4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

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  • #381
Time of Arrival?
... In larger metropolitan areas or cities, the detectives appear to come right behind patrol and focus on canvassing after a quick look at the scene
snipped for focus @gizmobtj
Good observation, re big city detectives arriving at crime scene promptly.

Seems occasionally Lt. Detective Friday on Dragnet would show up before the perp left. I think once Columbo arrived before the murder even happened. That's L.A. for ya.
[J/K. Wink]
 
  • #382
The print immediately prior to the print outside DM's door may well have been seen in the luminol phase, but until they interviewed DM, they didn't realize they need to bring in Amido black to see if there was yet another latent print there (and there was). And there's probably another Amido black enhanced print pointing toward the exit, as LE seems certain he went in and out through the slider (that seems to be what they think and it makes sense).
RSBM
Thank you. Your explanation does make it logical that there could only be one print that they used Amido black on - because the others were possibly patent or had been identified with luminol. If all they needed was verification that a person had walked by DM's door they could have treated that small area with the Amido black and come up with the one print they needed for verification.
Lol, trying for patience.
 
  • #383
I must have missed the report that BCK owns Vans shoes, thats interesting. Can you provide the source and link stating that as fact please?
Why would it be in the PCA if they weren't BK's?
 
  • #384
I agree.

Besides, living with parents at the age of nearly 30 might be considered a failure for him.
And the word "failure" seemed not to exist in his dictionary.

Again in family home?
Sorry, this ship has already sailed away into the horizon.

JMO

He may not have told them he lost the position. Consider this, he lived at home till 30 (29 I think). He might have planned to say, I am so homesick there, I want to stay home. Or, "there are so many drugs around the campus, I can relapse", or something else. I think he would have presented it as his decision.
He always lived at home, and the only time he left, and lived in another state for - what, four months? - he now stands accused of killing four people. I was thinking about it, what a huge failure living outside parental home turned out to be for him.
As to returning home being a failure, yes, in a way, but these days, about 16% of adult US citizens live under the same roof with their parents, so it is less surprising.

P.S. knowing how surprisingly little it costs to be in a pH.D. program in the US, potentially, he could have asked parents to support him until he'd find another job. I don't know if the financial part would be unsurmountable for them, but in contrast to Master's that is expensive, PH.D. is usually room and board and books. He would not have been kicked out of the program for failing TA, I presume. Maybe I am wrong, but usually pH.D programs are exceptionally supportive of their students.

 
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  • #385
Why would it be in the PCA if they weren't BK's?

By the same token, if they knew it was BK's, they would have spelled that out in the PCA like they did with the car, IMO.

The PCA says:
"The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedroom (located on second floor). This is consistent with D.M.'s statement regarding the suspect's path of travel."

Makes no mention of the pair being consistent with a pair of shoes the suspect wears/wore.
 
  • #386
He may not have told them he lost the position. Consider this, he lived at home till 30 (29 I think). He might have planned to say, I am so homesick there, I want to stay home. Or, "there are so many drugs around the campus, I can relapse", or something else. I think he would have presented it as his decision.
He always lived at home, and the only time he left, and lived in another state for - what, four months? - he now stands accused of killing four people. I was thinking about it, what a huge failure living outside parental home turned out to be for him.
As to the failure, yes, in a way, but these days, about 16% of adult US citizens live under the same roof with their parents, so not that surprising.

P.S. knowing how surprisingly little it costs to be in a pH.D. program in the US, potentially, he could have asked parents to support him until he'd find another job. I don't know if the financial part would be unsurmountable for them, but in contrast to Master's that is expensive, PH.D. is usually room and board and books. He would not have been kicked out of the program for failing TA, I presume. Maybe I am wrong, but usually pH.D programs are exceptionally supportive of their students.

Hmmm
So, do you think that he would indulge in his criminal hobby living in family home with watchful parents?
 
  • #387
But why was the shoe print "latent"?

If fresh, it should have been visible, no?

Was it trampled by those who came to investigate?
MOO By the time he walked out toward the exit the blood was “walked off” to the point it wasn’t readily visible.
MOO he really incapacitated them quickly and drew back.
 
  • #388
By the same token, if they knew it was BK's, they would have spelled that out in the PCA, IMO.

The PCA says:
"The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedroom (located on second floor). This is consistent with D.M.'s statement regarding the suspect's path of travel."

Makes no mention of the pair being consistent with a pair of shoes the suspect wears/wore.

True, but the search warrant has to include specifics between place to be searched, things or person to be seized, and nexus to crime. They can't just search for whatevs. In this case, the search warrant includes '5. limited to dark shirt(s),dark pant(s), mask(s),shoes with diamond pattern sole." This is one reason why, IMO JMO, the PCA would have included the best possible evidence re the shoe print, not the weakest link in the chain, and one of the reasons for my questions about how one latent print, only found on second pass appeared in the PCA and no others. If they had better evidence, they'd have brought it instead of this fairly lame (no pun intended) piece imo jmo. I have theories, but so far, nothing more IMO JMO



 
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  • #389
We don't know where he stepped into the blood. We don't know how much blood was around when he stepped in it (I'm pressed by the fact that his entire footprint is pretty much visible - some 20 feet away from Xana's room). I don't know what kind of carpeting might have been in Xana's room - maybe someone remembers? Was there carpeting or wood or laminate?
RSBM

The whole house looks to be laminate, based on the zillow pictures (in the photo album linked in the post on page one of each thread). Of course, these pictures were taken when the house was empty, so it doesn't rule out the possibility of a housemate having some kind of decorative rug by their bed or something, but no big swathes of carpeting. Very, very good surface for prints being left by someone tracking blood, and very good surface for techs recovering those prints, visible or latent.

MOO
 
  • #390
Hmmm
So, do you think that he would indulge in his criminal hobby living in family home with watchful parents?
There are killers that go home to family every day. Not every murderer is completely disconnected from all humanity. Many have parents, siblings, partners, and children they interact with and live with and appear relatively 'normal'.

MOO
 
  • #391
Hmmm
So, do you think that he would indulge in his criminal hobby living in family home with watchful parents?

I would not be surprised if BK murdered again, had he not been caught. Plenty of killers live at home with families.

We really do not know how many belongings BK left behind in Pullman. Some people travel pretty light-maybe enough to fit in a Hyundai Elantra? He came out in the car, did he ship anything? Was housing furnished? He was going to be home for a month, maybe he brought most of his clothes. Most people I know have laptops, rather than PCs with towers. I saw the stuff they carried out with the search warrant, maybe he had two computers. I would not leave the computer I used in Washington even if I planned on returning in a month. I take my laptop home each night from work, even if I am going in the next day. I think BK may have assumed he was not going to be caught, and somehow ignored the handwriting on the wall regarding the TA position and funding for school. Zero self awareness.
 
  • #392
There are killers that go home to family every day. Not every murderer is completely disconnected from all humanity. Many have parents, siblings, wives, and children they interact with and live with and appear relatively 'normal'.

MOO
And yet, in his case, he crossed the whole country to be (allegedly) free to, at last, indulge in his obsessions.

There is no evidence of crimes by him in PA.
 
  • #393
Why would it be in the PCA if they weren't BK's?

By the same token, if they knew it was BK's, they would have spelled that out in the PCA like they did with the car, IMO.

The PCA says:
"The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedroom (located on second floor). This is consistent with D.M.'s statement regarding the suspect's path of travel."

Makes no mention of the pair being consistent with a pair of shoes the suspect wears/wore.

True, but the search warrant has to include specifics between place to be searched, things or person to be seized, and nexus to crime. They can't just search for whatevs. In this case, the search warrant includes '5. limited to dark shirt(s),dark pant(s), mask(s),shoes with diamond pattern sole." This is one reason why, IMO JMO, the PCA would have included the best possible evidence re the shoe print, not the weakest link in the chain, and one of the reasons for my questions about how one latent print, only found on second pass appeared in the PCA and no others. If they had better evidence, they'd have brought it instead of this fairly lame (no pun intended) piece imo jmo. I have theories, but so far, nothing more IMO JMO
Thanks @BeginnerSleuther and @Sister Golden Hair
Y'all beat me in posting the obvious answer to that question... :D
 
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Also, @BeginnerSleuther, one add'l bit of info re the search warrant - it was Washington state, and WA has greater expectations around privacy, so LE needed to be careful.

here is the link to 4A

WA State:

there's lots of case law that digs in, but I'll save us all from that. I'll just give an example: roadblocks aren't legal in WA.


For a WA state search warrant, LE needed to bring best evidence imo jmo and ime
 
  • #395
So he was completely done with WSU? If not arrested he still wasn't going back because he was fired as TA?

Then that is probably why his dad flew out to help him drive his car back home to Pennsylvania. No need to keep his car in Pullman if not going back to WSU.

I wonder what he was planning to do?

Odd that he left his fire stick and computer tower behind. Maybe to lead his father into believing things were okay>

Dunno. Not even an opinion, really, just a question.

IMO>
 
  • #396
Hmmm
So, do you think that he would indulge in his criminal hobby living in family home with watchful parents?
Entirely possible that's where he honed his stealth. Late at night when everyone else was asleep. No reason for him to find home to be restrictive. IMO it's where he first learned to get inside his head. Guessing it was there where he first nurtured his creepy, revengeful fantasies.

JMO
 
  • #397
Someone asked about dates for his firing process. Supposedly, he recd notice that he was not meeting expectations Oct. 21, 2022. On Nov. 12, he recd a PIP (Performance Improvement Plan).

The murders occurred during the morning hours of Nov. 13.

The source may be News Nation via Ashley Bansfield. It was unclear to me, so please consider as JMO.
This was later corrected to Nov. 2–not 12 and folks are arguing about whether it’s true or not.
 
  • #398
By the same token, if they knew it was BK's, they would have spelled that out in the PCA like they did with the car, IMO.

The PCA says:
"The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedroom (located on second floor). This is consistent with D.M.'s statement regarding the suspect's path of travel."

Makes no mention of the pair being consistent with a pair of shoes the suspect wears/wore.
OK but I don't think they would put it in there if it weren't relevant.
 
  • #399
BK must really have showed poor professional skills to be reprimanded within the first!! month of his new academic stint. And he is no spring chicken as a grad student, he is a full adult.

I can only wonder if he knew he was being canned at his Dec 9 mtg, or if he thought the riff would blow over after the holiday break.
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Did he find out via email on 20 Dec of his relief of duties when he was in PA? When did he clean his car out? take trash out. Maybe this was his first inkling that he had an uphill battle going back to WA after break (besides his other problem...)
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Did he share any of his performance TA debacle with Dad?

Imagine his faculty advisor and the end of year team that decided to can him, when they found out 10 days later that he was captured during the night as suspect. I bet they shuttered, what great instincts they had!
I think his preoccupation with committing murder combined with his in-person behavior being "off" (which had been masked when getting his master's online) meant he never fit into the program at WSU.

As someone without insight into himself, he was not going to be able to remedy that lack of fit. I also think it was a mutual poor fit over and above his multitude of issues.

I wish something could have been done to stop him from acting out his fantasies on that November night.

All we can do now is hope he pays for his crimes. It's beyond tragic.

MOO
 
  • #400
Odd that he left his fire stick and computer tower behind. Maybe to lead his father into believing things were okay>

Dunno. Not even an opinion, really, just a question.

IMO>
He wasn’t notified until he got home. It doesn’t appear his father knew at the time of the police stops in Indiana.
 
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