4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I edited that post and took out the kicked off campus part because yes he was kicked off campus but not until he was served the letter from WSU in the Pennsylvania jail.

If anyone can find this letter please post. Thanks. It was previously posted before.

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https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

It IS odd.

I've been following the Leila Cavett case in Florida and police asked for help identifying the owner of a car and put photos of the exact car out that were taken by a convenience store video camera.

In this case, the ONLY picture of an actual vehicle that MIGHT be involved in this case was presented by a convenience store clerk. That vehicle in their convenience store video was clearly an Elantra - no question about it, even though the picture was blurry. How could LE NOT have any other photos - even blurry ones of the car in question, if they got video of the vehicle from the RING camera next door to 1122 King Rd and other locations?

IIRC, The clerk video still was on Highway 8 at 3:45AM.
Does anyone know which way the car was traveling on Highway 8 in that capture?
MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

<snipped for focus>

In your earlier post you stated that completing the TA position was required in order to complete the PhD program. My post stated that this is not the case, he could complete the PhD program without completing the TA position.

In order to fund his education, it was now up to him, no tuition covered as he was no longer a TA in the second semester. BK could have taken out student loans, I guess, and applied for federal funding for the second year, as well as student loans.

If he was establishing a state residency in Washington in order to be eligible for the in-state tuition for the TA, he would also be eligible for the in-state tuition in his second year as a doctoral student in Washington - even without the TA position. And he would be paying in-state tuition in his second year as a resident of the state. So no difference in tuition rate for his second year, if he established residency as he was apparently doing by changing his license, etc.

Edited to add - BK would be eligible for in-state tuition even without the TA position in his second year as a doctoral student at WSU, as long as he established his residency in Washington state per the requirements.

All good points, except he would have been on the hook for out-of-state tuition for the first semester of his second year as well. This isn't the link I provided in earlier threads, but it's good enough, MOO. The delay in registering his vehicle sealed that determination, MOO.
https://gradschool.wsu.edu/documents/2015/02/residency-questionnaire-and-instructions.pdf/

"Copy of State of Washington vehicle registration, if you own or use a vehicle in the state of Washington. If you use (but do not own) a vehicle, it must be registered in the state of Washington. (Must have registered vehicle 12 months prior to beginning of semester)"
BBM

HTH

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Even if someone is absolutely innocent and was in fact driving at 4am, demonstrating their innocence is not always as simple as we would seem. It doesn't mean that you "should not need additional time to find something to tether you." It's about having the capacity to carefully examine every piece of evidence, no matter how extensive or weak, in order to develop a solid defence.

An alibi is more than simply a statement of where you were; it also includes reliable proof to back up your claim. Additionally, proving an alibi can be difficult depending on the particulars of a case. Consider the scenario where it is necessary to check surveillance cameras, phone records, social media data, etc. Particularly if there is a substantial amount of evidence that is still incoming, this job can take a very long period.

My point is that the legal system is more complicated than just "guilty" or "not guilty." It involves taking the necessary time and care to ensure that everyone receives a fair trial. Additionally, there are situations when doing so entails requesting more time to meet legal obligations. It's only a step in the process of making sure a fair trial; it doesn't imply guilt or deception.

From: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/012323 States Response to Request for Discovery.pdf

 

[Cool Cats]

I disagree the opinions would be different if he weren't a PhD student. Is there bias? Sure, there is bias on both sides. But IMO, there are a lot of things that form those biases in at least some people, it has little to do with him being a PhD student. JMO.

Not necessarily so much PHD, but ad nauseam to the constant MSM references to BK's studies in Criminology.

Because of his criminal studies, MSM articles erroneously just assume that BK thinks he is smarter than LE, and that being smarter he thought he could outsmart LE with his homicides.

(I don't think his homicides were that well thought out, I think they were emotionally based but that is a different direction)

Since his arrest, MSM has often referenced him as some sort of self-proclaimed criminal mastermind because he was simply a criminal justice student.

But yes, his being a student of CJ (they forget his psychology degree) seems to drive a great deal of the narrative on him.

 

[Sundog]

All good points, except he would have been on the hook for out-of-state tuition for the first semester of his second year as well. This isn't the link I provided in earlier threads, but it's good enough, MOO. The delay in registering his vehicle sealed that determination, MOO.
https://gradschool.wsu.edu/documents/2015/02/residency-questionnaire-and-instructions.pdf/

"Copy of State of Washington vehicle registration, if you own or use a vehicle in the state of Washington. If you use (but do not own) a vehicle, it must be registered in the state of Washington. (Must have registered vehicle 12 months prior to beginning of semester)"
BBM

Yes, I thought of that. Do we know if the car was registered in BK's name? If so, he was really putting at risk his residency to be official at the start of the 2023-2024 academic year. But if the car wasn't registered to him, presumably he would use other evidence to establish his residency? But he should have applied for a WA state driver's license as soon as he got there in July.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Yes, I thought of that. Do we know if the car was registered in BK's name? If so, he was really putting at risk his residency to be official at the start of the 2023-2024 academic year. But if the car wasn't registered to him, presumably he would use other evidence to establish his residency? But he should have applied for a WA state driver's license as soon as he got there in July.

Body cam footage from Moscow murder suspect's traffic stop sheds light on vehicle's history

"From the body cam footage, the license plate number on the car can be easily seen. KREM 2 was able to use that license plate number to find the car's vehicle identification number (VIN) in an online database.

From that search, the vehicle's CarFax report was found.

According to the report, the white Hyundai Elantra seen in the body cam footage was purchased in Pennsylvania in 2019. The next year, it was registered in Pennsylvania.

The owner of the car re-registered and serviced the car several times between then and 2022.

According to the report, the owner of the car re-registered the car in Pullman to get Washington plates on Nov. 18, 2022. This is five days after the murders of the four University of Idaho students took place."

 

[NyxNY]

I'm not convinced that's a big deal. If they really found the door standing open, the unit was trying to warm the house and the great outdoors for several hours. We don't know how old the unit is. It might have gone on the blink after that strain and needed repair.

Case in point: my unit froze up last summer due to "green" settings that caused it to let the house get to 78 if no one passed the new thermostat for 2 hours. We won't talk about my dogs' opinions on that. LOL. First day, it got back to normal in a few hours. Second day was hotter. The unit is on the west side of the house, and the sun was beating down on it while it was trying to cool the house back down and it just couldn't do it. We called a repairman that day, thinking it was toast. Turns out all we needed to do was change the thermostat settings.

But I don't think that would have been the time to do any repairs. It was still an active crime scene, and I would think it wasn't a necessity.

 

[Cool Cats]

<snipped for focus>

In your earlier post you stated that completing the TA position was required in order to complete the PhD program. My post stated that this is not the case, he could complete the PhD program without completing the TA position.

In order to fund his education, it was now up to him, no tuition covered as he was no longer a TA in the second semester. BK could have taken out student loans, I guess, and applied for federal funding for the second year, as well as student loans.

If he was establishing a state residency in Washington in order to be eligible for the in-state tuition for the TA, he would also be eligible for the in-state tuition in his second year as a doctoral student in Washington - even without the TA position. And he would be paying in-state tuition in his second year as a resident of the state. So no difference in tuition rate for his second year, if he established residency as he was apparently doing by changing his license, etc.

Edited to add - BK would be eligible for in-state tuition even without the TA position in his second year as a doctoral student at WSU, as long as he established his residency in Washington state per the requirements.

No, his TA credit was required.

He needed a certain credit he would get from his TA position, and by not completing it, he would have had to start over and get it from a different way the WSU allows.

In my opinion there is too much hyper-focusing on the TA program.

My OP was about :

He is not a HOMICIDAL CRIMINAL MASTERMIND just because he was a TA in a CRIMINOLOGY PHD PROGRAM.

 

[Justice101]

He was apparently condescending to other students once he became a PhD TA...but that is not fact... just comments from those whom he taught which is close to fact.

I agree with you... saying that he thinks he is smarter than LE just adds more dislike for the guy which everyone tends to do when any villain is identified. It adds to the anger people have for an accused murderer.

What interests me is how much evidence the prosecution now has. is it an open and shut case by now and we just don't know it because the defense is digging thru the mountains of data/evidence they have been given and can't find a potential route to reasonable doubt.

 

[NCWatcher]

He was apparently condescending to other students once he became a PhD TA...but that is not fact... just comments from those whom he taught which is close to fact.

I agree with you... saying that he thinks he is smarter than LE just adds more dislike for the guy which everyone tends to do when any villain is identified. It adds to the anger people have for an accused murderer.

What interests me is how much evidence the prosecution now has. is it an open and shut case by now and we just don't know it because the defense is digging thru the mountains of data/evidence they have been given and can't find a potential route to reasonable doubt.

But we've actually heard from very few students given how many must have been enrolled in those undergraduate courses. So I'm not sure the opinions of those few can be taken as factually true statements about BK's behavior.
JMO

 

[ktm44]

I'm not convinced that's a big deal. If they really found the door standing open, the unit was trying to warm the house and the great outdoors for several hours. We don't know how old the unit is. It might have gone on the blink after that strain and needed repair.

Case in point: my unit froze up last summer due to "green" settings that caused it to let the house get to 78 if no one passed the new thermostat for 2 hours. We won't talk about my dogs' opinions on that. LOL. First day, it got back to normal in a few hours. Second day was hotter. The unit is on the west side of the house, and the sun was beating down on it while it was trying to cool the house back down and it just couldn't do it. We called a repairman that day, thinking it was toast. Turns out all we needed to do was change the thermostat settings.

If it was an older style furnace, there is a chance that the open door caused enough of a draft to extinuish the pilot light, which ignites the furnace. Depending on the age and model, relighting a pilot light can be fairly simple or quite challenging but LE did not own the home and legally, they would have been in a position to call a professional rather than attempt to light it on their own.

"If'' LE wanted to take the filters for evidence, they are super easy to locate but they would have needed to be replaced fairly promptly to avoid damaging the furnace so I also feel their visit wasn't for anything overly exciting.

 

[Balthazar]

IIRC, The clerk video still was on Highway 8 at 3:45AM.
Does anyone know which way the car was traveling on Highway 8 in that capture?
MOO

It was Mobil station at 802 Troy Rd. (Troy Rd is the same as Hwy 8). The attendant said the car was going away from the direction of King Rd and turned on a side street. Hwy 8 runs Northwest. Mobil station is on the Northeast side of Hwy8. Based on the photo of the car taken from the Mobil station, I think it was traveling Southeast on Hwy 8 but have a look on Googlemaps and see what you think. And also look at where 1122 King Rd is compared to this location. I must admit, I'm a bit puzzled.

Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house the night of the quadruple homicide.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[kittythehare]

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Law professor at Cal
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1667812153586339840

 

[Boxer]

But I don't think that would have been the time to do any repairs. It was still an active crime scene, and I would think it wasn't a necessity.

The house is updated. MOO The heating unit can go full bore for many many hours.

 

[Boxer]

It was Mobil station at 802 Troy Rd. (Troy Rd is the same as Hwy 8). The attendant said the car was going away from the direction of King Rd and turned on a side street. Hwy 8 runs Northwest. Mobil station is on the Northeast side of Hwy8. Based on the photo of the car taken from the Mobil station, I think it was traveling Southeast on Hwy 8 but have a look on Googlemaps and see what you think. And also look at where 1122 King Rd is compared to this location. I must admit, I'm a bit puzzled.

Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house the night of the quadruple homicide.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Was he headed for Indian Hills? Seemed he like that road.

 

[kittythehare]

Alleged BTK killer pleads not guilty (Published 2005)

www.nytimes.com

He stood silent. Article is paywalled. Mike Baker.
He stood silent, too.
Just sayin'

 

[Boxer]

Alleged BTK killer pleads not guilty (Published 2005)

www.nytimes.com

He stood silent. Article is paywalled. Mike Baker.
He stood silent, too.
Just sayin'

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Agree. Mind games.

 

[kittythehare]

Agree. Mind games.

I think so too.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

But I don't think that would have been the time to do any repairs. It was still an active crime scene, and I would think it wasn't a necessity.

I’m as curious as everyone about why an HVAC truck was there, but preventing frozen pipes might have made repair a necessity, MOO. Many leases/rental agreements here have specific tenant responsibility clauses about that.

I don’t recall the date the HVAC vehicle was at the crime scene (gratitude to anyone who can remind me), but our weather here was unusually cold, MOO, for that time of year. It was the first year in recent memory we were unable to put up our ground Holiday decorations the day after Thanksgiving because the ground was already too frozen.

As always, MOO.