4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #82

[Nila Aella]

The return is a little unclear for sure...(what isn't when it comes to the warrants)... I wonder if it specifies two separate google accounts or two links to the one account? One google account could have many links? Still only guessing. Maybe BK had an old google account which he deleted back in 2021 some time. And opened a fresh one in 2022 for instance. Maybe google servers still had info about that earlier account even though BK deleted from his devices, or the devices he was using at that time. Or maybe BK had two google accounts contemporaneously and one of them was a fake account with a fake name and phone number,linked to its own emails and recovery email addresses. And set up by him on a separate device to his regular account.

The zip file format for the data storage, suggest to me there may be a lot of it

MOO

I had to go back and read it again! lol

So, I read that as All gmail accounts linked with any of the following identifiers (five) to his google account. The return mentions google accounts of redacted and redacted. It looks like his account is linked to 2 other accounts (through recovery email/cookie/androidid/creation IP/or ph#). Early google accounts like you mention. Trying to look at it from a different angle, maybe the identifiers are a person, business, or third party account? An affidavit would be nice for clarity MOO
Agree about the Zip file!

ETC account to accounts


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[Nila Aella]

MOO Don't see a dating app like McKenzie Lueck Seeking Arrangements app.

The Match warrant is TInder. MOO

 

[Boxer]

The Match warrant is TInder. MOO

Right. Forgot.

 

[Justice101]

There was a single source (single person's) DNA on the sheath. It would be very hard to trick someone into touching the sheath snap without that person knowing they were touching the sheath clasp. How do these schemers manage to keep their own DNA off the sheath? ISL says it was just one profile on that use point.

So, it seems to me that if someone handed or gave the sheath to BK, and he used the snap (his DNA is found on the typical point on the sheath that one has to touch to use it - and only his DNA is there), were they wearing special gear while doing this?

imo

Agree.

And all this is likely a moot point because the knife sheath DNA is only going to be one piece of the puzzle.

How does the defense create a story that questions every single piece of evidence (and I believe there will be a MOUNTAIN of evidence) that BK is the killer? The answer is: they can't and still have respect.

When you have the resources of the state of Idaho and the FBI and their evidence gathering/analyzing teams, they will find things you would never imagine.

IF BK did it.... then he certainly left a long trail. These people are really good at what they do. That's why you hear that when the Feds get involved in the case, rarely is there even a trial. They do that good of a job.

For example... did he google "Breaking News" for Moscow, ID... BEFORE noon on that following morning before it was publicly known there was a murder? And was that the ONLY time he googled that subject for Moscow? Did he do a search on his phone or laptop of that exact residence very close to the time of the homicides?

I still believe this will not go to trial. Once all the evidence is passed over to the defense and once the defense has the moment of reckoning.. .this will be over with an announcement that he either pleads guilty or goes with an Alford plea.

If lucky, the "deal" he will get will be spared the death sentence in exchange for no chance for parole.

Just my opinion based on experience.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Absolutely agree about there being an increase after a quadruple murder: it has only been 7 months.

Just relaying my observations reading the daily log during this time, still reading it. Neighborhoods and businesses, students and business owners reporting people for all types of behavior, stange cars parked, bicycles, items, people sleeping, strange noises, cars with doors open, cars with people in them, people in a park etc.

Many posters have said that they feel BK gives off a creepy vibe. Reportedly stares, makes people uncomfortable, doesn't blend in social situations. IMO, the house location has been described as a fish bowl, with a lot of activity. I don't think he could have sat still and close enough for a long period of time without being noticed. JMO Maybe farther away with sight aids? Or some type of following?

It would be interesting to know the suspicious persons calls between June and November from that neighborhood. MOO

I think that’s a really good question! I’ve read the MPD DALs for so many years, but I don’t have a sense of that.

What I can say is that general off-campus area is perhaps the most patrolled, or nearly so, part of town. Lots of complaints, especially noise complaints. It’s a very active part of town, LOL.

In any case, for some sleuth interested in doing a deeper dive, they could always do a public records request for the DALs for any specified time frame:
MPD Public Records Request | Moscow, ID
It’s a simple process & MPD has always been impressively responsive, MOO.

As always, MOO & YMMV

 

[NyxNY]

DBM

 

[BUF]

The mother of one of four University of Idaho students fatally stabbed last year won’t attend the accused killer’s trial - East Idaho News

(CNN) — The mother of one of the four University of Idaho students who were fatally stabbed in an off-campus home last year said she won’t attend the trial of her son’s accused killer. “It doesn’t change the outcome,” Stacy Chapin, whose 20-year-old son Ethan was killed in the attack, told NBC’s...

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Agree.

And all this is likely a moot point because the knife sheath DNA is only going to be one piece of the puzzle.

How does the defense create a story that questions every single piece of evidence (and I believe there will be a MOUNTAIN of evidence) that BK is the killer? The answer is: they can't and still have respect.

When you have the resources of the state of Idaho and the FBI and their evidence gathering/analyzing teams, they will find things you would never imagine.

IF BK did it.... then he certainly left a long trail. These people are really good at what they do. That's why you hear that when the Feds get involved in the case, rarely is there even a trial. They do that good of a job.

For example... did he google "Breaking News" for Moscow, ID... BEFORE noon on that following morning before it was publicly known there was a murder? And was that the ONLY time he googled that subject for Moscow? Did he do a search on his phone or laptop of that exact residence very close to the time of the homicides?

I still believe this will not go to trial. Once all the evidence is passed over to the defense and once the defense has the moment of reckoning.. .this will be over with an announcement that he either pleads guilty or goes with an Alford plea.

If lucky, the "deal" he will get will be spared the death sentence in exchange for no chance for parole.

Just my opinion based on experience.

MOO:

I agree, @Justice101, especially that there will be no public trial.

I foresee more grand juries and judges making decisions instead of a standard 'trial' jury, due to [ETA (#s)]: (1) the heinousness of the crimes, (2) the amount of (IMO) irrefutable evidence LE has that indicates BK is the one who killed them, and (3) the high profile nature of the case (that has in turn shone the spotlight on innocent people connected to the case who require protection of their identities to keep from harm, as stated in the reasons for sealed documents).

I'm not sure of the legal vehicles available to the prosecution and defense to have that 'moment of reckoning' -- can GJs be used for this, even though by law, the defendant and attorneys do not participate in GJ proceedings -- as in, could they make an exception in a case like this, and all sit down in a GJ or GJ-like setting together and hash things out?

Either way, BK and his defense team will be considering the following regarding punishment options for 1st degree murder (and in this case make that x 4) (BUBM):

"TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 40
HOMICIDE
18-4004. Punishment for murder. Subject to the provisions of sections 19-2515 and 19-2515A, Idaho Code, every person guilty of murder of the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life, provided that a sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the prosecuting attorney filed written notice of intent to seek the death penalty as required under the provisions of section 18-4004A, Idaho Code, and provided further that whenever the death penalty is not imposed the court shall impose a sentence.

If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, finds a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt but finds that the imposition of the death penalty would be unjust, the court shall impose a fixed life sentence.

If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, does not find a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt or if the death penalty is not sought, the court shall impose a life sentence with a minimum period of confinement of not less than ten (10) years during which period of confinement the offender shall not be eligible for parole or discharge or credit or reduction of sentence for good conduct, except for meritorious service."

Section 18-4004 – Idaho State Legislature

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I believe it was the evening of Aug. 21, 2022. The next day was first day of classes at U of I.

Do we know if there was a party that night?

 

[Boxer]

Agree.

And all this is likely a moot point because the knife sheath DNA is only going to be one piece of the puzzle.

How does the defense create a story that questions every single piece of evidence (and I believe there will be a MOUNTAIN of evidence) that BK is the killer? The answer is: they can't and still have respect.

When you have the resources of the state of Idaho and the FBI and their evidence gathering/analyzing teams, they will find things you would never imagine.

IF BK did it.... then he certainly left a long trail. These people are really good at what they do. That's why you hear that when the Feds get involved in the case, rarely is there even a trial. They do that good of a job.

For example... did he google "Breaking News" for Moscow, ID... BEFORE noon on that following morning before it was publicly known there was a murder? And was that the ONLY time he googled that subject for Moscow? Did he do a search on his phone or laptop of that exact residence very close to the time of the homicides?

I still believe this will not go to trial. Once all the evidence is passed over to the defense and once the defense has the moment of reckoning.. .this will be over with an announcement that he either pleads guilty or goes with an Alford plea.

If lucky, the "deal" he will get will be spared the death sentence in exchange for no chance for parole.

Just my opinion based on experience.

Or MOO it will be a Chandler Halderson type trial where the defendent trades any advantages of plea bargaining for the chance to re-live their crime in court.

 

[Nila Aella]

• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Alex Brizee in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Angenette Levy in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Chris Ingalls in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Erica Zucco in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Morgan Romero in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Sally Krutzig in Support of Motion
• 06/02/2023 Declaration of Taylor Mirfendereski in Support of Motion
• 06/05/2023 Notice of Hearing Defendants Motion Requesting Release of Grand Jury Materials
• 06/05/2023 Notice of Hearing Defendants Motion to Make Available Record of All Proceedings of Grand Jury

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

MOO:

I agree, @Justice101, especially that there will be no public trial.

I foresee more grand juries and judges making decisions instead of a standard 'trial' jury, due to the heinousness of the crimes, the amount of (IMO) irrefutable evidence LE has that indicates BK is the one who killed them, and the high profile nature of the case (that has in turn shone the spotlight on innocent people connected to the case who require protection of their identities to keep from harm, as stated in the reasons for sealed documents).

I'm not sure of the legal vehicles available to the prosecution and defense to have that 'moment of reckoning' -- can GJs be used for this, even though by law, the defendant and attorneys do not participate in GJ proceedings -- as in, could they make an exception in a case like this, and all sit down in a GJ or GJ-like setting together and hash things out?

Either way, BK and his defense team will be considering the following regarding punishment options for 1st degree murder (and in this case make that x 4) (BBM):

"TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 40
HOMICIDE
18-4004. Punishment for murder. Subject to the provisions of sections 19-2515 and 19-2515A, Idaho Code, every person guilty of murder of the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life, provided that a sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the prosecuting attorney filed written notice of intent to seek the death penalty as required under the provisions of section 18-4004A, Idaho Code, and provided further that whenever the death penalty is not imposed the court shall impose a sentence.

If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, finds a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt but finds that the imposition of the death penalty would be unjust, the court shall impose a fixed life sentence.

If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, does not find a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt or if the death penalty is not sought, the court shall impose a life sentence with a minimum period of confinement of not less than ten (10) years during which period of confinement the offender shall not be eligible for parole or discharge or credit or reduction of sentence for good conduct, except for meritorious service."

Section 18-4004 – Idaho State Legislature

I'm sorry, but that's frightening. I care about the innocent people wrapped up in this too, but a man's life is on the line and IMO, he deserves his Constitutional right to a PUBLIC trial. If he wants to plea because he's guilty, great. But what a public trial could mean for others shouldn't be the reason that judges and GJs make decisions.

MOO.

 

[10ofRods]

I can only imagine what they'll find in his google searches. In the end, all of this digital data is likely to be what AT is going to have to challenge. I assume he also had a Tinder account, from these warrants (some of you will know if I'm wrong). I wonder if he ever went out on any actual dates/hang outs with potential romantic partners (both before and after moving to Pullman).

From an investigational point of view, they'll want to put together how he spent his free time, what his "type" of woman might be, whether he had any real world friendships/relationships of any depth, etc. Something tells me that BK has done a fair amount of writing over his lifetime and that they'll find quite a bit of it, including papers for his various classes. It would be interesting to see exactly what he chose to research and study.

What I don't see in the discovery documents are any references to medical records of any kind. I assume that BK intends to present himself as healthy and lacking in any mental defect, able to stand trial and cooperate with his defense.

imo

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I'm sorry, but that's frightening. I care about the innocent people wrapped up in this too, but a man's life is on the line and IMO, he deserves his Constitutional right to a PUBLIC trial. If he wants to plea because he's guilty, great. But what a public trial could mean for others shouldn't be the reason that judges and GJs make decisions.

MOO.

Yes, I see what you mean, but that aspect of my opinion was only 1 part of 3 as to why I think there may not be a public trial.

I think it would only happen this way if he were to plead guilt or Alford plea and waived his right to trial.

But it's a possibility nonetheless, that there won't be a public trial, even if my 3 opinions about why are proven untrue (it's something else).

MOO.

 

[Teche]

Both degrees at DeSales, close to home ….

Kohberger received his undergraduate degree in psychology in 2018. After that, he began master’s degree studies in criminal justice, also at DeSales University.

As a commuter student, Kohberger came and went from DeSales’ campus during his undergraduate psychology studies.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Bryan Kohberger flew under the radar for most of his life before he was accused of killing four Universi of Idaho students in November 2022.

lawandcrime.com

Edit to add: He also commuted to NCC

Northampton Community College, or NCC, where Kohberger received an associates of arts and psychology degree in 2018.

“Northampton Community College is a beautiful school. It’s a well respected academic institution,” Hauck said. “I would call it a pillar in the community, there’s a lot of kids that go.”

Kohberger himself commuted about 50 minutes from Albrightsville to the NCC’s Bethlehem campus while studying for the degree.

Was his 1st time living on his own the one semester residing in Washington?

 

[Nila Aella]

• 05/31/2023 States Response to Defendants Motions Regarding Grand Jury Record and Transcript

I think this is new as well. MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

A few new ones on the summary page that haven't made it over yet to the Cases of interest page.
MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Was his 1st time living on his own the one semester residing in Washington?

AFAIK, yes, it was. JMO. Haven't seen it proven or disproven, but I haven't seen anything in MSM about him ever living anywhere else except with his family in PA.

 

[Nila Aella]

Briefing schedule/Oral argument schedule for hearings on Friday:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/052323%20Order%20Setting%20Briefing%20Schedule%20and%20Scheduling%20Oral%20Argument.pdf

 

[Teche]

It's very interesting to me that a national news organization is starting a podcast series on this "mystery."

That's a really healthy response and reasoning in my opinion.

I agree. My husband lost his 18 y/o brother as a result of a terrible one-car accident in which he was a passenger. The loss was devastating for the family, especially his parents. The day of the funerals, the family went to the funeral homes for the wake of the driver and another passenger’s wakes before going to their son’s wake and funeral. My inlaws handled the horrid event with grace.