4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #79

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Thanks, @sds71, you're the best !

Reading the murder counts in the indictment is chilling. There must have been many compelling pieces of evidence for the grand jurors to have signed this indictment, IMO.

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Thanks, @gliving ! Wowza, lots of new documents, including the one denying the media's request to reconsider lifting the gag order, and one on courtroom conduct signed by Judge John. A Judge ! Judge Judge ! :)
 
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I am feeling grammatically triggered by that first document.

"media outlets transcended upon the Vandal community..."

I think "descended upon" is what they were looking for. Media outlets don't transcend, imo. I wish I had a "deep sigh" emoji.

IMO.
 
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What witness(es) would you think there are?

Are these any and all witnesses (like phone experts, forensic DNA specialists, etc.) or more like eye witnesses DH, etc?
 
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So, the actual name of the Judge presiding over the arraignment and the Order to Seal Grand Jury Witnesses is John Judge?!

"NOTICE IS GIVEN That the above-entitled case is set for:
Hearing Type Date Time Judge
Arraignment - District Court 05/22/2023 9:00 AM John Judge
at the: Latah County Courthouse, 522 S. Adams, Moscow, ID 83843-0568."


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I think this document confirms the order in which the victims were each murdered. M, K, X, E.

jmo
Is this normally the case for indictments with multiple counts of murder?
 
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What witness(es) would you think there are?

Are these any and all witnesses (like phone experts, forensic DNA specialists, etc.) or more like eye witnesses DH, etc?

All kinds of forensic specialists plus investigators. As @Sister Golden Hair established, they had records from Ka-Bar that led to retailers in the PA region. They likely have evidence as to the knife purchase - so that would be a witness statement from the person leading that investigation.

If the ID of one of the victims was found in the car (is that what led to PA LE opening a broader investigation?), then I would expect some investigator would testify to that. There would be phone experts (and that would establish if there really were pictures of MM on the phone - the Grand Jury would be shown those pictures).

I don't think they had either roommate there, as I believe that's exactly what they were trying to avoid. They didn't need to be there, they were needed for the PCA.

Aside from forensic DNA, there could be forensic radiology and forensic footprint analysis. There could also be forensic hair analysis. The part of the investigation that focused on the car would likely have its lead investigator as a witness.

Someone would have to introduce the neighbors' audio and visual evidence. I do wonder how many cameras, ultimately, captured that Elantra around Moscow before, during and after the crime.

And I expect that are bombshells all over the place (including the autopsy records).

IMO.
 
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So, the actual name of the Judge presiding over the arraignment and the Order to Seal Grand Jury Witnesses is John Judge?!

"NOTICE IS GIVEN That the above-entitled case is set for:
Hearing Type Date Time Judge
Arraignment - District Court 05/22/2023 9:00 AM John Judge
at the: Latah County Courthouse, 522 S. Adams, Moscow, ID 83843-0568."


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Good catch!

Apparently there is such a judge:


Finally, a judge's name that I can easily remember!
 
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So, the actual name of the Judge presiding over the arraignment and the Order to Seal Grand Jury Witnesses is John Judge?!

"NOTICE IS GIVEN That the above-entitled case is set for:
Hearing Type Date Time Judge
Arraignment - District Court 05/22/2023 9:00 AM John Judge
at the: Latah County Courthouse, 522 S. Adams, Moscow, ID 83843-0568."


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Yes, and he also signed the courtroom conduct order. His professional title and last name are interchangeable : )
 
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I am feeling grammatically triggered by that first document.

"media outlets transcended upon the Vandal community..."

I think "descended upon" is what they were looking for. Media outlets don't transcend, imo. I wish I had a "deep sigh" emoji.

IMO.
Agree, but I think this is the ruling that I like the best. (Because) Mr G. stated: "We are just grateful another step in the process has been completed and we believe this was the best option for the circumstances," Steve Goncalves, the father of Kaylee, said in a statement to ABC News Wednesday." Seems to indicate to me that he's well aware that he's allowed to speak to the press (even if his attorney isn't)

As per the post by @Twistinginthewind
 
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Yes, and he also signed the courtroom conduct order. His professional title and last name are interchangeable : )
I wonder if he used to say when he was little "when I grow up I want to be a judge".
 
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Agree, but I think this is the ruling that I like the best. (Because) Mr G. stated: "We are just grateful another step in the process has been completed and we believe this was the best option for the circumstances," Steve Goncalves, the father of Kaylee, said in a statement to ABC News Wednesday." Seems to indicate to me that he's well aware that he's allowed to speak to the press (even if his attorney isn't)

As per the post by @Twistinginthewind

I'm confused - I wasn't posting at all bout SG. I too am very glad that SG is now aware he can speak to the press (although he probably has no more information at this time, than we do, beyond what he learned before the gag order). Of course, he could have talked to PA and WA persons who might know things.

I too read the post about SG, but my point was that vocabulary errors early in a legal document frustrate me. A lot.
 
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I wonder if he used to say when he was little "when I grow up I want to be a judge".
And his parents would reply, "you're already a Judge, but if you want to do that when you grow up, you can become a judge in more than name."
 
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Thanks, @gliving ! Wowza, lots of new documents, including the one denying the media's request to reconsider lifting the gag order, and one on courtroom conduct signed by Judge John. A Judge ! Judge Judge ! :)
Presiding is Judge John Judge (JJJ). :)
 
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