4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 72

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  • #581
Oh gosh, I hate to ask, but does anyone have a link handy about BCK working in a pizza restaurant? TIA — I’ve missed something because I don’t have that in my notes. SMH.

Again, TIA & feel free to ignore if this has already been answered! I’m a bit behind because we’re finally having some glorious sun on the Palouse.
I’ve just googled to check this, because I thought he ate pizza at a vegan restaurant where two of the girls worked. I don’t know anything about him working at a pizza place, though.

 
  • #582
Oh gosh, I hate to ask, but does anyone have a link handy about BCK working in a pizza restaurant? TIA — I’ve missed something because I don’t have that in my notes. SMH.

Again, TIA & feel free to ignore if this has already been answered! I’m a bit behind because we’re finally having some glorious sun on the Palouse.
This is the only MSM article I have seen mentioning BK had a job at a pizza place, and it was in PA, and only "allegedly" as stated by a friend, i.e., his former employer has not confirmed in MSM AFAIK:

"Rich Pasqua, who said he is a former acquaintance of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger, recalled the interactions they had and the behavior Kohberger displayed.

Pasqua told Fox News host Lawrence Jones on Saturday's "Cross Country" that Kohberger was just your "average guy."

"I met him through some friends and they told me that he was a little weird and he was a little socially awkward, I guess you could say, but he wasn't a bad guy," Pasqua said. "He needed a job, so I worked at a pizza shop at that time and they were hiring and I said, ‘Yeah, come on in and apply.’ And he did, and he got the job. So I worked with him for a little bit, but he was quiet, though." "


Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger's former friend speaks out on social behavior, alleged drug use
 
  • #583
This is the only MSM article I have seen mentioning BK had a job at a pizza place, and it was in PA, and only "allegedly" as stated by a friend, i.e., his former employer has not confirmed in MSM AFAIK:

"Rich Pasqua, who said he is a former acquaintance of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger, recalled the interactions they had and the behavior Kohberger displayed.

Pasqua told Fox News host Lawrence Jones on Saturday's "Cross Country" that Kohberger was just your "average guy."

"I met him through some friends and they told me that he was a little weird and he was a little socially awkward, I guess you could say, but he wasn't a bad guy," Pasqua said. "He needed a job, so I worked at a pizza shop at that time and they were hiring and I said, ‘Yeah, come on in and apply.’ And he did, and he got the job. So I worked with him for a little bit, but he was quiet, though." "


Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger's former friend speaks out on social behavior, alleged drug use
Thank you for filling that gap.
 
  • #584
Oh well
As I come from another country, continent even,
this American system is completely new to me.

So, bear with me :)
"Cultural differences" are true after all
The US higher education system is massively different than those in other countries, so it is definitely understandable that you wouldn’t know its intricacies if you’ve never worked in a US university. I’ve worked as a faculty member at 3 universities in the US, and one each in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. The US system is so much different from the other three I’ve experienced. Happy to answer any questions about the US system if you ever have them! :)
 
  • #585
Oh gosh, I hate to ask, but does anyone have a link handy about BCK working in a pizza restaurant? TIA — I’ve missed something because I don’t have that in my notes. SMH. Again, TIA & feel free to ignore if this has already been answered! I’m a bit behind because we’re finally having some glorious sun on the Palouse.


Someone was kind enough to just post it to me a couple of hours ago - it's in the interview with his high school friend.
 
  • #586
I am assuming that BK is the type who can come across very well in writing. There are many people like that in academia.

There's no way to predict that a grad student is going to seriously lack people skills. BK comes from a cohort of young people who had less experience in on-the-ground classes, for about 2 years. I do wonder if Prof Bolger (who is an expert on quantitative methods in criminology studies) was disappointed that BK couldn't collect the q-naire data and therefore could not do a quantitative project. They change the emphasis of his thesis to narrative (qualitative) work. But did she ever meet him?

No, she did not:

I don't think this point can be emphasized enough,10ofRods! How someone looks "on paper" is only 1 dimension (or fraction thereof) of who someone is. The "proof is in the pudding", etc. And BK could have even "taken advantage of" the pandemic and remote or distance learning and interactions to hide his true colors from professors, LE, and smoke screened the heck out of everyone including family and friends. It could be sad but true that he "slipped through the cracks" and fully intended to do so (ETA" "crack up" & go on a murdering rampage) while no one was looking, and deal with the consequences later IF and only IF he had to, and then on his own terms, sadly. MOO
 
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  • #587
RBBM for focus. Growing up, this was something I had to learn because I picked up on things faster than most. My mother told me I was "average", so I erroneously believed everyone knew what I did. They didn't, of course, how could they? (Nor did I know some of the things they did, but that's a different story).

My point is that depending on the person, they don't always figure out that just because they know something it doesn't mean others know that same thing. An English major might think "everyone" knows how to construct a sentence properly all the time no matter the medium they are using to construct that sentence. Didn't we all learn that in school? But the truth is not everyone got the same lessons depending on the teacher or school or state or country.

If BK made the assumption that everyone he was grading should know what HE knew in the same class, even though he took his class elsewhere, bad grading ensues.
That's the mark of a very bad teacher--assuming what your students "should" already know.
 
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  • #588
Just an FYI but he wasn't grading Idaho students. He was grading at WSU.
Thank you for the correction - brain fluff! But that doesn't change the spirit of my post, with my point being that with BK presumably being several years older than the students he was serving, and that some may consider there is a general deterioration of standards over time (kind of like how we now have to have labels to advise people not to drink battery fluid, etc? (moo)).. he may have had different standards than he was used to. Also, in looking up 'reviews' on the professor who was having issues with BK, it seems many of the students loved him and he was an easy marker/easy course, so it may very well have been complete opposites, so to speak/personality conflict/whatever. imo.
 
  • #589
I am assuming that BK is the type who can come across very well in writing. There are many people like that in academia.

There's no way to predict that a grad student is going to seriously lack people skills. BK comes from a cohort of young people who had less experience in on-the-ground classes, for about 2 years. I do wonder if Prof Bolger (who is an expert on quantitative methods in criminology studies) was disappointed that BK couldn't collect the q-naire data and therefore could not do a quantitative project. They change the emphasis of his thesis to narrative (qualitative) work. But did she ever meet him?

No, she did not:

He not only lacked people skills, he also had no experience or serious training in teaching. And given his tendency to flaunt his knowledge, he probably didn't have the disposition to be a good teacher. Teaching isn't just lecturing and marking papers. It requires a certain amount of humility; teachers have to understand what it means to "not know" things, to be able to plan learning experiences for students to gain knowledge and control of a field, to try to learn themselves and fail--and then try again. That is, good teaching requires standards and empathy.
 
  • #590
Some of the students said that BK graded them on knowledge that they would not have had as undergraduate students who had not completed a graduate program in criminology, like BK did with a master's degree in the field. So I think the complaints about BK's grading were about content/discipline knowledge, which goes beyond basic writing skills. It sounds like BK assumed that students should already have the background education in the field that they were only now studying as undergraduates.
Yes, some students said that. There are many points of view, many personalities, many teaching styles, many expectation levels, many perceptions. Maybe the students were being graded as if they were graduates, maybe they weren't. Maybe some students couldn't get their points across because they were poor at writing. Maybe BK marked them too hard for whatever aspect - but then we were told via media that some students said that 'after the murders' he became an easy marker. And so..... the general consensus seems to be to assume that the change must have been because he did the murders. Perhaps he was trying to appease the professor he worked for. o_O
 
  • #591
He not only lacked people skills, he also had no experience or serious training in teaching. And given his tendency to flaunt his knowledge, he probably didn't have the disposition to be a good teacher. Teaching isn't just lecturing and marking papers. It requires a certain amount of humility; teachers have to understand what it means to "not know" things, to be able to plan learning experiences for students to gain knowledge and control of a field, to try to learn themselves and fail--and then try again. That is, good teaching requires standards and empathy.
Humility and empathy.

You've just summed it up perfectly.

I would also toss a sense of humour into the mix :)
Oh, and charisma.

Now, which boxes could BK tick?

Ummm ....:rolleyes:
 
  • #592
Thank you for the correction - brain fluff! But that doesn't change the spirit of my post, with my point being that with BK presumably being several years older than the students he was serving, and that some may consider there is a general deterioration of standards over time (kind of like how we now have to have labels to advise people not to drink battery fluid, etc? (moo)).. he may have had different standards than he was used to. Also, in looking up 'reviews' on the professor who was having issues with BK, it seems many of the students loved him and he was an easy marker/easy course, so it may very well have been complete opposites, so to speak/personality conflict/whatever. imo.
Yes it's a fair point, but everything I've heard about his grading suggests he may have had issues beyond ordinary departmental variances in grading. I think it's pretty normal for different instructors in a department to have different grading criteria. I've never been to a college where students didn't compare notes on who was hard and who wasn't. This seems to go beyond that.

I think the most telling anecdote I've heard about him isn't so much about teaching as it comes up quite often that he loved to make people feel stupid and remind people how smart he was. That's an obnoxious quality in anyone, but that's a horrible personality trait for a teacher to have and doesn't bode well for how he treated students. MOO
 
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I think the most telling anecdote I've heard about him isn't so much about teaching as it comes up quite often that he loved to make people feel stupid and remind people how smart he was. That's an obnoxious quality in anyone but that's a horrible personality trait for a teacher to have and doesn't bode well for how he treated students. MOO
I guess it even bodes worse in prison.

Oh dear
Too bad :oops:
 
  • #594
I guess it even bodes worse in prison.

Oh dear
Too bad :oops:
Yeah I don't think he's going to be winning any inmate popularity contests if he ends up in gen pop. MOO
 
  • #595
Yeah I don't think he's going to be winning any inmate popularity contests if he ends up in gen pop. MOO

According to prison expert Larry Levine, a former federal inmate himself, and founder of Wall Street Prison Consultants, BK's prison life would be pretty bleak.

"Well, most likely he's gonna be in protective custody because if they let him in 'general population' [there's a] good possibility somebody is going to try to take him out and kill him," Levine said. "You'll get a lot of street cred in a prison by committing violence against somebody who's an informant, somebody who's a child molester, somebody that abuses women. So his life is pretty bleak."

He predicted that Kohberger is expected to undergo a 23-hour lockdown, adding that this is what he has to "look forward to the rest of his life."

BK is kept alone in his jail cell right now. He is already in a type of protective custody.
 
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Just tossing these two WSU statements into the mix for those who missed them. An important caveat MOO is that BCK’s arrest happened not only during WSU’s Winter Break but also on the Friday (12/30/22) of a huge holiday weekend.

12-30-2022 Statement from Washington State University regarding arrest of WSU student
“Law enforcement officials in Pennsylvania have arrested Bryan Christopher Kohberger, a Washington State University graduate student, in connection with a quadruple homicide that took place in Moscow, ID in November.
<snip>
Kohberger had completed his first semester as a PhD student in WSU’s criminal justice program earlier this month.”
BBM

Interesting at the time to me, at least, to note that BCK was identified by WSU as a former student in the 1-3-2023 Dear Coug email, just four days later:
“The last few months have been trying, and the announcement of the arrest of Bryan Christopher Kohberger, a former WSU PhD student, as a suspect in the deaths of four University of Idaho students has shocked our communities.
<snip>
Though Mr. Kohberger is not enrolled as a student at WSU Pullman, we recognize some of you may still have questions about safety on campus.”
BBM

MOO

ETA: BCK couldn’t continue in his TA position when he was no longer a grad student, absent special permission for extenuating circumstances.

Perhaps he was trying to appease the professor he worked for. o_O
Or by easy grading he wouldn't have to have any 1)
undue stress, 2) would eliminate interactions with students and professors where he may slip up about the killings, 3) maybe to endear himself to the students that didn't like him...heck, he has no one on his side...
 
  • #597
Or by easy grading he wouldn't have to have any 1)
undue stress, 2) would eliminate interactions with students and professors where he may slip up about the killings, 3) maybe to endear himself to the students that didn't like him...heck, he has no one on his side...
I guess he couldn't bother with school any more.
His mind was (allegedly) reliving what happened in this house.
JMO
 
  • #598
Thank you for the correction - brain fluff! But that doesn't change the spirit of my post, with my point being that with BK presumably being several years older than the students he was serving, and that some may consider there is a general deterioration of standards over time (kind of like how we now have to have labels to advise people not to drink battery fluid, etc? (moo)).. he may have had different standards than he was used to. Also, in looking up 'reviews' on the professor who was having issues with BK, it seems many of the students loved him and he was an easy marker/easy course, so it may very well have been complete opposites, so to speak/personality conflict/whatever. imo.
Interesting insight of student's ratings. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am curious as to the types of tests given in the class if the TA (BK) could affect or impact the grades.
 
  • #599
I’m not so sure that BK would be devastated by losing his TA position. I have a feeling his lack of self awareness might lead him to conclude that he did nothing wrong, and the administration was at fault.
Those don't strike me as mutually exclusive reactions. BK could be devastated and at the same time feel the firing wasn't his fault.

In fact, losing his job might be even MORE devastating if he believed he wasn't to blame.
 
  • #600
I found it quite endearing.
Indeed. I didn't mean my remarks as a criticism of Mr. K. His remark merely surprised me, perhaps because I'm a college sports fan and am aware of the various anagrams and nicknames for American universities.
 
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