4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #81

[wary]

Bbm.
Ita with your entire post.
Well stated. ^^^

I also wanted to add that the investigators may have used Luminol; and if they've found more evidence, imo they're keeping it under wraps, since there is no reason for them to divulge everything just yet.
There's no legal precedence that would compel them to have their hand forced at this time, correct ?
Sorry if that's too 'wordy', trying to say my opinion from a layman's perspective !

BK's atty's. are going to mount a vigorous defense, and also -- imo -- he will receive a fair trial !
His defense may try to say that if the only evidence is the knife sheath, that it was planted -- and BK was never inside the residence.
Makes me nervous for the families.
What if this unspeakable monster walks ?
M00.

LE would have to release their evidence to the defense as part of discovery. However, letting the general public know of it would definitely violate the gag order—either the letter or the spirit of it.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The jury will weigh the facts, I trust them.

I trust them to do the right thing too, which means if the state doesn't meet BARD, they'll vote not guilty. MOO.

 

[Erutan]

LE would have to release their evidence to the defense as part of discovery. However, letting the general public know of it would definitely violate the gag order—either the letter or the spirit of it.

MOO

Oh, ok.
Thanks for clarifying !

Makes me wonder if there will be a revelation to the public of something much more incriminating, and if the defense knows they're fighting a losing battle ?

 

[10ofRods]

It is plausible that he never used a shower curtain. IMO, what isn't plausible is someone with a habit of using a shower curtain breaking that habit. If he took his down to use as a drop cloth, he had time to replace it without looking suspicious.

I think if he had gone somewhere after the murders and bought a new shower curtain and paid cash and made sure to select a store that had *no* cameras, he would have been safe doing it. If he was paranoid about being caught, he might not have wanted to take that extra risk when he could reasonably avoid doing so.

Most places have cameras. It's also possible he never had a shower curtain. If he did use the shower curtain, that would have been an interesting piece of evidence to dispose of, in parts unknown. Unless he burned it, which I doubt (too risky), it could still turn up, some day.

IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do we think BK is penny-wise & pound-foolish? I don’t, but that’s MOO.

There are exceptions to every rule, but most students I know trying to establish residency for tuition purposes at UI or WSU start ASAP, MOO. By waiting for his PA vehicle registration to expire, he was foolishly screwing himself out of in-state tuition for the first semester of the next academic year, it seems to me. Now, it’s certainly possible through premeditation he had determined he’d not be returning to WSU well before the murders — IDK.

For those interested, here’s a WSU link for graduate students to establish residency for tuition purposes:Establishing Residency

“Copy of State of Washington vehicle registration, if you own or use a vehicle in the state of Washington. If you use (but do not own) a vehicle, it must be registered in the state of Washington. (Must have registered vehicle 12 months prior to beginning of semester)”

BBM

While this info is for the entire (current) academic year for grad students, this gives an idea of the actual cost of waiting for his PA vehicle registration expiring — it’s not chump change, MOO.
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Tuition & Expenses | Student Financial Services | Washington State University

As always, MOO

Agree, totally think he wasn't planning on returning either. He knew he was on LE's radar big time.

The 2 traffic stops in IN within 10 minutes of each other? Yeah, for sure he was suspicious. I know it's been denied that those were unrelated, but I still have my doubts. We may find out at trial, or we may never know for sure. The body cam did show a nice close up of BK's right hand.

Wonder what else BK might have been up to in the years prior to UW or even during the time he was there from June? LE, FBI are doing/have done a deep dive into his activities. I think we are going to find out a lot more than we expected.

All MOO

 

[TL4S]

IMO on the night of the BK's phone pinged off of Bluetooth and not WIFI.

The reason I believe this is because Google did not change Android's default Airplane Mode behavior until December of 2022. Up until then only Bluetooth was enabled in Airplane Mode (unless you had an iPhone). This move was made so you didn't lose connections to your headphones when turning on Airplane mode for takeoff. The ability for WIFI to remain enabled came that month (December).

This assumes BK put his phone into Airplane Mode instead of turning it completely off. Which is the only way that LE would have any bluetooth/wifi information for the night of..

I think LE likely has WIFI info for days/nights other than the murders. With the intent of narrowing the cellular tower data area for those who will say 'just because he's in that neighborhood it doesn't mean....". BK was likely a lot less careful on those days and I bet they have both Bluetooth and WIFI putting him in close range of the house on multiple days.

MOO

Did his phone touch wifi/bluetooth on the night of the murders, or was that on previous nights? I interpreted it as other nights, but now I wonder if BK could have had his phone in airplane mode, vs turned off, the night of the murders. Can LE tell by looking at phone records?

Kaylee Goncalves' father assumed suspect followed victims before Moscow murders

The affidavit also said Kohberger’s phone pinged near the girls’ home on King Road in Moscow at least 12 times in the months leading up to the murders.

“He was close enough that he was touching their wi-fi," Goncalves said.

 

[wary]

Oh, ok.
Thanks for clarifying !

Makes me wonder if there will be a revelation to the public of something much more incriminating, and if the defense knows they're fighting a losing battle ?

Well, that often happens. There’s many cases where a plea bargain of ‘guilty’ just happens out of nowhere, from our, (the public’s,) perspective, because the defense knows they’ll lose.

However, plea bargains are not always accepted. Westerfield, in California, kidnapped a little girl, killed her, and dumped her body. The DA said that they were within minutes of accepting a plea bargain, where he’d get a lesser sentence in exchange for telling where her body was. Then they got the phone call—searchers had found her body. The DA yanked the plea bargain off the table instantly, and the case went to trial. The defense argued that the defendant was innocent and framed. They lost.

I think that in Idaho, we might have the same sort of situation, where the prosecution doesn’t WANT a plea bargain.

 

[TL4S]

I’ve wondered if he took photos of his crime.

That was something I wondered about, as well, but I thought his phone was turned off during the murders. I'm not tech savvy, but if he had his phone in airplane mode, that would still register on phone records, right?

 

[Erutan]

Agree, totally think he wasn't planning on returning either. He knew he was on LE's radar big time.

The 2 traffic stops in IN within 10 minutes of each other? Yeah, for sure he was suspicious. I know it's been denied that those were unrelated, but I still have my doubts. We may find out at trial, or we may never know for sure. The body cam did show a nice close up of BK's right hand.

Wonder what else BK might have been up to in the years prior to UW or even during the time he was there from June? LE, FBI are doing/have done a deep dive into his activities. I think we are going to find out a lot more than we expected.

All MOO

Ita.
I remember BK's gaze on the body cam. towards the cop in one of those stops -- eyes wide and bugging out , he looked ultra nervous !

 

[girlhasnoname]

No, apologies for not being clear. I was addressing the speculation here that there was nothing necessarily suspicious about the timing of BK’s application to change the vehicle registration/title from PA to WA 5 days after the murder.

I do find the timing curious. Just MOO.

His tag and title was registered and still current in PA.

The murders took place late Sat early Sun 14th and he was right at the DMV on the 18th. Possible not related, not probable to me.

<snipped>

Bryan C. Kohberger, a suspect in the murders of four University of Idaho students, changed the title of his white 2015 Hyundai Elantra five days after the stabbings took place.
According to a public records request filed by KTVB, Kohberger, 28, applied to transfer the title of the Elantra from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which was issued on April 20, 2022, to Whitman County, Washington, on Nov. 18, 2022. It was then issued Dec. 5, 2022. Records show the vehicle was also registered.

Moscow suspect Bryan Kohberger changed title of Hyundai Elantra five days after murders


MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I hope none of the following will make anyone think I am a BK fan, but I do have some questions after reading the comments here in the last few pages.
AFAIK it isn't up to the defense to prove he didn't do it. It's up to the state to prove he did.
If there's nothing of the victims in the car, then the car doesn't help the prosecution. If there's no clear view of the plates or driver, then the video footage doesn't help the prosecution prove it was his car that was seen there.
If the ID's found in the glove aren't related to the King road house's residents, those are useless.
All there seems to be is the sheath with a single cell of touch DNA on it. And as far as I understand, that would be rather easy to sow doubt about (see story in article below), especially if there are chain of custody issues, which I think this is one thing the families are concerned about and why they may be reserving the right to sue the ISP/Moscow PD etc if they screwed any evidence up by processing it poorly)
His phone pinged in the area regularly... Is that enough to prove he killed them?
What I am getting at is, unless the prosecution has some huge bombshell we don't know about, it seems to me they actually don't have much that clearly shows he killed those 4 people. A lot of stuff that kinda hints that maybe he could have done it (because who wears latex gloves in their home yadda yadda), but nothing that unequivocally shows he did it.
I hope this all doesn't come across as a defense of BK. I just wish there was something really solid.
And if I am wrong on some of these facts please let me know!
Article on touch DNA :

Framed for Murder by His Own DNA

We leave traces of our genetic material everywhere, even on things we’ve never touched. That got Lukis Anderson charged with a brutal crime he didn’t commit.

www.themarshallproject.org

Good points, @Swansee.

I think the prosecution does have a bunch of bombshells, or mortar, that fills in the bricks of the limited circumstantial evidence the public is currently aware of that built them a solid case.

Edited:

The prosecution had to present their case (an overview, including evidence demonstrating their case) to a judge to get approval for seating the Grand Jury, and that all went down pretty quickly, as in there must not have been any doubts on the part of the judge based on the evidence presented that the public is unaware of.

The gag order has possibly kept some of the additional evidence they have from being leaked out to the media, but I doubt the prosecution would have let anything of significance get out even without the gag order, which is evidenced by all the sealed and redacted court documents that are available to the public/media.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

One thing I don’t understand …. With BK being a Criminolgy Student, and allegedly this murder being a planned premeditated murder…. Is why did he take his phone with him at all that night???? We all know it will catch you out…

To me, reading the affidavit, it seems like he actually forgot to turn his phone off before leaving his home …. And then has an “oops moment” 5mins later and turns his phone off ….

For someone who was studying a PHD in Criminolgy, who was allegedly attempting the perfect murder, wouldn’t you abort you plan right there and then as you had already made a mistake???? (Or am I being too rational?)
Especially if his predetermined alibi was built on being at home that night??? (He had already left his residence..)


On November 13,2022 al approximately 2:42 a.m., the 8458 Phone was utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to 1630 Northeast Valley Road, Apt G201, Pullman, WA, hereafter the "Kohberger Residence." At approximately 2:47 a.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage southeast ofthe Kohberger Residence consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the Kohberger Residence and traveling south through Pullman, WA'
This is consistent with the movement of the white Elantra. At approximately 2:47 a.m. the 8458 Phone stops reporting to the network, which is consistent with either the phone being in an area without cellular coverage, the connection to the network is disabled (such as putting the phone in airplane mode), or that the phone is tumed off

https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett%20Payne_0.pdf

I think the act of planning had been in motion awhile. Not only his phone on from Pullman to Moscow, but I mean he circles the house 3 times before finally stopping and parking?!

The adrenaline rush and physicality of carrying out these murders threw any preplanning out the window. I think BK had decided on that night and he was committed to commit it no matter what.

All MOO

 

[jepop]

Did his phone touch wifi/bluetooth on the night of the murders, or was that on previous nights?

I think the OP is saying defendant's phone could have only "touched" wifi/bluetooth on the night if he switched it to airplane mode for those approx 2 hours. If he turned it off then not possible. MOO. There is a return warrant from Moscow PD forensic lab re BK's phone. LE would know by now what the situ is here IMO- ie either switched off, airplane mode or battery ran out or there was no network coverage (anywhere he may potentially claim he went for those two hours). Latter two extremely unlikely IMO. My best guess is he switched it off entirely because I think he knew about airplane mode and if guilty wouldn't have risked it. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

So it was entirely *after* the murders. He really did wait past what a reasonable grad student would do. However, they are students and often late with such things.

Appears to have nothing to do with the expiration from PA (which should have been good until April 2023). Interesting that he applied after the murders. I need to go check what people have been posting about when he got the new plate - it seems he did not get it until Dec. 5. While I guess this could be seen as some kind of attempt to cover his tracks (like the visit to the doctor), it's hard to say. Seems like it made him a bit more suspicious.

Maybe he was losing it.

IMO.

ETB: Correction Dec 5th

 

[Cool Cats]

Ita.
I remember BK's gaze on the body cam. towards the cop in one of those stops -- eyes wide and bugging out , he looked ultra nervous !

He looks scared like he's gonna be arrested for ....... Car looks real clean, like all "wiped" down

Bryan Kohberger's First Indiana Traffic Stop, Cop Seems Suspicious, Video

Video has now surfaced of Bryan Kohberger's first traffic stop in Indiana, and the officer who pulled him over was asking a lot of questions about a "mass shooting."

www.tmz.com

 

[Helechawagirl]

I think the act of planning had been in motion awhile. Not only his phone on from Pullman to Moscow, but I mean he circles the house 3 times before finally stopping and parking?!

The adrenaline rush and physicality of carrying out these murders threw any preplanning out the window. I think BK had decided on that night and he was committed to commit it no matter what.

All MOO

I think it was a compulsion; he couldn’t stop himself.

 

[Helechawagirl]

He looks scared like he's gonna be arrested for .......

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Bryan Kohberger's First Indiana Traffic Stop, Cop Seems Suspicious, Video

Video has now surfaced of Bryan Kohberger's first traffic stop in Indiana, and the officer who pulled him over was asking a lot of questions about a "mass shooting."

www.tmz.com

Looks angry to me. Jmo

 

[U.N. Known]

Good points, @Swansee.

I think the prosecution does have a bunch of bombshells, or mortar, that fills in the bricks of the limited circumstantial evidence the public is currently aware of that built them a solid case.

Otherwise the judges wouldn't have signed off on the Probable Cause Affidavits (ID and PA) and Arrest Affidavit (PA) that allowed them to arrest BK and get the 4 search warrants (3 in PA, 1 in ID).

Also, the prosecution had to present their case (an overview, including evidence demonstrating their case) to a judge to get approval for seating the Grand Jury, and that all went down pretty quickly, as in there must not have been any doubts on the part of the judge based on the evidence presented that the public is unaware of.

The gag order has possibly kept some of the additional evidence they have from being leaked out to the media, but I doubt the prosecution would have let anything of significance get out even without the gag order, which is evidenced by all the sealed and redacted court documents that are available to the public/media.

JMO

Not really. We know the evidence used to get the arrest warrants. It isn't a secret bombshell; it's on the affidavit. They would have evidence we haven't seen for the Grand Jury, but even if they don't, the relatively little the public knows IMO is enough to say there needs to be a trial. Since the defense team did not present evidence to the GJ, I don't see why they wouldn't indict. IMO, it would be foolish to let BK just walk out jail without learning the other side of the story.

 

[Cool Cats]

Looks angry to me. Jmo

Alot can be read into his expression. When we see him he normally has a blank generic stare but in this traffic stop you get to see some interesting expressions on his face.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think it was a compulsion; he couldn’t stop himself.

I vacillate between compulsion or plan. BK wants to be important IMO.