in Pullman.

Seems to me that students at WSU would be very uncomfortable about their office of parking services giving informaton to Pullman LE without a search warrant. But maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I understand your concern. I looked at Elantras from 2011 through 2016 for sale and really didn't see that much of a difference that would be evident at night in motion, but maybe it's me. I snipped pictures of them and they are below.

IMO it's really hard to tell from those photos because they're at different angles and so different aspects may or may not be comparable. I am not an expert, I can barely find my own car in a lot, but @Montecore1 seems to know what he's talking about, and a simple google search may help as well. I'm not sure that our inability to see the differences would be the definitive prosecution or defense support needed. I'd agree that (quoting @Montecore1 here): FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

And I'd add: since they didn't, won't the defense ask that question?

 

[Boxer]

I'm SPECULATING, and saying, maybe he ditched it at the Albertson's. They couldn't see what he purchased, if I remember correctly from the PCA. Maybe he hid it in that huge store....IMO

That would be great as it would be found eventually.
Unfortunately the Snake River is close to his return route.

 

[ktm44]

I have wondered, if he bought the sheath and the knife separately, and if it's possible, he, at some point, RETURNED the knife. It would be the perfect place to "dispose" of it. IMO

I suspect that it would be very difficult to return the knife. The knife and sheath would have been sold together and a retailer expect them to be returned together and the knife would have shown a certain amount of wear and damage.

That particular knife has a a black coating that marks/scratches fairly quickly with use that has owners continually looking for solutions and that's without the damage I would expect to see from killing 4 people and I'm not certain that it could be cleaned up to new condition.

LE was looking for Ka-Bar knives very quickly after the murders and a returned the same knife, damaged and missing a sheath would have attracted a great deal of attention.

 

[Montecore1]

IMO it's really hard to tell from those photos because they're at different angles and so different aspects may or may not be comparable. I am not an expert, I can barely find my own car in a lot, but @Montecore1 seems to know what he's talking about, and a simple google search may help as well. I'm not sure that our inability to see the differences would be the definitive prosecution or defense support needed. I'd agree that (quoting @Montecore1 here): FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

And I'd add: since they didn't, won't the defense ask that question?

I cant see the post you quoted but to someone that is in the automotive field OR (and more importantly) if they are an expert in the FBI the differences are night and day.
As I mentioned and you quoted from my previous post that the FBI has very sophisticated methods of enhancing photos, it doesn't matter if they are at night, in motion, blurry, low resolution etc.
FWIS in court in situations like this, the Defense will indeed question, re-question and question again the incorrect and specific model that was on the APB.

EDIT to add. Any Defense team can also pay a very sophisticated photo lab to enhance pics and the video footage, just think if they did and the fleeing car ending up being 2011-13???

 

[Lava Lamp]

I mean, if you consider who we're talking about...

Per neighbors, he was up at all hours. Didn't he go running in the middle of the night according to his running friend? 11 pm could very well have been "regular hours" to him.

MOO

Ok but no stores were open the times he was spotted and pulled over.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

EDIT to add. Any Defense team can also pay a very sophisticated photo lab to enhance pics and the video footage, just think if they did and the fleeing car ending up being 2011-13???

Yowza. Excellent thought. Hello, reasonable doubt would be my guess.

 

[Justice101]

This has always bothered me...even though the two Elantras are the same platform aka 5th generation, there are significant difference in the two different models. I have been in the automotive business for over 25 years and I also do expert witness work related to automobiles, usually I am hired by the Defense.

There had to be a reason why LE chose to use the 2011-2013 platform as the Elantra they were looking for. If the two models were "so much alike" that they couldn't be differentiated they certainly would have said 2011-2015...wouldn't they? Heck they are looking for a quadruple murder suspect for Pets sake! So you would think they would indeed be very specific in their hunt for the get away car, just as they did.

We all know for a fact that the FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

It was only changed to the later model after BCK's was known to drive a white 2015 Elantra.

They probably said it wrong on purpose so as to get the word out to people to look for Elantra (these people would report everything because they couldn't tell the actual model year) yet allow BK to think LE had it wrong. You know that BK knew that there was video of his car driving around the area that night.

Good move my LE.

 

[Boxer]

This has always bothered me...even though the two Elantras are the same platform aka 5th generation, there are significant difference in the two different models. I have been in the automotive business for over 25 years and I also do expert witness work related to automobiles, usually I am hired by the Defense.

There had to be a reason why LE chose to use the 2011-2013 platform as the Elantra they were looking for. If the two models were "so much alike" that they couldn't be differentiated they certainly would have said 2011-2015...wouldn't they? Heck they are looking for a quadruple murder suspect for Pets sake! So you would think they would indeed be very specific in their hunt for the get away car, just as they did.

We all know for a fact that the FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

It was only changed to the later model after BCK's was known to drive a white 2015 Elantra.

MOO other than hubcaps I couldnt see much difference. What do you see as the visible differences?
I looked in Car Gurus to familiarize myself with the Elantra and looked at a lot of them, MOO seemed to me the 2015 was almost indistinguishable.

 

[Boxer]

Personally, at 1.7 miles away, I'd call it a stretch of a nexus, but it worked for the purposes of the PCA. 1.7 miles away sounds pretty close, until the fact that Moscow is approximately 3 x 5 miles of a town pops into the convo. Then it's a little less compelling because it's basically halfway across town. If I were the defense, I'd do that math. Add to that, the shopping centers are much, much closer than the King Road house, and I think that when those facts are considered, that particular piece of PCA is 'a stretch'. That's jmo and looking at it from the objective perspective.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

Satellite location data.
So far only tower data and a physical traffic stop have been cited.

 

[detectivewannab]

IMO it's really hard to tell from those photos because they're at different angles and so different aspects may or may not be comparable. I am not an expert, I can barely find my own car in a lot, but @Montecore1 seems to know what he's talking about, and a simple google search may help as well. I'm not sure that our inability to see the differences would be the definitive prosecution or defense support needed. I'd agree that (quoting @Montecore1 here): FBI has very sophisticated means to enhance a photo and assuming they did that, it would show a distinctive difference in the two different models, if they couldn't tell surely they would have said 2011-2015, wouldn't they??

And I'd add: since they didn't, won't the defense ask that question

Or was it done on purpose?

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Or was it done on purpose?

Potentially, but seems like a lot of resources to waste and a way to throw the defense a piece of reasonable doubt. But honestly, IDK. So many wonky things about this case, it could be one more. PS totally cute dog. like really, really cute.

 

[detectivewannab]

Ok but no stores were open the times he was spotted and pulled over.

I have been away. What is this about?

 

[Montecore1]

MOO other than hubcaps I couldnt see much difference. What do you see as the visible differences?
I looked in Car Gurus to familiarize myself with the Elantra and looked at a lot of them, MOO seemed to me the 2015 was almost indistinguishable.

Just scanning over quickly...

Front view
Different bumper shape
Different headlamp shape and larger on the 2015
2015 has wider center grill and more distinctive chrome with a wider bar
Lower grille has a different shape
The 2015's fog lights are much larger and much more distinctive than the 2011
Side view mirror caps have changed

Rear View
Deck lid on the 2015 has a deeper and more visible top lip
Larger tail lights with slightly different shape on the 2015
Body lines on the rear bumpers are different
Lower valance on the 2015 thinner and shorter
The lower reflectors are much different, the 2015 more modern and appealing

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I mean, if you consider who we're talking about...

Per neighbors, he was up at all hours. Didn't he go running in the middle of the night according to his running friend? 11 pm could very well have been "regular hours" to him.

MOO

And the area has a lot of retail, there's a Chase Bank and ATM right down the street from the shopping area, and it looks like there's fast food, etc. So IMO even if regular retail wasn't open, it's still reasonable to assume that he may have been accessing any number of other services, not to mention it was almost 2 miles from the King Street house. JMO