4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[Nova]

That's true but it really does feel like the media will find another way to discredit her and I'm not sure why. She's available, qualified and BK had a legal right to representation.

Exactly. And that's the bottom line!

I'm sure we all feel for X's mom, and find her feelings sympathetic. But she is not a formal party to BK's trial.

As for the prosecution, X's "feelings" aren't their problem, but if BK were denied his lawyer of choice (under the constraints of PD eligibility and assignment), that MIGHT become an issue in a later appeal. Unless AT has some superpower that hasn't been publicized, I doubt the DA is going to challenge her appointment.

 

[iamshadow21]

Believe me I truly appreciate the correction, thank you! I think it was you @iamshadow21 who posted the great vid about latent prints and uses of amido black in the previous thread? That was really educational and totally chilled me about shoe print forensics. It showed me how the science is done. MOO

It is good to know that relevant prints could still have an evidentiary use in trial even if the shoes are not found. I hadn't thought about how trails/collections of latent prints perhaps around each crime scene might be significant. I'm sure that the Vans print will not be out of sync with the suspect's shoe size. Just my personal view that LE would not mention the one print that they do in PCA if there was any realistic possibility of that. I just chose to trust LE's and forensic examiners' process of elimination. And your mention of the diffs between prints left immediately after the crime and any inadvertently left the next day (by roomates' friend) when the blood has coagulated and dried has further bolstered my undertanding and my faith in a competent LE/forensic process. MOO

Just on the Vans, I'm kinda hoping a pair might turn up out of the PA search warrant, but I also think the killer is more likely to have ditched those Vans along with everything else he wore that night. MOO.

Actually, someone else posted the video, but I think it was in response to something I had posted about the Amido black being used to stain the print for photography. I've posted a bunch of speculation and commentary, but not a video. The video was cool, though. It was a really clear illustration of what I'd been trying to explain, and made my point well for the visual learners out there. I appreciated it being posted!

 

[Odeto BJ]

Frustrated, CK goes to the DA, who is faced with a hot potato of an issue. He represents the state, not the victims. He has no more standing than CK to ask the court to remove AT from representation of BK. But he must keep CK on side, so he agrees to do something. In an informal conversation with the judge (one hopes with AT present), he points to the public controversy that is undermining public confidence in the process, and asks the judge to consider it in the interest of justice and the integrity of the court process. The judge and AT agree to meet privately, and in that meeting AT - an officer of the court - makes representations that satisfy the judge there is no significant issue. The DA can go back to CK and say, "Look - I'm your hero. I have advocated on your behalf and done what I can do. The judge undertook to look into it and the matter is resolved. We can disagree with the decision, but it's been made.

Trimmed for Focus....by me
Interesting hypothesis though one of the plot twists is not described IMO.
The DA that CK would have to appeal to to address the judge in BK's coming case would not be the same DA that is apparently willing to make a Probation Only deal for CK on her pending drug charges....different counties and courthouses: So she has some impetus for the DA in Moscow but not for the DA on her drug charges....If those were the same prosecutor's offices, good chance the singular DA would support dismissing her drug charges to keep her onside for the upcoming MI4 trial.

ALL MOO of course

 

[Txsubmom]

The media are not "trying to discredit her." They are simply pursuing the answer(s) to a legitimate legal question.

Many legal issues require research & inquiry to be resolved. In this case, the rights of a mass murderer & victims are being vetted (quite properly IMO).

Even if it got no airtime, the COI question(s) would need resolution to ensure fairness to all parties.

JMHO

ETA: AT has an excellent reputation AFAIK & whatever decision is made re: COI, she will remain in good standing, as she should.

But honestly, I DO think they are trying to discredit DM. As a parent with kids this age, I can absolutely see why DM thought her roommates had friends over who were loud. I don’t think this was an unusual occurrence. My heart hurts for her now that she knowes the horror that happened that night. I will ALWAYS be praying for anyone related to these beautiful children who are lost to us…

 

[WingsOverTX]

But honestly, I DO think they are trying to discredit DM. I admit at first I was like, WTH, how did she NOT call 911 until almost noon the next day??? Then, I remembered college, and teenagers - she’s only 19. I’ve got a 21 yr old and 16 yr old. I didn’t live off campus with friends but I remember parties, party houses, etc. I also remember being scared, I grew up in a minority majority city in the southern USA as a very pale blond. Moved off and returned in college and learned quickly to be hyper vigilant about who was around me. Took my mom shopping one day, told her to check the parking lot and she noticed “men were looking at me”… seriously I’m not that special - look a lot like Charlotte Ross during her NYPD Blues days, but it was the blond thing… I remember being “petrified with fear” more than once but I do know if I heard nothing else I’d probably argue myself down to going back to sleep - especially if I’d been out partying before.

My post was responding to an OP saying the media are trying to discredit AT, Bryan's attorney.

DM definitely deserves to be respected. She's a victim.

 

[jepop]

Actually, someone else posted the video, but I think it was in response to something I had posted about the Amido black being used to stain the print for photography. I've posted a bunch of speculation and commentary, but not a video. The video was cool, though. It was a really clear illustration of what I'd been trying to explain, and made my point well for the visual learners out there. I appreciated it being posted!

I remember your posts in the last thread about amido black likely being used for staining/defining the print, with blood probably detected via the presumptive test if I understood correctly. It was those thoughtful and well researched posts (MOO) that prompted me to take a look at the vid. Most recently your explanations on this thread regarding the changing physical properties of blood over time and the relation of that to how forensics understand and analyse foot prints, I have also found most educational. So..thank you!

 

[iamshadow21]

I remember your posts in the last thread about amido black likely being used for staining/defining the print, with blood probably detected via the presumptive test if I understood correctly. It was those thoughtful and well researched posts (MOO) that prompted me to take a look at the vid. Most recently your explanations on this thread regarding the changing physical properties of blood over time and the relation of that to how forensics understand and analyse foot prints, I have also found most educational. So..thank you!

Thank you very much! I must caveat that I am not an expert, I am a sleuther with a high school level education. No degrees or work experience in law, science, forensics, criminology, chemistry, medicine, etc. etc. etc. So, if anything I assert is incorrect, PLEASE CORRECT ME. I am not afraid of being wrong. If I am incorrect, I would prefer to know about it. I'm not an expert, I'm just a crime geek with a special interest in forensics with a keyboard.

 

[Dotta]

Would Bryan Kohberger’s murder trial stay in Latah County?​

Would Bryan Kohberger’s murder trial stay in Latah County? What the experts say

Should the case go to trial, both the defense and the prosecution will look for an impartial jury.

news.yahoo.com

 

[CSIDreamer]

Speaking of that footprint, I've been wondering for awhile if it was a partial print. "Van's style" makes me wonder how much they got of it. Musing. JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

Speaking of that footprint, I've been wondering for awhile if it was a partial print. "Van's style" makes me wonder how much they got of it. Musing. JMO

I agree, partial print with a diamond pattern. JMO

 

[CGray123]

I'm curious about the sources for tonight's program.

BK is upbeat about his charges. Sources have told her what he's been saying.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626730745925435401

This Banfield segment turned out to be a nothing burger IMO. BK continues to believe he will be exonerated, not clear how much of the evidence he has seen, etc. Still I can't think of any possible original source for this updated information who wouldn't be covered by the gag order. Are they testing?

 

[Deleted member 718]

This Banfield segment turned out to be a nothing burger IMO. BK continues to believe he will be exonerated, not clear how much of the evidence he has seen, etc. Still I can't think of any possible original source for this updated information who wouldn't be covered by the gag order. Are they testing?

I listened carefully and it appears she's referring back to what PA attorney LaBar said. Although she does say she has multiple sources who reinforce this idea.

 

[10ofRods]

This Banfield segment turned out to be a nothing burger IMO. BK continues to believe he will be exonerated, not clear how much of the evidence he has seen, etc. Still I can't think of any possible original source for this updated information who wouldn't be covered by the gag order. Are they testing?

Maybe Banfield is interviewing other inmates. That whole video call system they have for the jail could easily be used by a reporter.

I doubt that Mr and Mrs Kohberger are talking to the press, but maybe one of the sisters might be?

Only attorneys are banned from speaking, is my understanding, and I bet the Kohberger family speaks with Bryan almost daily.

Those are the only ways I can think that she got that info, although BK himself is not bound by the gag order, is he?

<modsnip: no source link>

All speculation.

 

[CGray123]

Maybe Banfield is interviewing other inmates. That whole video call system they have for the jail could easily be used by a reporter.

I doubt that Mr and Mrs Kohberger are talking to the press, but maybe one of the sisters might be?

Only attorneys are banned from speaking, is my understanding, and I bet the Kohberger family speaks with Bryan almost daily.

Those are the only ways I can think that she got that info, although BK himself is not bound by the gag order, is he?

There are people trying to get access to him at the Latah County jail, and pictures of receipts for monies sent to him so that he can buy phone/video call minutes, IMO. (This is from perusing some of the BK fan sites).

All speculation.

Good thoughts! Hadn't thought of inmates - they could be the source. But AT will likely remind BK to be more careful who he speaks to and what he says to his parents, because if anything more substantive gets out it will reflect on her and may get him sanctioned. He is a party, and parties are bound by the order.

 

[NCWatcher]

This Banfield segment turned out to be a nothing burger IMO. BK continues to believe he will be exonerated, not clear how much of the evidence he has seen, etc. Still I can't think of any possible original source for this updated information who wouldn't be covered by the gag order. Are they testing?

I don't know who AB's sources are or if they actually exist. But in the above Twitter conversation someone accused her of using Reddit and Facebook posts as sources. She responded "Wrong… Those are not our sources. I was crystal clear last night -our sources are close to the investigation and close to the prosecution."

She does seem to be determined to make that claim.
JMO

 

[Montecore1]

Would Bryan Kohberger’s murder trial stay in Latah County?​

Would Bryan Kohberger’s murder trial stay in Latah County? What the experts say

Should the case go to trial, both the defense and the prosecution will look for an impartial jury.

news.yahoo.com

Thank you for posting this Dotta

If either the defense or prosecution files a Motion for Change of Venue is that decision solely made by Judge Megan Marshal? Assuming if granted, Boise would likely be the new venue 300 miles away.
Does anyone have any thoughts on Judge Marshal possibly being off a major case and out of the limelight would play a part in her decision?

Edit: In Texas the original judge can stay but ONLY if both parties agree, otherwise a new judge will hear the case

 

[CGray123]

Thank you for posting this Dotta

If either the defense or prosecution files a Motion for Change of Venue is that decision solely made by Judge Megan Marshal? Assuming if granted, Boise would likely be the new venue 300 miles away.
Does anyone have any thoughts on Judge Marshal taking her self off a major case and out of the limelight would play a part in her decision?

Edit: In Texas the original judge can stay but ONLY if both parties agree, otherwise a new judge will hear the case

IMO if other cases are the example, the case would be prosecuted by the Latah County DA and the Latah County Judge would preside. Change of venue means only that the jury pool would be drawn from another county. I think what the judge will do is defer ruling on venue until an attempt is made to seat an impartial jury in Latah County.

 

[schooling]

This Banfield segment turned out to be a nothing burger IMO. BK continues to believe he will be exonerated, not clear how much of the evidence he has seen, etc. Still I can't think of any possible original source for this updated information who wouldn't be covered by the gag order. Are they testing?

I think people tend to look too much into the “confident he’ll be exonerated” thing. Like BK is supposed to say he’s confident he’ll be convicted?

And by the looks of this he’s been contemplating this thing since at least August IMO. And his life was clearly starting to fall apart (on the brink of losing his TA job being evidence of that) shortly before the crimes were committed.

So it’s unlikely his fearful. Not in the way you or I would experience it anyway. I can barely break into my own house (forgetting the key) at night without getting anxiety over what my neighbors are thinking…let alone a strangers house with a knife intent on murder.

Of course he’s confident.

 

[renarde]

"Public Defender Anne Taylor filed a motion with the Idaho Supreme Court, requesting to be heard in any arguments over the media's request to amend or dismiss the gag order."

"The man prosecuting Bryan Kohberger, Latah County Prosecutor William Thompson, also filed a motion saying the state would like to be heard on this issue."

'Mr. Kohberger is on trial for his life': Attorneys respond to media challenge of gag order in Idaho case

BOISE, Idaho - The attorney representing a man accused of killing four University of Idaho students says her client is on trial for his life and has a right to

www.kxly.com

 

[Boxer]

Speaking of that footprint, I've been wondering for awhile if it was a partial print. "Van's style" makes me wonder how much they got of it. Musing. JMO

MOO enough to see a diamond sole pattern.