4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 73

[iamshadow21]

hmm I thought it woulda said something the lines of "marijuana"

Don't know if that would have to wait for testing. Even if he'd written in all caps MY DRUGS on the bag. Leafy greens is descriptive enough for the list and the lab folks can do the definitive identification.

 

[NyxNY]

I am stuck on the pink zipper in the baggie. Why would he have a pink zipper in his car?

Ziplock bag with pink zipper. For example, Hefty brand has a pink zipper. They may be using the term Ziploc bag as a general description, not meaning the brand Ziploc. IMO

 

[MoominMama222]

I wonder if that could be the drawing they list #34 - A Man's Mind?

I read it as "A Man's World" drawing
edit: actually it does look like Mind to me

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

what in the world is the "green leafy substance"

The green leafy substance is green leafy substance. Without testing to verify, it cannot be stated what the substance is or is suspected to be (marijuana). Another example would be white powder, without testing it can't be said to be cocaine, meth, sugar, salt, etc.

 

[maconrich]

I read it as "A Man's World" drawing
edit: actually it does look like Mind to me

I can see either / both a lot more than "hand" (used in the typed list) Editing: the more I look at it, I think you're right that it's a man's world...

 

[CSIDreamer]

We were talking about harm to innocent people. Psychological terror is harm to innocent people. IMO, traumatizing innocent people like that can be just as harmful as shooting them accidentally.

Yes, that's what I was referencing. I think seeing a family member suicide by cop can be considered traumatic to an innocent person.

 

[Justice101]

Re: They removed the car seats, a door panel and the brake and gas pedals from the vehicle for testing too.

While he cleaned that car like a germ phobic on steriods... I'll place a HUGE bet that he did not remove seats, door panels, pedals, etc. , to do a thorough job. I hope they got something!!!

ooh, gas pedal... great idea. that might have been overlooked by BK!

 

[iamshadow21]

ooh, gas pedal... great idea. that might have been overlooked by BK!

Pedals, seat adjustment knobs and levers, mirrors, radio and air con/heater dials... SWAB 'EM ALL.

Pedals are a great place to look for blood, since we know the perpetrator stepped in some. Most people adjust their mirrors, seats, air, and music without thinking. Usually seatbelts and seatbelt releases are good for stuff, too, but since we know he got a ticket for not wearing one, I doubt he bothered while fleeing a murder scene in the middle of the night, so I think it's less likely they'll find evidence there in this case.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, that's what I was referencing. I think seeing a family member suicide by cop can be considered traumatic to an innocent person.

So to avoid the risk of BK committing suicide by cop and thereby traumatizing his family, LE decides to traumatize the family proactively? IMO, that doesn't make sense. I don't really think they thought about the family at all. They did what they had to do to get their guy. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but I reiterate, there has to be a better way we haven't come up with yet.

MOO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

So to avoid the risk of BK committing suicide by cop and thereby traumatizing his family, LE decides to traumatize the family proactively? IMO, that doesn't make sense. I don't really think they thought about the family at all. They did what they had to do to get their guy. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but I reiterate, there has to be a better way we haven't come up with yet.

MOO.

My opinion makes sense to me.

 

[ktm44]

So to avoid the risk of BK committing suicide by cop and thereby traumatizing his family, LE decides to traumatize the family proactively? IMO, that doesn't make sense. I don't really think they thought about the family at all. They did what they had to do to get their guy. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but I reiterate, there has to be a better way we haven't come up with yet.

MOO.

It could also be said that if BK slaughtered 4 people and holed up in his parents home, he is resposible for any emotional trauma his parents experienced.

 

[whiterhino]

If it is true that he wore gloves in a grocery store, plus with the trash, then he likely had the medical gloves in his pocket. It makes sense that keys and a wallet are not mentioned because it is the middle of the night and he was probably home for the night.

But someone who wears gloves in stores usually has some with them. Actually it seems totally normal that he would have something in his pockets. When LE does a "person" search they check pockets.

We know he was on a 3 hour time difference, 4:00am would be like 1:00am to him, and his neighbor living below him said he was up late into the night, and he was dumping trash late at night etc...

So having a flashlight in his pocket along with a couple pairs of gloves in the middle of the night sounds totally normal for him.

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Idaho suspect stalked victims for WEEKS and wore GLOVES

The man accused of the horrific slayings of four University of Idaho students was allegedly stalking the students in the weeks leading up to the murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Somehow I'd missed your reply until just now! Good point, there's a good chance BK left the flashlight and gloves in his pockets because he was visiting the trashbin with regularity. Maybe it was a matter of convenience and forgetfulness?

Someone had suggested perhaps BK was in the habit of wearing gloves due to his being vegan, possibly a germaphobe etc. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It could also be said that if BK slaughtered 4 people and holed up in his parents home, he is resposible for any emotional trauma his parents experienced.

If is the operative word, IMO. But these raids happen to arrest people, before they're convicted of the crime.

 

[PrairieWind]

So to avoid the risk of BK committing suicide by cop and thereby traumatizing his family, LE decides to traumatize the family proactively? IMO, that doesn't make sense. I don't really think they thought about the family at all. They did what they had to do to get their guy. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but I reiterate, there has to be a better way we haven't come up with yet.

MOO.

If they are worried about suicide by cop, don't go charging after him with guns. Just wait for him to come out to check the mail in the afternoon and arrest him. But that doesn't provide an opportunity to justify the expense of that SWAT team.

 

[iamshadow21]

Somehow I'd missed your reply until just now! Good point, there's a good chance BK left the flashlight and gloves in his pockets because he was visiting the trashbin with regularity. Maybe it was a matter of convenience and forgetfulness?

Someone had suggested perhaps BK was in the habit of wearing gloves due to his being vegan, possibly a germaphobe etc. IMHO BK wasn't wearing gloves due to neurosis. MOO.

I think if it had been a regular thing with him to glove constantly, we would have heard about it at least from his fellow students at WSU or from the people who knew him from his apartment building. They talked about him being weird and staring and giving a strange vibe and being creepy and sexist, but no one mentioned wearing gloves all the time or being anxious about germs. According to a relative he was rigorous about the utensils used for his food, but that seems to be an attitude common to a number of vegans, based on prior conversations on the threads.

MOO

 

[Nova]

I agree. I was just entertaining the idea. My preferred idea is that M was the target and it's entirely possible BK had no idea K was in the building or even in town (aside from possibly they had crossed paths earlier in the evening / unsure / unverified). If he was targeting M, he may have well thought he would have undisturbed control of the entire 3rd floor, that he could render M unconscious or subdue her, lock her door... well you know it's not my place to get into horror movie scenarios. JMO MOO

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to criticize anyone for raising the subject of how BK got into the building. That's what we do here: throw out ideas and allow others to react.

As it turns out, my hypothesis is the same as yours: MM was the target and BK wrongly assumed he would have her to himself on an otherwise empty upper floor. I suspect he had seen MM alone up there on several of his surveillance trips to the area. Obviously, this is speculation on my part, based on the little we know for sure.

 

[Boxer]

If they are worried about suicide by cop, don't go charging after him with guns. Just wait for him to come out to check the mail in the afternoon and arrest him. But that doesn't provide an opportunity to justify the expense of that SWAT team.

Keeping a giant team waiting for the opportunity is risky as well. When a level 3 raid is done at a planned time the team is 100% ready. Missing him somehow in the yard , and then gets into house = standoff possibly with hostages.

MOO Level 3s are rarely granted and should be reserved for cases like this.

 

[Cool Cats]

More Unsealed Search Warrants Reveal Authorities Found A Knife, A Gun, And Criminology Books At Bryan Kohberger's Parents' House When He Was Arrested

 

[Nova]

The length of his toes were visible on a tennis shoe imprint? Uh.

10ofRods can speak for him/herself, as s/he is an expert.

But I suspect that by looking at the wear pattern of the ball of the foot, the length of the toes can be deduced. It isn't required that each toe or any toe leave an impression.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I'd like to know if one of the IDs was a WSU PD intern ID.

And/or a Pullman PD ID.

AFAIK, in spite of multiple inquiries, Pullman PD has remained silent about whether or not BCK was hired for any paid or non-paid position with them.