4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #79

[kittythehare]

It could well be a combination of both IMO.

That warrant was dated Dec30th, by then campus police would have been aware he was under the microscope and likely co-operating in full with local investigators.

Campus police executed the search warrant on Kohberger’s WSU housing and office Dec. 30 — the same day he was arrested in eastern Pennsylvania. Upon discovery of a storage closet assigned to Kohberger’s apartment, the documents showed police sought from a judge and received an amended search warrant for the closet, which was located in the same building as the student housing complex’s laundry area.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article275080871.html#storylink=cpy


KOHBERGER BANNED FROM WSU CAMPUS The WSU records also include a Dec. 30 letter to Kohberger threatening him with criminal trespassing if he again set foot on the WSU campus, signed by WSU Police Chief Gary Jenkins. Kohberger was served with the document the next day while he was held in jail in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, and includes his signature.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article275080871.html#storylink=cpy

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

This seems to be the banning story

KOHBERGER BANNED FROM WSU CAMPUS The WSU records also include a Dec. 30 letter to Kohberger threatening him with criminal trespassing if he again set foot on the WSU campus, signed by WSU Police Chief Gary Jenkins. Kohberger was served with the document the next day while he was held in jail in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, and includes his signature.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article275080871.html#storylink=cpy

One of many things that continues to disturb my sleep & I’m grateful the article brings this up again:

“It remains unclear if Kohberger, one of four finalists from his Ph.D. program according to records, received the role. Pullman police and a WSU spokesperson have declined to answer questions or provide documents related to whether Kohberger got the research position.”

 

[kittythehare]

One of many things that continues to disturb my sleep & I’m grateful the article brings this up again:

“It remains unclear if Kohberger, one of four finalists from his Ph.D. program according to records, received the role. Pullman police and a WSU spokesperson have declined to answer questions or provide documents related to whether Kohberger got the research position.”

We may never know the answer to that one... but he was good at hiding his true nature as evidenced by the traffic stop regarding the minor driving violation.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Just some thoughts, and many, many questions:

Maybe the ID prosecution doesn't have possession of these yet, as all of these were in PA: ETA, and also FBI:

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

i was watching @Tricia 's U tube earlier, it's worth a watch.
She had a really clear video of a traffic stop a few weeks before he allegedly killed everyone.
A simple traffic stop and he over questioned the most patient female cop that stopped him..
he was looking up at her at times as if he was utterly sincere, giving too much information as if he was chatting her up and asking pedantic q's about the law.
He had more time and better access to the law than she had, he still strung it out..

Dude is very very sharp.

I don't know if I would perceive him as sharp. If I didn't know he was charged with quadruple homicide, I would think he's a saddo who has gone beyond trying to evade a traffic violation ticket and was into the territory of trying to conversationally / time hijack the officer.

Sometimes people do that because they're so lonely they don't have any other way of engaging people. Sometimes they do it because they're not neurotypical and they get 'stuck' in questioning mode. Sometimes they do it because they find the other person attractive and hope to prolong the conversation. Many reasons.

Sociopaths and narcissists do it to test how long they can force you to engage with them before you assert a boundary.

JMO MOO

 

[Sleuth2010]

Just some thoughts, and many, many questions:

Maybe the ID prosecution doesn't have possession of these yet, as all of these were in PA: ETA, and also FBI:
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GUILTY as charged.


- --- --moo imo lmnop.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That warrant was dated Dec30th, by then campus police would have been aware he was under the microscope and likely co-operating in full with local investigators.

Campus police executed the search warrant on Kohberger’s WSU housing and office Dec. 30 — the same day he was arrested in eastern Pennsylvania. Upon discovery of a storage closet assigned to Kohberger’s apartment, the documents showed police sought from a judge and received an amended search warrant for the closet, which was located in the same building as the student housing complex’s laundry area.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article275080871.html#storylink=cpy


KOHBERGER BANNED FROM WSU CAMPUS The WSU records also include a Dec. 30 letter to Kohberger threatening him with criminal trespassing if he again set foot on the WSU campus, signed by WSU Police Chief Gary Jenkins. Kohberger was served with the document the next day while he was held in jail in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, and includes his signature.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article275080871.html#storylink=cpy

Thanks for the links @kittythehare, good stuff.

 

[kittythehare]

I've actually never watched a criminal Prelim (or heard of one) in which the Defense insisted there was missing exculpatory evidence but that they didn't know in what way it was exculpatory. I can imagine certain scenarios that *could* apply in this case, though they would be rare.

EXACTLY THIS.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't know if I would perceive him as sharp. If I didn't know he was charged with quadruple homicide, I would think he's a saddo who has gone beyond trying to evade a traffic violation ticket and was into the territory of trying to conversationally / time hijack the officer.

Sometimes people do that because they're so lonely they don't have any other way of engaging people. Sometimes they do it because they're not neurotypical and they get 'stuck' in questioning mode. Sometimes they do it because they find the other person attractive and hope to prolong the conversation. Many reasons.

Sociopaths and narcissists do it to test how long they can force you to engage with them before you assert a boundary.

JMO MOO

"time hijack"

Interesting way to put it.

He "time hijacked" his neighbor. Neighbor said he was not charming but he was chatty. Too chatty. It was hard to get away from him because he would keep talking so the neighbor tried to avoid him.

Seems once he got into a position of actual authority he held a "captive audience" who couldn't get away from him by simply avoiding him.

Powder keg.

His students were forced to "go over his head."

(Complain to the actual Professor)

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

"time hijack"

Interesting way to put it.

He "time hijacked" his neighbor. Neighbor said he was not charming but he was chatty. Too chatty. It was hard to get away from him because he would keep talking so the neighbor tried to avoid him.

Seems once he got into a position of actual authority he held a "captive audience" who couldn't get away from him by simply avoiding him.

Powder keg.

It's pretty sad in some ways as obviously now we think of him as this alleged evil murderer (which he may well be) and we find out other stuff about his character that doesn't sound great but in any other context one would imagine he's desperately lonely, socially inept, not very self-aware, and struggling with lack of meaningful rewarding mutually reciprocal relationships.

The two are not mutually exclusive of course and it is often said that people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (if one believes in such a diagnosis) suffer from intense loneliness and bouts of deep shame when their inadequacies hit them.

JMO MOO

 

[Kstate96]

"time hijack"

Interesting way to put it.

I don't know if I would perceive him as sharp. If I didn't know he was charged with quadruple homicide, I would think he's a saddo who has gone beyond trying to evade a traffic violation ticket and was into the territory of trying to conversationally / time hijack the officer.

Sometimes people do that because they're so lonely they don't have any other way of engaging people. Sometimes they do it because they're not neurotypical and they get 'stuck' in questioning mode. Sometimes they do it because they find the other person attractive and hope to prolong the conversation. Many reasons.

Sociopaths and narcissists do it to test how long they can force you to engage with them before you assert a boundary.

JMO MOO

I’ve always called it conversation kidnapped lol glad to know there’s an actual term

 

[schooling]

Dude is very very sharp.

He drove his car to commit a quadruple murder
He gives off Dunning Kruger vibes more than anything else.

 

[kittythehare]

He drove his car to commit a quadruple murder
He gives off Dunning Kruger vibes more than anything else.

I was referring to this.
Did you get to watch it at all?
It's very good.

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[schooling]

I was referring to this.
Did you get to watch it at all?
It's very good.

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I watched it. It reminds me of every other video of note (in hindsight) for this sort of thing. Pedestrian filled with questions. Monotone cop going through the motions, again.

She seemed bored. As if she’s heard the legal questions he's asking from a million other people she’s pulled over. IMO that’s where the perception of patience is coming.

His fish out of water tale is what likely convinced her to not issue him a ticket. But in another 6 months of being in WA that probably wouldn’t have worked

If he wasnt accused of a quadrupole murder this stop would he rather uneventful.

MOO.

 

[Sundog]

KOHBERGER BANNED FROM WSU CAMPUS The WSU records also include a Dec. 30 letter to Kohberger threatening him with criminal trespassing if he again set foot on the WSU campus

<snipped for focus>

IIRC, the Trespass letter from WSU indicated that he was trespassed from campus until the completion of the Student Conduct review, and then still likely based on the likely results of the review. It is a qualified trespass notification at this stage.

Also, we don't know what the reasons for the Student Conduct case are, we have been speculating on here that it could be due to his altercations with his professor(s) or something else related to his performance/behavior at WSU.

 

[Warwick7]

He drove his car to commit a quadruple murder
He gives off Dunning Kruger vibes more than anything else.

I agree.

KB overestimated his ability and knowledge of what he set out to do.

This is a man who makes three initial passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leaves. We've all read the AA this rsidential neighborhood has very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during
the early morning hours.

KB comes back and can be seen entering the area a fourth time about 4:04 am.
He can be seen driving, turning around and then driving back on King Road. Then of all things he unsuccessfully attempted to turn around in the road......After which he's next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at 4:20 am at a high rate of speed.

Now let's throw in turning off his phone, using airplane mode and cell pings...

Yeah, Dunning Kruger vibes is right on target.
:0/

 

[kittythehare]

<snipped for focus>

IIRC, the Trespass letter from WSU indicated that he was trespassed from campus until the completion of the Student Conduct review, and then still likely based on the likely results of the review. It is a qualified trespass notification at this stage.

Also, we don't know what the reasons for the Student Conduct case are, we have been speculating on here that it could be due to his altercations with his professor(s) or something else related to his performance/behavior at WSU.

I assumed it was solely because campus police had been assisting local lE, knew he was chief suspect and knew why because it was dated the day of his arrest?

 

[Vaderman]

I really don't understand what he did to be pulled over.

 

[U.N. Known]

Discovery can go on right up to and through trial based upon lots of things. I don't think the Prosecution here is intentionally withholding evidence from the Defense. These motions from the Defense are broad <modsnip> IMO, but hey if they don't ask, they don't get it usually.

I'll be curious to see how the Judge rules on these.

MOO

IMO, the prosecution team absolutely is intentionally withholding evidence.

Four of the six requests on the Motion to Compel are from the 1st Supplemental Request for Discovery. That request was filed "on or about" February 23. Half of those requests are LE records. Both of the requests from the 2nd Supplemental Request for Discovery ("on or about March 24") the Motion are LE records.

The prosecution has provided copious amounts of evidence to the defense team, per their request. However, since they have not have provided the six pieces of evidence, requested months ago, what else are we to assume, but that for reasons of their own, the prosecution has deliberately avoided providing the evidence to the PD's office? .

 

[Sundog]

I assumed it was solely because campus police had been assisting local lE, knew he was chief suspect and knew why because it was dated the day of his arrest?

Would a state agency be able to expel someone for being a suspect before s/he was found guilty? I don't think so. I am familiar with state agencies like universities that place faculty and staff on administrative leave while facing criminal charges, but not sure how that is handled within the divsion of student affairs.