4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

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  • #861
I've been so wrapped up in so many cases, they begin to blur...

Someone remind me, how did the coroner establish the time of death?

Isn't this the case where the coroner is a registered nurse and attorney?

One other thing -- they have a video of someone outside. At least, I'm pretty sure they do. The neighbor's ring doorbell that picked up the barking? Those are triggered not by sound but by motion. Something/someone was out there and it triggered the cam, which then recorded both video and audio. At least, that's how I understand them to work. That's the way mine works. It's motion-detection, not sound-detection.
 
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Exactly. And this possible, in part, what he was referring to. They had identified BK and his car, and had a good idea he was their guy. But they still needed to follow up on the other white elantras in the area, to check with them to eliminate them as possibilities. So at trial if the defense tries to say it wasn't BK's car, the DA can point out that all the other white elantras known in the area are accounted for and were not in the area.
The defense should do their own investigation into who in the area and surrounding area owned White Elantras in November 2022.

The defense will probably want to put out a case scenario of who else may have done it.
 
  • #864
The defense should do their own investigation into who in the area and surrounding area owned White Elantras in November 2022.

The defense will probably want to put out a case scenario of who else may have done it.
I'm sure the Defense will look into it. But LE and the district attorney would have bee smart to do this before the arrest to cut off that angle. Were they thorough? we will see.
 
  • #865
I'm just curious as to why this crime still resonates with the people that are on this forum. Given that the next hearing won't be until the end of June, very little new information has come out and the information that has been provided has been analyzed by everyone from Dr. Phil to Banfield to this group. What is the motivation to keep posting?
My first post here so I hope I do this right. Although opposite ends of the country, different time periods, I grew up in a college town with Greek life, popular hangouts, etc. When I first read about the crime it felt like it could have been my hometown. That's what first drew me here and why I joined. Since then I've come to really care about these victims and there families. That's my reason for constantly checking here. The reason I lurk more than post is I'm not sure I have much to add.
 
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My first post here so I hope I do this right. Although opposite ends of the country, different time periods, I grew up in a college town with Greek life, popular hangouts, etc. When I first read about the crime it felt like it could have been my hometown. That's what first drew me here and why I joined. Since then I've come to really care about these victims and there families. That's my reason for constantly checking here. The reason I lurk more than post is I'm not sure I have much to add.
Welcome to WS, @Ladybythesea. :)
 
  • #867

Idaho stabbing victim Ethan Chapin’s former tulip farm co-workers have named a yellow and white flower mix in his honor.
Brilliant! For kids growing up in Skag County, working in the tulip fields (75% of U.S. commercial production) is a right of passage and this is a beautiful gesture.

 
  • #868
Orders to seal...too numerous to link all of them


edit: spelling

It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment.
(Match is Tinder)
 
  • #869

If the DP is going to have any chance of being an effective tool, Idaho is going to have to figure out how to actually execute people.
An effective tool for deterring people?
 
  • #870
My first post here so I hope I do this right. Although opposite ends of the country, different time periods, I grew up in a college town with Greek life, popular hangouts, etc. When I first read about the crime it felt like it could have been my hometown. That's what first drew me here and why I joined. Since then I've come to really care about these victims and there families. That's my reason for constantly checking here. The reason I lurk more than post is I'm not sure I have much to add.
A warm welcome to you. Enjoy the space, post if you like, you are free.
 
  • #871
He will soon have TWO death penalty qualified public defenders? With all the hoopla around possible recusal of AT (now moot) due to paucity of PDs so qualified in ID, I'm very curious why he needs another one, potentially doubling his cost of representation.

Why & any idea who - JL, possibly ?

MOO
It's going to be a huge case. It's not surprising that the attorney might want co-counsel.
 
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It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment.
(Match is Tinder)
Interesting....

Blue Ridge Knives.
Ka-Bar
Door Dash
Match

Hmmmm.
 
  • #874
It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment.
(Match is Tinder)
Incredible, and we were just talking about due diligence here on the thread. LE have totally lived up to and gone beyond all my expections. Impressive as!! MOO
 
  • #875
An effective tool for deterring people?
Having a death penalty can be a valuable tool for a prosecutor. He can use it as leverage, a bargaining chip. Please guilty and he'll take the DP off the table. But if a defendant knows he will never actually be executed even if he gets a death sentence, then that tool is gone.
 
  • #876
Brilliant! For kids growing up in Skag County, working in the tulip fields (75% of U.S. commercial production) is a right of passage and this is a beautiful gesture.

I’m a tulip lover & have already ordered my Ethan’s Smile bulbs to be delivered in the Fall :)
 
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It's going to be a huge case. It's not surprising that the attorney might want co-counsel.

He will soon have TWO death penalty qualified public defenders? With all the hoopla around possible recusal of AT (now moot) due to paucity of PDs so qualified in ID, I'm very curious why he needs another one, potentially doubling his cost of representation.

Why & any idea who - JL, possibly ?

MOO

In Idaho, at least two defense attorneys representing a defendant in a death penalty case is a matter of law -- including any post-conviction remedy that the defendant may choose to seek, pursuant to Idaho Code § 19-2719(4). Also, the attorneys appointed must be someone other than counsel who represented the defendant prior to the imposition of the death penalty.

 
  • #878
Interesting....

Blue Ridge Knives.
Ka-Bar
Door Dash
Match

Hmmmm.
If you look at the documents, many of them tell us who the info pertains to, i.e. the victims or BK.

The Yik Yak document caught my eye especially, and the account they are looking at belonged to BK: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Yik Yak Inc.pdf

Yik Yak was shut down years ago due to cyber harassment issues. The app allows people to completely anonymously, within a certain mile radius, to chat with others whether they like it or not:

IMO, this is very interesting and if BK did in fact have contact with any of the victims prior to the murders, Yik Yak would be one way to do it.

All JMO
 
  • #879
Interesting....

Blue Ridge Knives.
Ka-Bar
Door Dash
Match

Hmmmm.

Combine that with what we know from the lists was found places... that's quite a few different brands of knife in play, isn't it? Even if he only had one of each brand, that's what, three, four? Ka-Bar, speculated to be the murder weapon. A 'knife' no descriptor, a folding knife, a...something-Cutlery brand knife? I've forgotten. And now Blue Ridge?

Even if it's only one per, that seems a lot of knives for someone who doesn't seem to hunt or fish or camp.

I'm going to drop a quote here. Douglas, from Mindhunter. Douglas is very quotable, I'll give him that.

“Dennis Rader quoted Harvey Glatman as saying, 'It was all about the rope.' What exactly does that mean? The rope symbolized total control. The ultimate fantasy would be to keep these victims alive and dominated indefinitely, although both men knew that wasn't possible.”

That line, "It was all about the rope" has been running through my head since the early threads of following this case, since long before the arrest. Now, obviously, in this case, there is no rope. So it's not as direct as comparison as Rader was making when he quoted Glatman, both killers with an obsession with ligature strangulation.

But, since the early threads, what has been running through my head is, "It's all about the knife."

Why a knife? so many on here have asked. It's messy, you can injure yourself, you have to get up close, the victim can fight back, you can miss what you're aiming for, especially in the dark, it's a knife for a knife fetishist or collector or exmilitary, not a hunter, not a fisher, not a camper, and so on. Why not a gun? It's quick and you can do it from a distance? Why not strangulation? You can get up close, it's quiet, you can't stab yourself on a ligature or your bare hands.

I have felt from early on, it's a knife because, it's all about the knife.

I think it was always going to be a knife because he'd thought about it so often and for so long, and when he thought about it, it was always a knife.

So yeah, I'm very overtired, so probably not as coherent as I could be. I am not any kind of psych, especially not a profiler, but I think the knife is key. The knife might have even been more important to him than the victims. I think there's going to be a fixation on knives somewhere in there that goes back a long, long time into a dark, deep place in his mind. And I expect to see evidence that suggests that when we get to trial.

Very much My Opinion Only, and I apologise in advance for typos or incoherence, I'm about four hours past my bedtime.
 
  • #880
Why Blue River Knives?
It really is a numerous amount! Some docs have a release date but as you say, there's too many to itemize at the moment. ....
[*]02/28/2023 Order to Seal and Redact (Blue Ridge Knives)....
snipped for focus @gliving Thanks for the gazillion links.

This ^ reference to "Blue Ridge Knives" in Marion VA caught my attn.

Did BCK buy KA-BAR (or any knife, anything) from this biz?
Per footnotes below, not likely.
How /why is BRK relevant?
What info does BRK have?

ETA: scrolled down further, saw that page 12 of search warrant requested BRK's records of sales KA-BAR KA 1217S (sheath) from Jan 1, 2022 to present (Dec. 12, 2022), including items purchased, buyers' names & addresses, method of payment, correspondence, etc.

LE had info that in Mar & June, BRK has received ~ 840 of these sheaths.
OK, popular item.
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Per co. website* it is a "Wholesale Knife, Tactical, Outdoor & Hunting Gear Distributor" and under "Brands We Sell" include KA-BAR knives.
Website also has pages for "Knives Wanted."
Google reviews date back to 7 yrs. ago.

"Our primary focus is on general purpose knives but we also offer kitchen cutlery, swords, multi-tools, sharpeners, navigation, optics, survival, flashlights, and lighters."
"The best part about working with Blue Ridge Knives, Inc. is that we are a supplier only; we do not have any retail stores or a retail website. We only sell to qualified dealers. Our over 2,000 page color retail catalog and dealer price list is available to all qualified dealers. Our catalog is a great sales aide that you can display to your customers. Once you become a dealer, you will receive a monthly sales catalog that will assist you in finding the best new items to stock..."

 
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