4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[PrairieWind]

UI to demolish home of King Road homicides

Three months since the murders of Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves, the victims’ white house still stands as a reminder of the Vandal community’s loss. A Friday communication from University of Idaho President Scott Green announced plans to demolish the home...

www.uiargonaut.com

A Friday communication from University of Idaho President Scott Green announced plans to demolish the home, establish scholarship funds and create a memorial garden.

King Road home

The owner of the home has granted UI ownership of the King Road property. In the interest of moving forward and deterring sensationalized media, the home will be demolished as soon as possible, according to UI Senior Director of Communications Jodi Walker.

“We’re really determined to maintain their dignity,” Walker said. “There’s definitely still interest (in the house).”

UI’s outsourced security force, Hells Canyon Security, has been doing additional rounds on King Road, Walker said.

“We will never forget Xana, Ethan, Madison and Kaylee,” Green wrote in his communication. “I will do everything in my power to protect their dignity and respect their memory. Together we will rebuild and continue to support each other.”

Interesting. So I guess the house could be left for now while prosecution and defense determine if they still need it. Then it can be demolished. So no real rush.

 

[Sundog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1629161381026009089

“Demolition also removes efforts to further sensationalize the crime scene. We are evaluating options where students may be involved in the future development of the property.”

To honor Kaylee, Madison, Xana & Ethan, the university is creating a memorial garden. It will also be a place of remembrance of other students lost & a place of healing for those left behind. A university committee, with student representation, is developing a plan.

Wow. Big development. Kudos for the owner and university for working this out. I think it will go a long way to helping the university and community heal, as well as the families of the victims.

 

[Boxer]

Either way: It casts further suspicion on Kohberger, but isn’t really hard evidence, IMO.

Agreed. Since he was there that night stalking (AT will say innocently) obviously he should have gone to police.
He could assert he was afraid to go to the police, which MOO is not really believable, but once the police publicly sought the Elantra he goes to another level of evasion.

 

[rsd1200]

IANAL and not an expert on HIPAA rules, but I think confidentiality requirements have become pretty strict, even for adults.

I am a retired educator, but if you asked me about one of my students who had taken a leave for any reason, really, or who had a learning disability, say, I would certainly leave that info out of my response.

I don't think HIPAA rules would apply to him other than through someplace that he received treatment for addiction. For Schools, the FERPA is what I believe they go by. Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA).

• Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student's education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions (34 CFR § 99.31):
  • School officials with legitimate educational interest;
  • Other schools to which a student is transferring;
  • Specified officials for audit or evaluation purposes;
  • Appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to a student;
  • Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;
  • Accrediting organizations;
  • To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena;
  • Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety emergencies; and
  • State and local authorities, within a juvenile justice system, pursuant to specific State law.

Schools may disclose, without consent, "directory" information such as a student's name, address, telephone number, date and place of birth, honors and awards, and dates of attendance. However, schools must tell parents and eligible students about directory information and allow parents and eligible students a reasonable amount of time to request that the school not disclose directory information about them. Schools must notify parents and eligible students annually of their rights under FERPA. The actual means of notification (special letter, inclusion in a PTA bulletin, student handbook, or newspaper article) is left to the discretion of each school.

Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA)

Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) Home Page.

www2.ed.gov

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Agreed. Since he was there that night stalking (AT will say innocently) obviously he should have gone to police.
He could assert he was afraid to go to the police, which MOO is not really believable, but once the police publicly sought the Elantra he goes to another level of evasion.

LE never publicly sought his vehicle. The public BOLO was for 2011-2013 white Elantras while it was only a private LE-only BOLO that went out for basically all white Elantras regardless of year. Unless he was working for a law enforcement agency and received the LE-only BOLO, he'd have no way of knowing they were looking for later model white Elantras beyond 2013 as that only became public after his arrest that there was an expanded BOLO. This for instance was posted by the Moscow PD the day before BK's arrest:
Progress continues to locate the white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra believed to be in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th. Investigators believe the occupant(s) may have critical information to share about this case. If you know of, or own, a vehicle matching this description, or know of anyone who may have been driving this specific vehicle on the days preceding or the day of the murders, please forward that information to the Tip Line.

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24993/12-29-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

 

[Gemmie]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1629161381026009089

“Demolition also removes efforts to further sensationalize the crime scene. We are evaluating options where students may be involved in the future development of the property.”

To honor Kaylee, Madison, Xana & Ethan, the university is creating a memorial garden. It will also be a place of remembrance of other students lost & a place of healing for those left behind. A university committee, with student representation, is developing a plan.

How does something like this work for the homeowner so they aren't out almost half a million dollars? (which is what the Zestimate is). Does insurance pay the worth of the house so the owner can pay off the mortgage and not be out the equity?

ETA - or maybe it's a tax write off. All I know is I'd need my half million back. That's no small beans.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Interesting. So I guess the house could be left for now while prosecution and defense determine if they still need it. Then it can be demolished. So no real rush.

I thought it sounded like 1122 will be razed asap. The court order was to preserve the residence until Feb 1.

 

[rsd1200]

How does something like this work for the homeowner so they aren't out almost half a million dollars? (which is what the Zestimate is). Does insurance pay the worth of the house so the owner can pay off the mortgage and not be out the equity?

ETA - or maybe it's a tax write off. All I know is I'd need my half million back. That's no small beans.

I'm thinking tax write off at the very least. He's lost an enormous amount of income, and the home. Folks used to donate property to the place I worked for.

If you have held the property for more than one year, it is classified as long-term capital gain property. You can deduct the full fair market value of the donated property. Your charitable contribution deduction is limited to various percentages of your adjusted gross income. Excess contribution value may be carried forward for up to five years.

Real Estate Donation Tax Deduction Benefits - IRS Tax Facts

Appraised Value Tax Deduction when you donate a house, land or commercial property to our 501c3 nonprofit charity! No More Property Tax or Capital gains taxes!

realestatewithcauses.org

 

[Cool Cats]

How does something like this work for the homeowner so they aren't out almost half a million dollars? (which is what the Zestimate is). Does insurance pay the worth of the house so the owner can pay off the mortgage and not be out the equity?

ETA - or maybe it's a tax write off. All I know is I'd need my half million back. That's no small beans.

"The owner of the home has granted UI ownership of the King Road property."

The homeowner would not be out money unless they wanted to donate the house. The homeowner could have sold the house or donated the house to the University.

I suspect the University bought it. The homeowner could have owed more on it then the house was worth and the University paid off the mortgage.

A type of situation that is helpful to the home owner.

 

[Gemmie]

"The owner of the home has granted UI ownership of the King Road property."

The homeowner would not be out money unless they wanted to donate the house. The homeowner could have sold the house or donated the house to the University.

I suspect the University bought it unless the homeowner owed more on it then the house was worth and the University paid off the mortgage.

I've also seen where it says the house has been given. Isn't giving something a donation? Unsure what granting a house means financially and in legal terms. Perhaps it's a case of MSM writers swapping 'granted' for 'giving'. I'm sure no expert in these sorts of matters. lol

The owner of the home at 1122 King Road in Moscow gave the house to the university, which chose to have it demolished, UI president Scott Green announced in a memo sent to university employees and students on Friday.

Moscow house where Idaho students were killed will be demolished

The house where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death will be demolished.

www.idahopress.com

 

[Deleted member 718]

I've also seen where it says the house has been given. Isn't giving something a donation? Unsure what granting a house means financially and in legal terms. Perhaps it's a case of MSM writers swapping 'granted' for 'giving'. I'm sure no expert in these sorts of matters. lol

The owner of the home at 1122 King Road in Moscow gave the house to the university, which chose to have it demolished, UI president Scott Green announced in a memo sent to university employees and students on Friday.

Moscow house where Idaho students were killed will be demolished

The house where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death will be demolished.

www.idahopress.com

Agree. UI will pay the costs to have it demolished. UI now has control of any future development of the soon-to-be vacant lot.

 

[Cool Cats]

I've also seen where it says the house has been given. Isn't giving something a donation? Unsure what granting a house means financially and in legal terms. Perhaps it's a case of MSM writers swapping 'granted' for 'giving'. I'm sure no expert in these sorts of matters. lol

The owner of the home at 1122 King Road in Moscow gave the house to the university, which chose to have it demolished, UI president Scott Green announced in a memo sent to university employees and students on Friday.

Moscow house where Idaho students were killed will be demolished

The house where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death will be demolished.

www.idahopress.com

Acquired and gave are both terms used.

If acquired I suspect the University bought it. If the homeowner gave the University the house, unless the homeowner is really wealthy, I suspect the University helped the homeowner out from under a crushing mortgage.

I inherited a house along with a huge loan taken out against the house. The bank paid off the loan (to put it simply) which was worth more than the house and took over the house. Saved the estate $7,000.

Bottom line is the homeowner loses money from not being able to rent out the house and the University helped them out, gave them a good deal.

A type of win win situation for everyone.

 

[Justice101]

"The owner of the home has granted UI ownership of the King Road property."

The homeowner would not be out money unless they wanted to donate the house. The homeowner could have sold the house or donated the house to the University.

I suspect the University bought it. The homeowner could have owed more on it then the house was worth and the University paid off the mortgage.

A type of situation that is helpful to the home owner.

My guess is the U of Idaho raze the building and will put up some kind of a small garden and memorial in that space.

 

[Cool Cats]

My guess is the U of Idaho raze the building and will put up some kind of a small garden and memorial in that space.

Yes, a memorial garden is mentioned:

A Friday communication from University of Idaho President Scott Green announced plans to demolish the home, establish scholarship funds and create a memorial garden.

The university is "evaluating options where students may be involved in the future development of the property," the memo says.

"This is a healing step and removes the physical structure where the crime that shook our community was committed," the memo says. "Demolition also removes efforts to further sensationalize the crime scene."

 

[Boxer]

LE never publicly sought his vehicle. The public BOLO was for 2011-2013 white Elantras while it was only a private LE-only BOLO that went out for basically all white Elantras regardless of year. Unless he was working for a law enforcement agency and received the LE-only BOLO, he'd have no way of knowing they were looking for later model white Elantras beyond 2013 as that only became public after his arrest that there was an expanded BOLO. This for instance was posted by the Moscow PD the day before BK's arrest:
Progress continues to locate the white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra believed to be in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th. Investigators believe the occupant(s) may have critical information to share about this case. If you know of, or own, a vehicle matching this description, or know of anyone who may have been driving this specific vehicle on the days preceding or the day of the murders, please forward that information to the Tip Line.

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24993/12-29-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

MOO
So a man driving a white 2015 Elantra who was in the area doesn’t call in because, “nope, not me I have a 2015,”
MOO an owner would know it’s virtually the same car with different hubcaps.

 

[Sundog]

How does something like this work for the homeowner so they aren't out almost half a million dollars? (which is what the Zestimate is). Does insurance pay the worth of the house so the owner can pay off the mortgage and not be out the equity?

ETA - or maybe it's a tax write off. All I know is I'd need my half million back. That's no small beans.

I am guessing we will know a lot more about this in MSM as they start to ask the same questions.

It could be a donation from the owner(s) to the University of Idaho which would then be a tax write-off for the owner(s).

Or perhaps the University of Idaho's Foundation purchased it with money from a donor. Or maybe the Foundation purchased it with their own funds, which is possible but unlikely, unless they have huge amounts of unrestricted gift funds lying around.

I am sure we will know soon, unless there is a donor and he/she/they asked for confidentiality. The courts have ruled that donors may be kept confidential with regard to gifts to university foundations, although this has been challenged in the courts many times. So far confidentiality has been maintained by the courts.

 

[DizzyB]

Agree. UI will pay the costs to have it demolished. UI now has control of any future development of the soon-to-be vacant lot.

I figured there had to some form of change to the ownership or status of the house. The fence and the boarding up of the windows is typically required for a vacant property for the Insurance Carrier. Locked and secured, heat maintained or pipes drained etc. The demo coverage will be a whole different thing.

 

[Dotta]

"Infamous house where University of Idaho students were murdered will be DEMOLISHED - as six-bedroom home is finally boarded up three months after the quadruple slaying."​

Idaho murders house to be demolished: Moscow home boarded up

President of the University Scott Green confirmed on Friday that the home on King Street is set to be demolished as a 'healing step'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Boxer]

LE never publicly sought his vehicle. The public BOLO was for 2011-2013 white Elantras while it was only a private LE-only BOLO that went out for basically all white Elantras regardless of year. Unless he was working for a law enforcement agency and received the LE-only BOLO, he'd have no way of knowing they were looking for later model white Elantras beyond 2013 as that only became public after his arrest that there was an expanded BOLO. This for instance was posted by the Moscow PD the day before BK's arrest:
Progress continues to locate the white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra believed to be in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th. Investigators believe the occupant(s) may have critical information to share about this case. If you know of, or own, a vehicle matching this description, or know of anyone who may have been driving this specific vehicle on the days preceding or the day of the murders, please forward that information to the Tip Line.

https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24993/12-29-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

MOO it was public enough for the gas station employee at the corner of the turn in to Kings Road neighborhood to scour her security videos.

 

[wary]

MOO
So a man driving a white 2015 Elantra who was in the area doesn’t call in because, “nope, not me I have a 2015,”
MOO an owner would know it’s virtually the same car with different hubcaps.

Anyone who’s a bit literal-minded might well just think: “I don’t have a 2015; no need to bother them.”

MOO