4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #82

[Nila Aella]

RSBM

This most likely doesn't mean anything (including not what the warrant means), but goggle accounts and youtube require primary and back up email addresses, and you can't use your gmail account at least for youtube (not sure about google itself). I'm not sure if the same is true for other services they offer /own, and I can't remember if gmail requires the same, but I seem to remember an option of them sending email alerts to one's other email account (and proton mail does the same).

I have several proton mail accounts linked to me so I don't have to give out my primary / personal email account. And I have others using variations of my name or outright fake names. I haven't used those in ages and I doubt they're still active. And my intent wasn't malicious -- more a matter of security where I was concerned about the wrong type of people contacting me directly. I'm sure LE would have a field day figuring out every program, email, etc linked to me -- and the same with assorted websites that require detailed user info. Sometimes it's not smart to put everything out there.

Thank you. I was also heading that direction in thinking it did not mean anything.
I was just delving into whether it could mean a third party account that was using his regular email as a recovery email? Is that possible? MOO

 

[maconrich]

Thank you. I was also heading that direction in thinking it did not mean anything.
I was just delving into whether it could mean a third party account that was using his regular email as a recovery email? Is that possible? MOO

Sorry, I meant that my post doesn't mean anything and most likely isn't related to what's being examined by LE. Your post was great! It just brought to mind the countless email accounts that I have for innocent reasons. I'm not sure if a third party account could use his regular email as a recovery? It seems like they'd want to make sure they could access it if they needed to, but it's also possible they'd have no intention of ever using it or letting him know they used it? The back up accounts only matter if you manage to forget pw or something along those lines, and I'd think one could use any email addy they wanted as a recovery (no matter who it belongs to, if anyone)?

 

[Sundog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665687520150007811

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665688773261139970

TODAYshow
EXCLUSIVE: Stacy, the mom of Idaho murder victim Ethan Chapin, speaks to
@SavannahGuthrie
about what she wants the world to remember from her son and shares her new tattoo of his handwriting.

What a beautiful children's book that Stacy Chapin has written in memory of her son, Ethan.

Interesting that each of the triplets had a different color they wore when they were young, and Ethan wore blue.

 

[Sundog]

I posted the podcast info because I thought others may be interested. I am interested in it and wanted to share.

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Thank you for sharing the information. I have no doubt that there are many on the thread who are interested in the information you provided.

 

[Nila Aella]

Sorry, I meant that my post doesn't mean anything and most likely isn't related to what's being examined by LE. Your post was great! It just brought to mind the countless email accounts that I have for innocent reasons. I'm not sure if a third party account could use his regular email as a recovery? It seems like they'd want to make sure they could access it if they needed to, but it's also possible they'd have no intention of ever using it or letting him know they used it? The back up accounts only matter if you manage to forget pw or something along those lines, and I'd think one could use any email addy they wanted as a recovery (no matter who it belongs to, if anyone)?

I think your post was directly related
Absolutely, additional accounts can be innocent. People use multiple accounts for different reasons, like you described. IMO LE is looking for any accounts linked to his primary google account: another mail account or third party account perhaps. At the moment, I am thinking about whether they are looking for third party accounts (like snap) that are linked to his google account (as a recovery account or through cookies or through his phone). ICBTW though. Great point about using any email addy as a recovery!

It is interesting that the google search warrant return reports two accounts in the inventory. So they did find two links to his google account. Curious as to what the normal/average number of links to one's google account is? Two seems like a low number to me.

MOO

 

[jepop]

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Thank you for sharing the information. I have no doubt that there are many on the thread who are interested in the information you provided.

For sure.No doubt there are more silent readers than commenters, imo. I read for months here before joining. Then for some time after joining before making a comment.

 

[TL4S]

I think your post was directly related
Absolutely, additional accounts can be innocent. People use multiple accounts for different reasons, like you described. IMO LE is looking for any accounts linked to his primary google account: another mail account or third party account perhaps. At the moment, I am thinking about whether they are looking for third party accounts (like snap) that are linked to his google account (as a recovery account or through cookies or through his phone). ICBTW though. Great point about using any email addy as a recovery!

It is interesting that the google search warrant return reports two accounts in the inventory. So they did find two links to his google account. Curious as to what the normal/average number of links to one's google account is? Two seems like a low number to me.

MOO

For those of us with multiple emails and accounts, some with fake names, we likely did it to protect our identities from someone on the receiving end. We might not be doing it in the commission of a crime, but we're attempting to manipulate the situation all the same. If BK had multiple emails and accounts, even if he created them originally for the same reasons we did, LE is sure as s*#t going to want to investigate how he used them. For example - what if he originally made a fake account to use on Tinder, or something like that? But he made a mistep by using his real email as the recovery email because at that point his only intention was to communicate online. Then, as he became accustomed to using that account, he forgot the recovery email was linked to him. Obviously he should have known better, but many here seem to think his education and grades are not a real reflection of his knowledge and common sense. Maybe this was one of the mistakes he made when his online communications turned criminal. JMO.

 

[squareandrabbet]

There are a couple of ways to explain that, if it can be proven he was there for other reasons. [Not that I would believe any of them]
But let's say someone else killed them, and they set up BK by inviting him over to buy some drugs at 4 am----knowing they could stage the scene with his DNA, and get his car on ring cams, etc.

Not saying it happened, just saying there are scenarios where that could be seen as staged. [ Unless of course, this is a lot more DNA we don't know about yet]

I can’t imagine it will be an easy matter to work with DNA from 'the known party house'... the combo button press locks on the individual doors alone would seem to hold a potential nightmare plethora.

 

[10ofRods]

There are a couple of ways to explain that, if it can be proven he was there for other reasons. [Not that I would believe any of them]
But let's say someone else killed them, and they set up BK by inviting him over to buy some drugs at 4 am----knowing they could stage the scene with his DNA, and get his car on ring cams, etc.

Not saying it happened, just saying there are scenarios where that could be seen as staged. [ Unless of course, this is a lot more DNA we don't know about yet]

There was a single source (single person's) DNA on the sheath. It would be very hard to trick someone into touching the sheath snap without that person knowing they were touching the sheath clasp. How do these schemers manage to keep their own DNA off the sheath? ISL says it was just one profile on that use point.

So, it seems to me that if someone handed or gave the sheath to BK, and he used the snap (his DNA is found on the typical point on the sheath that one has to touch to use it - and only his DNA is there), were they wearing special gear while doing this?

imo

 

[jepop]

I think your post was directly related
Absolutely, additional accounts can be innocent. People use multiple accounts for different reasons, like you described. IMO LE is looking for any accounts linked to his primary google account: another mail account or third party account perhaps. At the moment, I am thinking about whether they are looking for third party accounts (like snap) that are linked to his google account (as a recovery account or through cookies or through his phone). ICBTW though. Great point about using any email addy as a recovery!

It is interesting that the google search warrant return reports two accounts in the inventory. So they did find two links to his google account. Curious as to what the normal/average number of links to one's google account is? Two seems like a low number to me.

MOO

The return is a little unclear for sure...(what isn't when it comes to the warrants)... I wonder if it specifies two separate google accounts or two links to the one account? One google account could have many links? Still only guessing. Maybe BK had an old google account which he deleted back in 2021 some time. And opened a fresh one in 2022 for instance. Maybe google servers still had info about that earlier account even though BK deleted from his devices, or the devices he was using at that time. Or maybe BK had two google accounts contemporaneously and one of them was a fake account with a fake name and phone number,linked to its own emails and recovery email addresses. And set up by him on a separate device to his regular account.

The zip file format for the data storage, suggest to me there may be a lot of it

MOO

 

[maconrich]

I found this interesting (about protonmail). And of course there are also temporary fake email generators and disposable email addys, etc (which I've never used).

"You can set ProtonMail always to use end-to-end encryption, even when sending emails to users of other services. This can be a pain for the recipient since the email will never actually arrive in their inbox; they will simply get a link that will take them to the message on ProtonMail’s server. They can access the message using a password that you will have to send them in some other way.

This method at least ensures that anyone who’s trying to trace you when you’re using ProtonMail, won’t have access to any of the information you’re communicating. You can even set the message to self-destruct after a certain amount of time, and that way, you can guarantee that your conversation stays private."

Much more at the link:

Can ProtonMail Be Traced? (Explained)

ProtonMail has grown in popularity so much that its name is more or less synonymous with encrypted email these days. This rise in popularity is understandable and justified, ... Read more

cybersynchs.com

 

[Boxer]

There was a single source (single person's) DNA on the sheath. It would be very hard to trick someone into touching the sheath snap without that person knowing they were touching the sheath clasp. How do these schemers manage to keep their own DNA off the sheath? ISL says it was just one profile on that use point.

So, it seems to me that if someone handed or gave the sheath to BK, and he used the snap (his DNA is found on the typical point on the sheath that one has to touch to use it - and only his DNA is there), were they wearing special gear while doing this?

imo

MOO they will perhaps have found the sheath sanitized, no DNA anywhere else, and the bonanza of a small bit of single profile DNA retained in the difficult to break in snap mechanism.
MOO It takes a lot of force to shut many military snapping and clipping gear, at least at first, and for a lot, always.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I posted the podcast info because I thought others may be interested. I am interested in it and wanted to share. I like podcast and I am interested in hearing more (even if a refresh) about the Idaho case. Option delete if become uninterested. It appears I may have been wrong about any interest here. Thank you for your response.

I think plenty here are interested. That isn't what my response was suggesting. I just find it interesting that a national news organization is doing a podcast now, when everyone is under a gag order, rather than waiting until the trial and/or the gag order is lifted when there's more info. It's just interesting to me because unless they have deeply embedded sources, I didn't expect this. And part of what makes it interesting is that maybe they do have new info, maybe they plan to investigate all the financial warrants, maybe they do have a new angle/take on how the victims may have known BK. That's what I was saying, not that you shouldn't have posted it. To be clear, it was no reflection whatsoever on you posting.

FWIW, just because I find it peculiar doesn't mean I won't be listening to it. I watched Dateline for the same reason. So thank you for sharing.

 

[ilovewings]

Mom of Idaho victim Ethan Chapin says family will skip Bryan Kohberger’s trial

The mother of slain University of Idaho student Ethan Chapin said her family does not plan to attend the trial of accused killer Bryan Kohberger – and want to spend their energy on keeping his memo…

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[10ofRods]

MOO they will perhaps have found the sheath sanitized, no DNA anywhere else, and the bonanza of a small bit of single profile DNA retained in the difficult to break in snap mechanism.
MOO It takes a lot of force to shut many military snapping and clipping gear, at least at first, and for a lot, always.

That would be very interesting. And yes, I would imagine the snap needed force. In order to test the leather right next to the snap, they'd have to do a little "consumptive" testing, which usually requires a court order. I would guess that the State has no reason to want to test further, but the Defense might (although, if what you say is what they find, it will not help the Defense).

So it's a bit of a gamble for the Defense to request consumptive testing at either ISL or another reputable lab (or both). If the Defense actually knows (from the Defendant) that he did possess a KA-BAR sheath and was in fact the only user of it (and cleaned the sheath frequently, unable of course to remove all DNA).

In my mind, BK wore gloves that night (medical style, I'd think, for maximum dexterity/grip on the knife). But at some point, he used that sheath without gloves, IMO. The area just beneath the edge of the snap should have lots of DNA. I wonder if BK's later wearing of gloves at the parental home was a kind of backward-engineering for a mistake he'd already made (really common human behavior to over-correct when a mistake is realized). Most people in his shoes (suspected of a quadruple homicide - as he surely knew he was), would be having waves of panic/adrenalin (even if not feeling much else). IMO.

Little routines and compensations can help a lot with that. Bagging trash in the middle of a sleepless night, etc.

imo

 

[Nila Aella]

Good point. Inventory receipt? Sounds specific, may not relate to data. Who would need to be informed that an inventory had been collated? Defense? Or if FAs had done separate, earlier download from another computer? They would want receipt of MPD's (eventual) inventory?

RE google -scope to Jan 2021- I noticed those differences especially the zip file and the reference to gmail accounts linked by recovery email. I had the thought that certain on-line purchases may have been done under a different name and through alternate gmail accounts or even separate google accounts on different devices. Could be that one/some of the prior sealed google warrants ( if for BK) uncovered some indication of another account he had set up under alternative email? Just some thoughts and moo.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On another note, I attempted to group the latest six warrants in terms of service dates, return dates and download dates. Looking at them chronologically with added musings.

BK Google: Possibly for two accounts- informed by earlier sealed Google warrants?
*Feb 25th: served
*9th March: data downloaded.
* Inventory receipt emailed to redacted x2.
*No specific mention in receipt of when email was received from Google directing to secure download (as is the usual case with other warrant receipts).
*Possible data was available for download prior to 9th March?
*Possibly downloaded by FA agent for perusal prior to 9th March?
*Could that explain inventory receipt emailed. Emailed to FA agents?
Or emailed to Defense?

Strava:
*Feb 26th: served. So unlikely to have been informed by Google warrant above but what of earlier sealed Google warrants?
*March 15th: email received saying data available for download.
*March 21: Data downloaded from strava secure portal.
*Possible FA did separate download and looked at data between March 15th and 21?

BK Reddit: Defendant well known for utilising Reddit.
*Jan 26th: served
*Feb 8th: email received with link to download
*March 22nd: specifically stated that data was downloaded to MPD computers.
*Possible FA looking at data bewteen Feb 8th and March 22nd.
*If so, possible findings may have informed seeking of warrant for Strava above.

BK tik tok:
*Jan 26th: Served
*March 31: Received an email "directing me to download the data". Not specified who sent email.
*April 3: Data downloaded and inventory prepared.
*Copy of inventory receipt emailed to x 2 redacted.
*Possible FA perused data from separate download before March 31 and after Jan 26th?
*If so Tiktok data could have informed Strava warrant.
*Inventory receipt emailed to FAs? Or defense?

AT&T: Two redacted wireless numbers,subscribers unknown. AT&T subscriber/account info sought in relation to these numbers.
*March 30: Warrant obtained
*April 3: Served
*April 12: Email received with requested information
*Inventory prepared.
*Time period is from June 23rd to August 1.
*BK legitimate AT&T account was opend June 23rd as per PCA.
*Possibly informed by data analysis of BK Google and/or Strava and/or BK Reddit/Tiktok warrants?

DM, BF & x4 Victims Snap:
*March 30: Warrant obtained.
*April 3: Served.
*April 12: email stating files available for download.
*April 13: Files downloaded and inventory prepared.
*Seems unlikley was informed by late November x 4 Victim Snap warrants?
*DM and BF are added.
*Time period is from June 23rd to August 1.
*BK legitimate AT&T account was opened June 23rd as per PCA.
*Possibly informed through data analysis of BK Google and/or Strava and/or BK Reddit/Tiktok warrants?

MOO

Great list and thoughts! TY for sharing. Bookmarked to look at more closely after some coffee!

Re: BK email/google
I went through all of the warrants specifically for BK just to see how many email/# are listed for him in the warrant looking for a change along the line somewhere:

Early Google: 1 email, 2 numbers
Match: 3 emails, one number
Yik Yak: 3 emails, one number
Google: 1 email (2021-2022)
Twitter: 3 email, one number
Google: requesting all accounts linked to google account
Reddit: 3 emails, one number
Tik Tok: 3 emails, one number

MOO

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, less noticeable at nighttime/early morning hours. It is pretty dark on those body cam visits to the house. White car with a person sitting in it still might stand out depending on where it is parked, but park in the back lot (like a visitor) and walk maybe. I also think about the neighbors dog being alerted to someone lurking, especially if outside a car. MOO

The only real time range that I recall seeing is the Aug 21 report: Sunday 10:34-11:35. Pretty active neighborhood even in the early morning hours (bodycam of that night). Could be looked at different ways: people around to see someone suspicious or more people around for a lurker to blend in.

I haven't really noted times of suspicious reports: but will be checking now. Thx.

MOO

I was thinking about these reports and I was wondering if there is a way to go back and figure out when their parties were between August and the murders. There was a day party on Tuesday Aug 16 where police talked to Kaylee. We know there was another party on September 1 where allegedly none of the residents was home because there is police bodycam due to a noise complaint. And the second bodycam video was from September 2 where Xana talked to police. It seems to me we might be able to go through the victims photos to try to determine other party dates.

We know BK was around the house on at least one date prior to the murders - does anyone have that date?

 

[Boxer]

Great list and thoughts! TY for sharing. Bookmarked to look at more closely after some coffee!

Re: BK email/google
I went through all of the warrants specifically for BK just to see how many email/# are listed for him in the warrant looking for a change along the line somewhere:

Early Google: 1 email, 2 numbers
Match: 3 emails, one number
Yik Yak: 3 emails, one number
Google: 1 email (2021-2022)
Twitter: 3 email, one number
Google: requesting all accounts linked to google account
Reddit: 3 emails, one number
Tik Tok: 3 emails, one number

MOO

MOO Don't see a dating app like McKenzie Lueck Seeking Arrangements app.

 

[TL4S]

I was thinking about these reports and I was wondering if there is a way to go back and figure out when their parties were between August and the murders. There was a day party on Tuesday Aug 16 where police talked to Kaylee. We know there was another party on September 1 where allegedly none of the residents was home because there is police bodycam due to a noise complaint. And the second bodycam video was from September 2 where Xana talked to police. It seems to me we might be able to go through the victims photos to try to determine other party dates.

We know BK was around the house on at least one date prior to the murders - does anyone have that date?

I believe it was the evening of Aug. 21, 2022. The next day was first day of classes at U of I.

 

[Balthazar]

I believe it was the evening of Aug. 21, 2022. The next day was first day of classes at U of I.

Thank you! I'm thinking we really need to develop a list of dates and known happenings at the house.