4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[North_Idaho_Nony]

IIRC, The clerk video still was on Highway 8 at 3:45AM.
Does anyone know which way the car was traveling on Highway 8 in that capture?
MOO

TBF, we don’t know if the vehicle was captured on Troy Rd/Hwy 8 at all, MOO. This was discussed extensively in the thread back around 12/13/22.

She took a photo of surveillance video & that pic wasn’t high quality, MOO.

To me, it looked like the pic was of a vehicle traveling on White Ave. (which becomes Styner across the Troy Rd/Hwy 8) towards the stop sign at Troy Rd.

“She said she spent days poring over surveillance footage from the night of November 13 before she spotted a white sedan traveling westbound on White Avenue at around 3.45am the night of the murder before turning down a side street.”
BBM
Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

 

[maskedwoman]

Dbm, because I just repeated what NOrth Idaho Nony said.

 

[Chloegirl]

Absolutely. And I’ll go this far, watch what they find.

Would love to hear what you think that will be!

 

[Cool Cats]

Suspect in Idaho student killings wants more time to respond to prosecutor’s request for alibi

Bryan Kohberger – charged with stabbing four University of Idaho students to death last year – is asking a judge for more time to decide whether to offer a formal alibi in the case.

www.yahoo.com

Under Idaho law, a criminal defendant normally has 10 days to offer information on whether they plan to provide an alibi showing they were not at the scene when the alleged offense took place – but a judge can extend that deadline.

“The defense needs time to make this determination and consider evidentiary rules,” said Taylor.

So I'm in jail on 4 murder charges plus burglary.

I'm not waiting over 6 months to declare my alibi. Just saying.

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2 cents

 

[Nila Aella]

It was Mobil station at 802 Troy Rd. (Troy Rd is the same as Hwy 8). The attendant said the car was going away from the direction of King Rd and turned on a side street. Hwy 8 runs Northwest. Mobil station is on the Northeast side of Hwy8. Based on the photo of the car taken from the Mobil station, I think it was traveling Southeast on Hwy 8 but have a look on Googlemaps and see what you think. And also look at where 1122 King Rd is compared to this location. I must admit, I'm a bit puzzled.

Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house the night of the quadruple homicide.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thank you @Balthazar.
Your article also states they retrieved video from the 76 station on Main Street which I missed before.
After reading @North_Idaho_Nony s post below: I think Westbound on White and turned on a side street. The only side Streets I see near the station are White Place and Hanson Ave across the street, and that little road/alley from White to Troy that travels beside the station.
JMO

TBF, we don’t know if the vehicle was captured on Troy Rd/Hwy 8 at all, MOO. This was discussed extensively in the thread back around 12/13/22.

She took a photo of surveillance video & that pic wasn’t high quality, MOO.

To me, it looked like the pic was of a vehicle traveling on White Ave. (which becomes Styner across the Troy Rd/Hwy 8) towards the stop sign at Troy Rd.

“She said she spent days poring over surveillance footage from the night of November 13 before she spotted a white sedan traveling westbound on White Avenue at around 3.45am the night of the murder before turning down a side street.”
BBM
Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

Thank you @North_Idaho_Nony for refreshing my memory. I now recall that discussion where the camera was pointed at White Ave. The "turning down a side street" to me seems like the car did not go all the way to 95?
Still thinking on the car/travel/time of that capture. MOO

ETA all the way to 95 on White Ave, could have gone on that little side street by the station.

 

[schooling]

More time to come up with alibi?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/12/us/idaho-student-stabbings-kohberger-alibi-request/index.html

whatever he comes up with he’s likely sending his legal teams on a wild goose chase to look for evidence that likely doesn’t exist. They’ll have to coax him into either not presenting an alibi or taking a plea deal.

And yes, I understand that he’s presumed innocent. But for 14 years now on this site I’ve been sharing my opinion and I’m not going to stop now.

There are plenty of cases here for me to be impartial on because of wishy washy evidence. This is not one of them.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

Orin Kerr
Law professor at Cal
@BerkeleyLaw
. https://law.berkeley.edu/our-faculty/faculty-profiles/orin-kerr/


Thread

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667812153586339840

Big Thx @kittythehare as I am interested in this subject. How much information is out there now and the types of warrants needed to access it. Multiple names on the warrants, up to 19 in some cases. Another way that the huge amount of technological information is affecting the judicial system IMO. He mentions points on this subject in the Mike Baker article and below at your link.
MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Thank you @Balthazar.
Your article also states they retrieved video from the 76 station on Main Street which I missed before.
After reading @North_Idaho_Nony s post below: I think Westbound on White and turned on a side street. The only side Streets I see near the station are White Place and Hanson Ave across the street, and that little road/alley from White to Troy that travels beside the station.
JMO

Thank you @North_Idaho_Nony for refreshing my memory. I now recall that discussion where the camera was pointed at White Ave. The "turning down a side street" to me seems like the car did not go all the way to 95?
Still thinking on the car/travel/time of that capture. MOO

Her description was confusing to me. Neither White Place nor Hanson Ave. a the north side of White Ave go through — they are dead ends. The “side streets” on the south side aren’t streets per se — they are business parking lot entrances. Presumably there would be surveillance available from at least some of the businesses? I’m pretty sure the state liquor store has exterior cameras.

Speculation: there’s a lot more surveillance video than we know that could be helpful to the State, to the defense, to both, or to neither.

IIRC, the Mobile station footage isn’t referenced in the PCA (correction welcome) — we learned about it because the assistant night manager contacted media.

I’m looking forward to learning more about all pertinent video evidence, MOO.

 

[schooling]

Suspect in Idaho student killings wants more time to respond to prosecutor’s request for alibi

Bryan Kohberger – charged with stabbing four University of Idaho students to death last year – is asking a judge for more time to decide whether to offer a formal alibi in the case.

www.yahoo.com

Under Idaho law, a criminal defendant normally has 10 days to offer information on whether they plan to provide an alibi showing they were not at the scene when the alleged offense took place – but a judge can extend that deadline.

“The defense needs time to make this determination and consider evidentiary rules,” said Taylor.

So I'm in jail on 4 murder charges plus burglary.

I'm not waiting over 6 months to declare my alibi. Just saying.

<modsnip>

2 cents

If I was in jail for a quadruple murder, I’d likely want to know where the weakest evidence was in the State’s case before I told them why I couldn’t have committed it….

I also might tell my defense team that exculpatory evidence exists in areas where the prosecutors haven’t handed evidence from yet….

Just saying…MOO

 

[schooling]

Her description was confusing to me. Neither White Place nor Hanson Ave. a the north side of White Ave go through — they are dead ends. The “side streets” on the south side aren’t streets per se — they are business parking lot entrances. Presumably there would be surveillance available from at least some of the businesses? I’m pretty sure the state liquor store has exterior cameras.

Speculation: there’s a lot more surveillance video than we know that could be helpful to the State, to the defense, to both, or to neither.

IIRC, the Mobile station footage isn’t referenced in the PCA (correction welcome) — we learned about it because the assistant night manager contacted media.

I’m looking forward to learning more about all pertinent video evidence, MOO.

What do you make of this? She seems to shoehorn the gas station into her theory. Until I saw this, I dismissed it. But I have no understanding of the local landscape beyond Google Maps.

And for the record I think 99% of these theories are garbage. But they (creators of this video) mostly stick to what’s in the PCA and don’t make many leaps…logical or illogical.

 

[Nila Aella]

Her description was confusing to me. Neither White Place nor Hanson Ave. a the north side of White Ave go through — they are dead ends. The “side streets” on the south side aren’t streets per se — they are business parking lot entrances. Presumably there would be surveillance available from at least some of the businesses? I’m pretty sure the state liquor store has exterior cameras.

Speculation: there’s a lot more surveillance video than we know that could be helpful to the State, to the defense, to both, or to neither.

IIRC, the Mobile station footage isn’t referenced in the PCA (correction welcome) — we learned about it because the assistant night manager contacted media.

I’m looking forward to learning more about all pertinent video evidence, MOO.

Agreed
I thought someone might describe that little alley as a side street.
And this particular car could have been going to a home, ie: different car.
Also, I don't believe this capture nor the capture on Taylor made it into the PCA which is why I am thinking on it. The new Nissan information in the Mike Baker article made me recall these two captures.
Me too: re learning about all the footage!
MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

What do you make of this? She seems to shoehorn the gas station into her theory. Until I saw this, I dismissed it. But I have no understanding of the local landscape beyond Google Maps.

And for the record I think 99% of these theories are garbage. But they (creators of this video) mostly stick to what’s in the PCA and don’t make many leaps…logical or illogical.

It’s interesting speculation & has really good production value, MOO!

This might be a good one to remember when/if we have more factual info to compare?

 

[al66pine]

Subpoenas.

According to Idaho Criminal Rule 17, subpoenas must order all parties to appear and provide testimony at the time and location stated, and they may be issued by the judge or the court clerk....

snipped for focus. @AusLaw Thanks for including in your post a link to ID. Rule.

Is it possible, while posting you were momentarily distracted, and your fingers went rogue on you, typing "subpoenas must order all parties to appear" instead of "all PERSONS to appear."

That kind of thing happens to me more often than I'd care to admit.

 

[schooling]

It’s interesting speculation & has really good production value, MOO!

This might be a good one to remember when/if we have more factual info to compare?

Ya they did a great job. im mostly wondering if their theory (that’s inclusive of the gas station video) holds up.

They propose that BK drove by the gas station after a house drive by and while he was circling the area.

 

[Nila Aella]

• 06/09/2023 Stipulation To Temp Seal
• 06/09/2023 Temporary Order

 

[Sundog]

If I was in jail for a quadruple murder, I’d likely want to know where the weakest evidence was in the State’s case before I told them why I couldn’t have committed it….

I also might tell my defense team that exculpatory evidence exists in areas where the prosecutors haven’t handed evidence from yet….

Just saying…MOO

I think the Judge will provide an extension for the defense to give notice of an intended alibi defense, since the Judge has this judicial discretion if warranted, and AT appears to have provided a reasonable explanation for her request.

As long as the time frame provides the prosecution with enough time to interview rebuttal witnesses before the trial, that should suffice.

I think the Judge will provide the extension since this is potentially a death penalty case and they are being careful not to give grounds for appeal.

JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

What do you make of this? She seems to shoehorn the gas station into her theory. Until I saw this, I dismissed it. But I have no understanding of the local landscape beyond Google Maps.

And for the record I think 99% of these theories are garbage. But they (creators of this video) mostly stick to what’s in the PCA and don’t make many leaps…logical or illogical.

It's well one but what's the point?
All the lights cannot have been off because food had just been delivered and was presumably being eaten.
Was the alleged Elantra at the gas station actually confirmed to be his?

 

[Balthazar]

The lights were on at the house so BK allegedly drove all the way over to the area of the gas station and then came back? Why would he do that? The lights were on at 1122 King Rd, so why not park and wait on Walenta or somewhere else nearby? It just seems to me that the more you drive around in the area where you intend to commit a crime at 3-4am, the more likely you are to attract attention. Whereas, you could park and lay down in your car for a bit to wait for the lights to go out in the house and most people would think it was a vacant car.

Also, what camera caught him parking at 4:04am? We know about the camera at the house next door to 1122 King Rd, but that faced away from 1122 King Rd, That would be the one that caught him circling and making the 3 point turn. What camera caught him parking?

 

[I'm Nobody]

That's quite an accusation to aim at AT. If that were true and she were colluding with BK to create a fake alibi, I'm pretty sure she'd be engaging in unprofessional conduct for an attorney (at the very least.)
JMO

Agree with most of this. AFAIK no posters accused AT of creating a fake alibi. Manipulate the alibi maybe. As much as I believe BK is the right guy for this. I'm doubtful BK admitted guilt even to his lawyer. AT is doing her job in trying to find evidence to support whatever BK is telling her. I'm more inclined to believe BK gave her a fake alibi which is why she needs more time to find something to support it or re-phrase the alibi bc of time or inconsistent evidence with what BK falsely reported to her. I think it says AT is professional in spite of any personal feelings she may have about BK's guilt or innocence. If she can't do that she shouldn’t be a defense attorney.

JMO

 

[Idaho transplant]

Agree with most of this. AFAIK no posters accused AT of creating a fake alibi. Manipulate the alibi maybe. As much as I believe BK is the right guy for this. I'm doubtful BK admitted guilt even to his lawyer. AT is doing her job in trying to find evidence to support whatever BK is telling her. I'm more inclined to believe BK gave her a fake alibi which is why she needs more time to find something to support it or re-phrase the alibi bc of time or inconsistent evidence with what BK falsely reported to her. I think it says AT is professional in spite of any personal feelings she may have about BK's guilt or innocence. If she can't do that she shouldn’t be a defense attorney.

JMO

If you were in AT shoes, would you want to know if he is guilty?