4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

[Boxer]

Entirely possible that's where he honed his stealth. Late at night when everyone else was asleep. No reason for him to find home to be restrictive. IMO it's where he first learned to get inside his head. Guessing it was there where he first nurtured his creepy, revengeful fantasies.

JMO

Agree. Drug addiction and B&E go together so often. I think it’s very possible he drive around at night and committed burglaries.

 

[RonSwanson33]

Thanks @BeginnerSleuther and @Sister Golden Hair
Y'all beat me in posting the obvious answer

IMO it's not obvious...it would be obvious it is BK's print since it's in the PCA

 

[I'm Nobody]

snip for focus
There is no evidence of crimes by him in PA.

YET. Apparently PA cold cases are under review for possible links.
IMO Washington wasn't BK's first time stalking women.

Pennsylvania cold cases under review for possible links to Bryan Kohberger

Kohberger was arrested at his parents’ Albrightsville home on Dec. 30.

nypost.com

'Is his name out there?' Authorities search unsolved cases for links to Idaho murder suspect

Authorities in at least two Pennsylvania counties where Bryan Kohberger went to college have made no connection to cold cases.

www.king5.com

 

[10ofRods]

Entirely possible that's where he honed his stealth. Late at night when everyone else was asleep. No reason for him to find home to be restrictive. IMO it's where he first learned to get inside his head. Guessing it was there where he first nurtured his creepy, revengeful fantasies.

JMO

Agree - and think we'll eventually find out this is true.

Parents with a 28 year old man living at home are not capable of being completely "watchful."

An awful lot of criminals hone their skills while still living at home. The below article (abstract available) is from a journal in criminology.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1992.tb01114.x

We don't know exactly the age at which BK started criminal behavior, but the TAT posts show him at age 16-17 already admitting to violent offenses. I realize that's self-report and can be weak. But then he begins to use heroin (a felony). While living at home. As most young offenders do:

Breaking Bad: Mechanisms of Social Influence and the Path to Criminality in Juvenile Jails

Abstract. I conduct a series of tests of peer influence in juvenile incarceration facilities motivated by three mechanisms: criminal skill transfer, the formation of new criminal networks, and the social contagion of crime-oriented noncognitive factors. Identifying peer influence off natural...

direct.mit.edu

 

[10ofRods]

IMO it's not obvious...it would be obvious it is BK's print since it's in the PCA

That's if you trust LE and the PCA, which WS is known for. Yet, there are daily arguments against the facts of the PCA and I don't know why. So, it's not obvious to me, either.

LE believes the print is BK's or they wouldn't have brought it before the judge. And, judges do not just look at paper. They talk to the prosecutor. The Judge had seen the autopsies. The Judge had seen way more evidence and the Judge helped pare it down to the minimum necessary. IMO. Unless he or she was a weird judge. They don't just look at a paper and make decision in a case like this. Or, hopefully, in any case.

Speech acts are involved. Phone calls. In chambers. Strategy. The judge doesn't want either side to be disadvantaged in a case, so makes sure that the PCA is the minimum needed (so as not to give all these other people access to the inside of the case, before it goes to trial).

LE states that BK is the one with the shoe print. Full stop.

IMO>

 

[10ofRods]

Agree. Drug addiction and B&E go together so often. I think it’s very possible he drive around at night and committed burglaries.

Opinion:

Several of us are on the same page. His nocturnal habits didn't start at age 28+, when he moved to Pullman (where he annoys the neighbors with being awake and very active at night; even going running in the middle of the night). He's nocturnal.

And I asked yesterday where people think he got his money for heroin. It's not cheap. His parents gave him an allowance? He has had **no known jobs,** ever - until TA'ing. Journalists digging for more info on BK every day, but no employment history (because he had none). So where does the money for the heroin come from?

IMO.

If someone can post his employment history, I'd be much obliged.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

True, but the search warrant has to include specifics between place to be searched, things or person to be seized, and nexus to crime. They can't just search for whatevs. In this case, the search warrant includes '5. limited to dark shirt(s),dark pant(s), mask(s),shoes with diamond pattern sole." This is one reason why, IMO JMO, the PCA would have included the best possible evidence re the shoe print, not the weakest link in the chain, and one of the reasons for my questions about how one latent print, only found on second pass appeared in the PCA and no others. If they had better evidence, they'd have brought it instead of this fairly lame (no pun intended) piece imo jmo. I have theories, but so far, nothing more IMO JMO

search warrant

www.law.cornell.edu

Kohberger warrant

www.documentcloud.org

Right and no one said they didn't SUSPECT that BK had those shoes. The poster said he/she wasn't aware that it was established BK had shoes like that. To which someone else asked why it would be in the PCA if they weren't his. So what I'm saying is that at the time of writing the PCA, LE didn't know if those were BK's or if BK had those shoes. As far as I know, it still hasn't been established LE found the shoes and thanks to the gag order, we won't know for a while yet.

 

[Dotta]

YET. Apparently PA cold cases are under review for possible links.
IMO Washington wasn't BK's first time stalking women.

Pennsylvania cold cases under review for possible links to Bryan Kohberger

Kohberger was arrested at his parents’ Albrightsville home on Dec. 30.

nypost.com

'Is his name out there?' Authorities search unsolved cases for links to Idaho murder suspect

Authorities in at least two Pennsylvania counties where Bryan Kohberger went to college have made no connection to cold cases.

www.king5.com

I doubt he commited murder/s while living in family home.

And, the moment he (allegedly) slaughtered 4 people in Idaho - meant that (if not caught) he would have relished living on his own, doing what he wanted: (allegedly) stalking, murdering.

Far from parents' eyes.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

He may not have told them he lost the position. Consider this, he lived at home till 30 (29 I think). He might have planned to say, I am so homesick there, I want to stay home. Or, "there are so many drugs around the campus, I can relapse", or something else. I think he would have presented it as his decision.
He always lived at home, and the only time he left, and lived in another state for - what, four months? - he now stands accused of killing four people. I was thinking about it, what a huge failure living outside parental home turned out to be for him.
As to returning home being a failure, yes, in a way, but these days, about 16% of adult US citizens live under the same roof with their parents, so it is less surprising.

P.S. knowing how surprisingly little it costs to be in a pH.D. program in the US, potentially, he could have asked parents to support him until he'd find another job. I don't know if the financial part would be unsurmountable for them, but in contrast to Master's that is expensive, PH.D. is usually room and board and books. He would not have been kicked out of the program for failing TA, I presume. Maybe I am wrong, but usually pH.D programs are exceptionally supportive of their students.

Census Bureau Releases New Estimates on America’s Families and Living Arrangements

The U.S. Census Bureau today released estimates showing there were 10.9 million one-parent family groups with a child under the age of 18 in 2022.

www.census.gov

Your experiences and knowledge of Ph.D. programs must be quite different from mine.

Bryan is and was 28 years old. He won't turn 29 until November of this year, so he had just turned 28 at the time of the crimes and was 27 when he moved to Pullman.

2022 University of Idaho murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

OK but I don't think they would put it in there if it weren't relevant.

Relevant to their investigation, sure. But we haven't heard any evidence yet (that I'm aware of) that they've located the shoe or one like it and/or BK had shoes consistent with the pattern/brand.

 

[TL4S]

Perhaps that specific latent shoe print was indicated in the PCA because it clearly belonged to the man dressed in black and a mask who DM described. In the search warrant items listed above, the diamond-patterned shoe is listed with other dark clothing and mask. The print supports the specific location, direction, and description of the man given by the eye-witness, so while there could have been other diamond-patterned show prints in the house, that particular one showed the likely killer was, in fact, the man DM saw walking towards the exit.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Right and no one said they didn't SUSPECT that BK had those shoes. The poster said he/she wasn't aware that it was established BK had shoes like that. To which someone else asked why it would be in the PCA if they weren't his. So what I'm saying is that at the time of writing the PCA, LE didn't know if those were BK's or if BK had those shoes. As far as I know, it still hasn't been established LE found the shoes and thanks to the gag order, we won't know for a while yet.

I agree that they didn't know, and I wasn't arguing with you. My point was that the reason the soles mattered for the search warrant.

 

[Dotta]

but no employment history (because he had none). So where does the money for the heroin come from?

IMO.

If someone can post his employment history, I'd be much obliged.

1. Worked in pizza restaurant
2. Worked as security guy at school

Links in threads - many of them

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Perhaps that specific latent shoe print was indicated in the PCA because it clearly belonged to the man dressed in black and a mask who DM described. In the search warrant items listed above, the diamond-patterned shoe is listed with other dark clothing and mask. The print supports the specific location, direction, and description of the man given by the eye-witness, so while there could have been other diamond-patterned show prints in the house, that particular one showed the likely killer was, in fact, the man DM saw walking towards the exit.

like I said, in WA, bring your most compelling evidence. imo jmo ime

 

[Montecore1]

Relevant to their investigation, sure. But we haven't heard any evidence yet (that I'm aware of) that they've located the shoe or one like it and/or BK had shoes consistent with the pattern/brand.

There isn't any...

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

LE states that BK is the one with the shoe print. Full stop.

IMO>

Snipped for focus. I don't believe LE stated it, at least not in the PCA. We can maybe argue it was suggested, but definitely not stated. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I agree that they didn't know, and I wasn't arguing with you. My point was that the reason the soles mattered for the search warrant.

Apologies, didn't mean to imply you were arguing. Just wanted to make my point clear and misunderstood what you were saying.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

What a terribly disturbed individual we are beginning to discover. It just gets worse and worse. It's like in the last few years his mind and personality have been getting more and more out of control. Was there ever a point at which he could have changed for the better, I wonder? I think psychiatrists will be studying him for a long long time. For myself, as a mother, I feel a lot of sadness for what might have been, and wonder what went so terribly wrong.

I agree. It's interesting that the first time BK has real power within a situation (being a TA who could grade undergraduate work), he fails quickly and spectacularly.

 

[10ofRods]

OK but I don't think they would put it in there if it weren't relevant.

LE is claiming it's relevant. You are right. That's why it's in the PCA. No other individual is named.

They want the Judge's permission to go look for those shoes (or receipts or anything else that ties BK to the shoes or to other aspects of the murders).

Judge said yes. I'm not second guessing the Judge.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

I agree. It's interesting that the first time BK has real power within a situation (being a TA who could grade undergraduate work), he fails quickly and spectacularly.

Isn't it amazing? I truly have never seen anything like this.

I do wonder if his PIP included getting psychological help. It's possible.

But it's more likely that it was designed to get rid of him - posing some simple tasks related to norming his grades (to ensure he wasn't biased; to ensure he was grading alongside his peers, etc - they probably put the onus on him to figure out how to do it properly under the community standards of WSU and that program).

He couldn't do it.

IMO.