4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[girlhasnoname]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666354329442304000

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I've learned from this application BK has stamina and arm strength (boxing, running), knife skills, and HVAC experience. I've always wondered why the HVAC van was spotted at the crime scene so shortly after the murders, could it be related?

Where was BK's one year of Law Enforcement place of employment? The security guard job he was fired from?

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Just rewatched these two in full. First seems to be about three days later and second after that, but both within a week of the crimes. What stood out to me most was the repeated statements by Chief Fry and ISP Captain Kendrick Wills that all angles/people, all potential links and every tip were being subject to thorough follow through. Also the early belief re this being a targetted attack, based on the totality of evidence so far. The initial/early anlaysis crime scene itself I speculate was a key piece of this totality that informed that view. Clearly some of the media were fixated (MOO) on the 911 call, timing and so forth. I feel for chief Fry trying to field those questions, knowing that protecting the surviving roommates' privacy and their status being present in the house at the time, their possible future role as witnesses in the case, in addition to the integrity of the nascent investigation were likely the prime motivators Imoo.

Excellent points! As this case as progressed, I have noticed that many of the statements by LE had to be given with their primary goal of catching and prosecuting the person who committed this crime. Many statements that they released to the press have to be viewed/listened to through that lens ( there are times where the information released to the public appears to not have been accurate IMO). I give more weight to the released court documents. JMO

 

[jepop]

Thanks for the summary!

<modsnip: off topic>

Also, IMO the line about the Sentra sounds like it was fed to the NYTimes by someone in the defenses camp. As long as we are pointing fingers based on who the leak hurts most.

Why do you say that? Everything in the list there is stuff we already knew, or could easily infer, about the elantra?

On another note, I'm finding it hard to join in conversation about this article without having access. Whilst I appreciate the OPs summary, I would prefer to read and draw my own inferences. Especially in regard to this item of the summary

"By the morning of December 19, investigators ID'd BK as a POI."

I think, it's possible that at around this time, LE may have been close to getting probable cause for AT&T BK account phone records (warrants granted 23rd DEc). But how do we infer the precise process and timing from 29th November onwards of LE's narrowing down of BK as POI? He was identified on Nov 29th, we know that much. Moo

Moo

 

[Nila Aella]

Why do you say that? Everything in the list there is stuff we already knew, or could easily infer, about the elantra?

On another note, I'm finding it hard to join in conversation about this article without having access. Whilst I appreciate the OPs summary, I would prefer to read and draw my own inferences. Especially in regard to this item of the summary

"By the morning of December 19, investigators ID'd BK as a POI."

I think, it's possible that at around this time, LE may have been close to getting probable cause for AT&T BK account phone records (warrants granted 23rd DEc). But how do we infer the precise process and timing from 29th November onwards of LE's narrowing down of BK as POI? He was identified on Nov 29th, we know that much. Moo

Moo

If you go to Mike Bakers NYT twitter account you can link directly to the article:

Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer (Published 2023)

After four students were stabbed to death in a house near a college campus, investigators scooped up data and forensic evidence, hoping for leads. A new DNA technique finally brought a breakthrough.

t.co

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

edit on his account he notes it as a "gift" article

 

[jepop]

So 12/19 instead of 11/29? Makes more sense IMHO

from the PCA which seems to imply (?) id was made 11/29

HE was identified on 29th November, but we do not know the precise evolution of the investigation that lead to him being primary suspect Imo. I would conjecture, that along with possible others, he became a POI on 29th November. By 23rd December LE had the PC to pull his phone records. Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO, this "Compliance with IC 19-519 may tread into disclosures of protected information," indicates to me that this is likely medical information. Idaho does not have an insanity defense due to a law passed in 1982 in part in response to outrage over John Hinckley, Jr.'s verdict, but also, because the insanity defense was being misused. Idaho DOES have a Guilty but Insane verdict. The Timmy Kinner, Jr. multiple stabbing case of 9 victims which was in Boise, ID resulted in a guilty plea and two life sentences without the chance for parole. There may be some possible parallels with this case :

Idaho is one of only 4 states without a criminal insanity defense

At a recent court hearing, Timmy Kinner Jr.’s defense attorneys spoke publicly for the first time about their concerns for their client’s mental health.

apnews.com

Timmy Kinner Jr. pleads guilty to murder, assault and battery charges

BOISE – Timmy Kinner Jr., 32, accused of breaking into a Boise apartment building where a 3-year-old girl was celebrating a birthday, stabbing her to death and injuring eight others

www.idahopress.com

I do wonder if this case will have a similar result, particularly now that the defense has brought up "protected information."

If the Defense plans on using some sort of mental defect as an alibi or mitigating circumstance, they will have to disclose BK's mental health history.

MOO

 

[jepop]

I think the defense is looking for a possible alibi that won’t be contradicted by the evidence that the prosecution has collected. That’s going to take a lot of time and work—it’s nothing like just saying: “I was in such and such a place, doing such and such a thing.”

That's my thought too. They haven't yet decided if they will or will not file an alibi defense. Looking to see if they can find one that may be worth putting before a jury. Moo

 

[Nila Aella]

RBBM: Re alibi defense I agree. It is a particular and clearly defined defense as you have outlined above per ICR, criminal procedure (?) 19-5 . If defense do file one,then there are requirements that the prosecution must subsequently meet as well. The latest filing by the defense is asking for an extension of time to make a decision on whether to file one or not, Imo. They are doing this as per subsection (5) "For good cause shown...". Moo

IMO the the filing here suggests the D will be complying with the alibi request, ie that BK has an alibi.
The request is asking for an exception, and alternatively an extension of time to comply with the alibi request:

MOTION FOR AN EXCEPTION OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE TO EXTEND TIME FOR COMPLIANCE WITH LC. §19-519

IMO the D request for exception OR extra time is due to the amount of discovery they have to go through.

From the motion:
Since Mr. Kohberger’s arrest in late December the Prosecutor has disclosed 51 terabytes of information that includes thousands of pages of discovery, thousands ofphotographs, hundreds of hours of recordings, further, many gigabytes of electronic phone record and social media data has been disclosed. Discovery is voluminous and still ongoing.

The D will want to examine all the P evidence to make sure the alibi is as solid as possible. Identifying anything the prosecution has that supports his alibi and countering anything that might contradict his alibi. That requires them to go through every piece of evidence. And as AT stated in the motion, they need to determine how to deal with protected information. JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

HE was identified on 29th November, but we do not know the precise evolution of the investigation that lead to him being primary suspect Imo. I would conjecture, that along with possible others, he became a POI on 29th November. By 23rd December LE had the PC to pull his phone records. Moo

THIS! 100%

 

[Megnut]

Speculation....

If BK was in fact stalking one of the young women, might he have entered the house previously, under false pretense? Dressed say as an HVAC technician, with a credible uniform and a believable excuse? >Yes, Ma'am, management sent me to check on radon levels, I'll just be a minute. Can you show me the thermostat?<

It would've given him boots on the ground, full access to the lay-out. Cause to be on every level. Also an opportunity to install a hidden camera. Not saying he did, just noting the possibility.

Of course it's also very possible the HVAC presence at the house had to do with a different aspect of the case or mere practical matters.

I just can't shave the feeling that he'd been inside before.

jmo

 

[Nila Aella]

DBM

 

[ilovewings]

Speculation....

If BK was in fact stalking one of the young women, might he have entered the house previously, under false pretense? Dressed say as an HVAC technician, with a credible uniform and a believable excuse? >Yes, Ma'am, management sent me to check on radon levels, I'll just be a minute. Can you show me the thermostat?<

It would've given him boots on the ground, full access to the lay-out. Cause to be on every level. Also an opportunity to install a hidden camera. Not saying he did, just noting the possibility.

Of course it's also very possible the HVAC presence at the house had to do with a different aspect of the case or mere practical matters.

I just can't shave the feeling that he'd been inside before.

jmo

he wouldn't have to go through all that to gain access to the house, would he? people coming and going -----lots of strangers no doubt in that house! lots of parties at that house I imagine

 

[NCWatcher]

There have been a number of people found guilty of serious crimes, imprisoned, and later released when new evidence showed they were not guilty. All the ones I've read about insisted they were innocent from the start. I am sure many told various people like LE and attorneys they weren't at the scene at the time of the crime and said where they were instead. (In other words, they tried to provide alibis.)

IF BK was somewhere else-- nearby but not at the crime scene-- I'm not sure it's as easy as just saying so as many posts seem to suggest. I expect most of us have not been accused of committing a serious crime but I don't think we'd be let go just because we "screamed" we were innocent.
JMO

 

[TL4S]

Re the UPS search warrant for delivery truck video from Moscow. Date of warrant can be seen at the link.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20United%20Parcel%20Service%20UPS.pdf

This warrant (from early Dec) is interesting to me. It only covers the week before the murders, but it's all of Moscow. It makes me think about how the white elantra was captured east of King Rd, heading back west on Styner and Indian Hills shortly before the murders. I wonder if LE was looking for the white elantra around town, or maybe at places the elantra was at the same time as the victims...etc. That's all just speculation. I don't think it was known yet by early Dec that BK's phone had utilized the same cellular resources as King Rd., mostly late night and early morning hours (when I'm assuming UPS would not be out). I'm really curious if LE found anything out through these videos. JMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

I've learned from this application BK has stamina and arm strength (boxing, running), knife skills, and HVAC experience. I've always wondered why the HVAC van was spotted at the crime scene so shortly after the murders, could it be related?

Where was BK's one year of Law Enforcement place of employment? The security guard job he was fired from?

MOO

I’m not sure what he meant by claiming LE experience. The top of this application is dated November 2015, so he would have been 20 years old? (If he’s 28 now.)

This application with the School District is what got him the Security Guard position.

From the article:

Kohberger was applying to work school security in the Pleasant Valley School District. He was hired and eventually promoted, but resigned in 2021.

In his resignation letter, Kohberger said "I understand that if I do not resign, I have a right to a school board hearing to determine if I should be dismissed from employment with the School District."

Pleasant Valley School District declined to comment on his departure.

Report: Kohberger described cutting fish, boxing in Pleasant Valley School District job application

Bryan Kohberger, the Monroe County man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, described "cutting fish" in a job application from 2015.

www.wfmz.com

ETA: I looked at what he wrote about law enforcement and I think he meant a year of school, not employment. He mentions attending MCTI. Perhaps this place:

Criminal Justice / Criminal Justice

 

[Nila Aella]

I’m not sure what he meant by claiming LE experience. The top of this application is dated November 2015, so he would have been 20 years old? (If he’s 28 now.)

This application with the School District is what got him the Security Guard position.

From the article:

Kohberger was applying to work school security in the Pleasant Valley School District. He was hired and eventually promoted, but resigned in 2021.

In his resignation letter, Kohberger said "I understand that if I do not resign, I have a right to a school board hearing to determine if I should be dismissed from employment with the School District."

Pleasant Valley School District declined to comment on his departure.

Report: Kohberger described cutting fish, boxing in Pleasant Valley School District job application

Bryan Kohberger, the Monroe County man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, described "cutting fish" in a job application from 2015.

www.wfmz.com

He listed that LE experience under his high school which has a public safety pathway program.

http://pvhs.chicousd.org/documents/One-Pager-PV-Public-Safety.pdf

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

He listed that LE experience under his high school which has a public safety pathway program.

http://pvhs.chicousd.org/documents/One-Pager-PV-Public-Safety.pdf

MOO

We were posting at the same time lol.
I edited mine to add that he meant schooling, not employment but I guessed that it would have been at the technical school MCTI.
I stand corrected.

jmo

 

[TL4S]

In his resignation letter, Kohberger said "I understand that if I do not resign, I have a right to a school board hearing to determine if I should be dismissed from employment with the School District."

SBMFF.

So, it appears he had a problem at that job, as well. I wonder what the issue was.

 

[Sundog]

Speculation....

If BK was in fact stalking one of the young women, might he have entered the house previously, under false pretense? Dressed say as an HVAC technician, with a credible uniform and a believable excuse? >Yes, Ma'am, management sent me to check on radon levels, I'll just be a minute. Can you show me the thermostat?<

It would've given him boots on the ground, full access to the lay-out. Cause to be on every level. Also an opportunity to install a hidden camera. Not saying he did, just noting the possibility.

Of course it's also very possible the HVAC presence at the house had to do with a different aspect of the case or mere practical matters.

I just can't shave the feeling that he'd been inside before.

jmo

I think there's a good chance that BK had been inside the King Road house before, at one of the large parties, perhaps in August as the new academic year was beginning and lots of new people at the parties both inside and outside of the house.

We know from the 30-year old chef who was interviewed several times early on in this case (a neighbor who lived in an apartment close to the King Road house) that he had gone to several of the parties in summer 2022, even though he didn't know anyone who lived there at the time, and even though he wasn't a student, but worked as a chef in Pullman.

 

[Boxer]

Perhaps it's just me, but I actually think that's pretty powerful, especially ending with he stood silent.

Cant say Not Guilty? Make the judge don it for him. MOO sounds like he is afraid to assert his innocence.