4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #83

[SLouTh]

The PCA says Westbound on Styner Avenue at 95. 3:28
First Pass at King Road 3:29.

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It does say "at approximately 3:28" so maybe there is some wiggle room?

MOO

I think you are correct though, about it being impossible in a one / two minute time frame …. (From the Mobil Servo area) ….
IMO

 

[SLouTh]

I did this on my own: checking the times against the distances, but I did not create a map. I do recall another poster did this for some sections of the route. I'll try to find it.
MOO

Thanks … that would be great!

 

[jepop]

I have the same thoughts.
IMO the car was only captured going to and fleeing the area.

He finds the lights on and drives away. Or drives away for some other reason.
Finding lights and thinking everyone is up and only waiting 30 minutes? When he comes back there is no way to know when the lights went off. MOO

Always wondered where the car went for a half hour before returning at 4:04. IMO LE should have captured something during that time.

And about the exit from the neighborhood at 4:20 mentioned in the PCA....based on where we don't see it, we think it went this way. Why don't they see the exit route? Initially they thought it went back to Pullman by Palouse.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

Something that might be related to this particular video capture is @TL4S post regarding the request by LE for Troy and Kendrick video. Perhaps they wanted to see if that particular car went from White Ave to 8 to Troy or Kendrick. Or even if the car came from there? Or maybe LE captured a car (76 station on 8) that was headed toward Troy/Kendrick? Maybe even a capture from the new Police Station on 95? MOO

@TL4S post re: Troy and Kendrick

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/videos/subnow1.gif

Just strange to me: This is 5 minutes away and the car is reportedly going West.

Something else that bothers me more: how does a car get from West bound on Styner at 95 to King Road in 1 minute.

IMO there are two different cars.
Maybe three (car on taylor 2:45-3:15)

MOO

Re the last point, the times are approximate, so I'm taking it as read, that is - it's the the same vehicle that arrives at Queen Street approx 1 minute later. I believe SV1 was at intersection of Styner and main road when caught on camera. I think the driver of SV1 had a lead foot. It may have taken 2 minutes instead of 1 minute etc. Moo

RBBM: I don't think the PCA says the elantra disappeared for half an hour from Queen St after 3.29am only to return at 4.04am. I think it's a simple matter of summarising the many captures of the vehicle into the most pertinent ones to illustrate the behaviour of the defendant and the timeline. I think it says the elantra did another two passes after the initial 3.29am pass. It did three passes before entering Queen for a last pass at 4.04am (4 passes total). On the last occasion SV1 passes 1122, turns in front of 500 Queen, travels west again, tries to park/turn in front of 1122, gives that up, does a u-turn at intersection of King and Queen, and drives east up Queen. Next time elantra is mentioned it is leaving the scene at speed. Moo

PCA, pp5-6. (emphasis mine).

"...approximately 3:26a.m and westbound on Styner Avenue at Idaho State Highway 95 in Moscow at approximately 3:28 a.m. On this video, it appeared Suspect Vehicle 1 was not displaying a
front license plate. A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood
strowed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m.These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road
residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. [snipped quote for focus]...Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time a approximately 4:04 a.m..."

(Had difficulty with cut and paste at this point but the next para details behaviour of SV1, as I summarised above, after entering for the last time at approx 4.04am).

Re SV1's exit, I think LE infer it left the area via Palouse because there was no video capture of it leaving from any other exit route at the relevant times. Imo it was not captured by camera travelling south between Walenta and Palouse via Conestoga. Although PCA notes that Palouse turns into Sand which connects with Johnston and that leads directly back to Pullman,we know that PCA infers the elantra next turns up near Blaine heading south (based on BK phone Pings). I think the suggestion is simply to suggest BK knew the backroutes out of immediate neighbourhood.Moo ( pp-6-7 PCA).

I agree, I don't think any video collected from Troy and Kendrick ended up having anything to do with the night of the crime. At least it may only be relevant for purposes of elimination. I think LE were doing their due diligence. I thinks it's possible the 3.45am capture is SV1, but I'd lean towards that being a different vehicle and not relevant to the crime. Ofcourse, LE will have addressed this footage Imo.

EBM: Spelling/typos - typing too fast.

 

[ilovewings]

I think the problem is the optics of the explanation set forth by the defense team---saying they cannot tell the court about BK's whereabouts during the crime, until they go through the entire discovery.

He either knows where he was at that time or he doesn't.

Exactly: that is an absolutely absurd statement- it is ridiculous-- if he has an alibi doesn't anybody believe he would have shouted it from the tree tops- " I couldn't have done this - I was ____________". but nope, his attorney has the gall to actually state they can't tell the court about BKs whereabouts during the crime until they go thru the entire discovery!!!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Has anyone mapped the times and places on a map in a previous thread??? And does any one have a copy of that please ? As it may make it easier to understand??

I am pretty dreadful at mapping …. Or I would offer …

TIA

IIRC, there was a map of times and places someone put together at the beginning of the thread, January timeframe, maybe? I can't find it, but I'm not adept at searching threads.

This may not be on the right scale / level of detail to be super helpful, but it was published in the Daily Mail on February 25, 2023 and has some times and routes info:

Retracing Bryan Kohberger's alleged route on night of Idaho murders

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

Exactly: that is an absolutely absurd statement- it is ridiculous-- if he has an alibi doesn't anybody believe he would have shouted it from the tree tops- " I couldn't have done this - I was ____________". but nope, his attorney has the gall to actually state they can't tell the court about BKs whereabouts during the crime until they go thru the entire discovery!!!

Hypothetical only ……

What if he was in the general area at that time of the night / morning, but gives one aspect of his “alibi” at the incorrect time… wouldn't the prosecution try and discredit the entire alibi much more easily??? IYKWIM??

I understand the prosecution will attempt to destroy his alibi anyway….

Also Hypotheticals…

Could the prosecution be trying to ascertain he definitely acted in a “solo capacity”???

Is there a possibility he is safer in jail, than revealing his alibi???


Does anyone know if AT has used this or a similar strategy in a past case???


At the end of the day, I do agree, I don’t know why the alibi hasn’t been revealed as yet …..if there is one to reveal???
IMO

 

[Nila Aella]

Re the last point, the times are approximate, so I'm taking it as read, that is - it's the the same vehicle that arrives at Queen Street approx 1 minute later. I believe SV1 was at intersection of Styner and main road when caught on camera. I think the driver of SV1 had a lead foot. It may have taken 2 minutes instead of 1 minute etc. Moo

RBBM: I don't think the PCA says the elantra disappeared for half an hour from Queen St after 3.29am only to return at 4.04am. I think it's a simple matter of summarising the many captures of the vehicle into the most pertinent ones to illustrate the behaviour of the defendant and the timeline. I think it says the elantra did another two passes after the initial 3.29am pass. It did three passes before entering Queen for a last pass at 4.04am (4 passes total). On the last occasion SV1 passes 1122, turns in front of 500 Queen, travels west again, tries to park/turn in front of 1122, gives that up, does a u-turn at intersection of King and Queen, and drives east up Queen. Next time elantra is mentioned it is leaving the scene at speed. Moo

PCA, pp5-6. (emphasis mine).

"...approximately 3:26a.m and westbound on Styner Avenue at Idaho State Highway 95 in Moscow at approximately 3:28 a.m. On this video, it appeared Suspect Vehicle 1 was not displaying a
front license plate. A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood
strowed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m.These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road
residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. [snipped quote for focus]...Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time a approximately 4:04 a.m..."

(Had difficulty with cut and paste at this point but the next para details behaviour of SV1, as I summarised above, after entering for the last time at approx 4.04am).

Re SV1's exit, I think LE infer it left the area via Palouse because there was no video capture of it leaving from any other exit route at the relevant times. Imo it was not captured by camera travelling south between Walenta and Palouse via Conestoga. Although PCA notes that Palouse turns into Sand which connects with Johnston and that leads directly back to Pullman,we know that PCA infers the elantra next turns up near Blaine heading south (based on BK phone Pings). I think the suggestion is simply to suggest BK knew the backroutes out of immediate neighbourhood.Moo ( pp-6-7 PCA).

I agree, I don't think any video collected from Troy and Kendrick ended up having anything to do with the night of the crime. At least it may only be relevant for purposes of elimination. I think LE were doing their due diligence. I thinks it's possible the 3.45am capture is SV1, but I'd lean towards that being a different vehicle and not relevant to the crime. Ofcourse, LE will have addressed this footage Imo.

EBM: Spelling/typos - typing too fast.

Excellent!
The PCA does say that the car left via wallenta after the first three passes, then makes the fourth pass: Wallenta travels south then east or west. So, the car had to go around to come back to King Road Or turned around somewhere on Wallenta and came back at 4:04. JMO

 

[SLouTh]

Excellent!
The PCA does say that the car left via wallenta after the first three passes, then makes the fourth pass: Wallenta travels south then east or west. So, the car had to go around to come back to King Road Or turned around somewhere on Wallenta and came back at 4:04. JMO

It is almost like he was “plucking up the courage”, with the 3 previous passes…. But we can’t know what he was thinking at the time…

Do you think the Police might have him “on video”, exiting, and re entering the car???

The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforrm€nt, reviews of forensic downloads ofrecords ftom B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

Edit to add: I don’t know why they didn’t say from 04:04am - 04:20am

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thanks as always, @Nila Aella, for posting links to new court documents.

I noticed in the "Stipulation To Temporarily Seal The Stipulation To Remove Evidentiary Items For Forensic Evaluation And Order Allowing Removal of Evidentiary Items for Forensic Evaluation Pending Hearing" (<<<< That's a mouthful, IMO, and note it was in "ALL CAPS" in the document title):

There are 4 new words added after the "right to a fair trial" line previously included as a reason to seal in previous court documents.

The reasons given in this stipulation are (BBM):

"... release or disclosure would:

1. Interfere with enforcement proceedings;
2. Deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication;
2. Constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy,
3. Disclose the identity of a confidential source; and/or
4. Disclose investigative techniques and procedures."

Note there are 2 "2."s (numbered reasons). Looking at the use of semi-colon vs. comma at the end of each numbered reason, it looks to me like they maybe go together, the 2 "2."s, and it's not a typo.

Although guessing the 4 new words / bolded part in the first "2." likely has been added for legal reasons in this context, it's interesting / caught my eye.

I could be wrong (ICBW), however, I interpret the addition as intended to be able to apply that reason (depriving a person of...) to a broader set of circumstances, e.g., not just a fair trial but an impartial adjudication.

Which could mean there might be evidentiary material that an adjudicating party will not be seeing (temporarily) in order to protect BK's right to an impartial adjudication?

Also "1." is new, IIRC. Could "1." also have been added because it might apply in a different context here -- re evidence? a "Stipulation" vs. a "Motion"?

MOO

Adjudication specifically refers to the process and decision issued by a government-appointed (or elected) judge, as opposed to a decision issued by an arbitrator in a private proceeding or arbitration.

I think the Defense is trying to get the validity/decision of the GJ tossed, that's another reason why he BK 'stood silent' during his plea.

Interestingly, BTK Dennis Radar also 'stood silent' during his plea hearing, yet he went on to confess to being one of the most disturbing serial killers in America.

MOO

 

[SLouTh]

I think the Defense is trying to get the validity/decision of the GJ tossed, that's another reason why he BK 'stood silent' during his plea.

Thankyou … most interesting …

Is it possible that the defence can appeal that decision???

 

[Nila Aella]

It is almost like he was “plucking up the courage”, with the 3 previous passes…. But we can’t know what he was thinking at the time…

Do you think the Police might have him “on video”, exiting, and re entering the car???

The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforrm€nt, reviews of forensic downloads ofrecords ftom B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

Edit to add: I don’t know why they didn’t say from 04:04am - 04:20am

No, I think that is a typo. I think it is supposed to say suspect vehicle, because it says "as described below."

Additionally, if they indeed had a video of the car driver: LE would not have been asking publicly for occupant/occupants of the elantra to come forward IMO. I do not think they knew how many people were in the car.

IMO the times are approximate to give a little room each way.

MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Hypothetical only ……

What if he was in the general area at that time of the night / morning, but gives one aspect of his “alibi” at the incorrect time… wouldn't the prosecution try and discredit the entire alibi much more easily??? IYKWIM??

I understand the prosecution will attempt to destroy his alibi anyway….

Also Hypotheticals…

Could the prosecution be trying to ascertain he definitely acted in a “solo capacity”???

Is there a possibility he is safer in jail, than revealing his alibi???


Does anyone know if AT has used this or a similar strategy in a past case???


At the end of the day, I do agree, I don’t know why the alibi hasn’t been revealed as yet …..if there is one to reveal???
IMO

Good points on some of the hypotheticals, @SLouTh.

Regarding the ""alibi" at the incorrect time" hypothetical:

I've often wondered what would happen if the timing(s) of the murders were determined to "be off by an hour" that night, for example, and what that would mean in the context of the murderer's whereabouts, where they may have been captured on cameras, their alibi, etc.

An "aha ! moment", if you will, on how crucial the proof of timing of different things could be, and whether LE has evidence and BK has an alibi, that would come together and shake hands, all at the right times within that window that night.

IMO, that window begins when Kaylee's & Maddie's cellphones are used to make the calls to Jack that go unanswered because he was asleep -- last 'proof of life' if you will, although it's not been proven that it was them using their phones to make those calls, AFAIK.

IMO, that window ends when the white car seen on video camera(s) driving near and turning around by 1122 King Rd is seen driving away from 1122 King Rd.

I say this regardless of routes that could have been taken by a white car that was seen driving up to (ETA) their house, and in and out of the victims' neighborhood. I don't personally have anything to add to speculation on that discussion.

Although I find it somewhat of interest to look for proof of routes taken and what kind of white car went which way that night and what they might have been doing and how quickly or slowly, personally I'm mentally "backing out" to reframe the big picture timeframe window, during which anything could have happened.

I'm sure LE and the prosecution have lots of evidence to help narrow things down "to the hour", but not "to the minute", IMO, so a minute here or there doesn't matter that much to me.

All MOO.

 

[TL4S]

We don't know if that footage is SVI or not, but I feel like it would have been assessed by LE, so they probably know.The Styner and Indian Hills sightings I'm taking as SV1, so in other words the same vehicle captured multiple times etc etc per PCA. I feel like I've posted at length re various theories about why he may have been approaching 1122 from Indian Hills and Styner. It could be anything, can't get in his head, it doesn't worry me as I can think of any reasonable explanations - such as prepping prior to crime at some spot he knew east of Moscow. He may also have approached Indian Hills from the Johnson Road/Sand Road route, which is the eventually the way he came back later that morning after 4.50am. Moo

IF that vehicle under discussion is part of the picture, then I guess why not? Can't get in his head, but driving around waiting and frustrated, losing track slightly of where he is. Idk, just passing time, getting more reckless? Getting lost in backstreet and ended up there by mistake? We don't know the timing of his passes between 3.29 and 4.04am. Enters Queen for the first time at 3.29am, and last time at 4.04am. I haven't looked closely at the map but seems like there isn't a problem time wise for him to have gone past there at 3.45am? . Others have done that I think. Is there a problem with him being there in some way from a logistical POV? Whether or not the footage is connected, I can easily imagine it might be as long as long as logistics aren't logic defying. Moo

ETA: I might be wrong but seems to me you're kind of asking why would he do these things (approach from Indian Hills and not go directly to 1122 from Pullman, pass by that area at 3.45am in between passes-if that vehicle is his- and so forth)? Moo, it's only frustrating if trying to apply non- criminal logic, or logic that a person in a 'normal' state of mind or if you like 'sound' state of mind might use. I don't imagine the defendant was of a sound state of mind that night. The why isn't so important to me atm. Can't get in defendant's head, can't know the pressures he may have felt, frustration if what he expected at 1122 (ie all lights out?) at 3.30 was NOT. He may well have lost his cool and begun erratic driving, and that is one of my favourite theories which makes sense to me at least and one that I circle back to as others fall by the wayside. Clearly I have to believe in the existence of SV1 and PCA to entertain such theories in the first place, that is the point I jump off from. Moo

Logistically, yes, I believe all the sightings were possible, including the White Ave capture, if that was indeed SV1. And I agree, we can't get inside his head to figure this out. Him driving erratically due to a psychological factor likely is the best explanation for what we're seeing that night, but I'm not ruling out drug use by any means. I haven't been able to follow the entire thread, so I'm positive him using that night has been discussed extensively. I won't go any further with it, except to say that the hours he keeps, his driving all the hell over Dodge that night, making three-point turns and parking attempts, and the capacity to stab four grown people to death is not inconsistent with someone high as f. JMO.

His behavior also doesn't seem inconsistent with stalking, which I speculate was going on for some time. Maybe he was a night owl, and didn't need sleep, but if he were using drugs, the late nights and stalking could have been escalated by that, imo. I'm not trying to diagnose, I just speak from experience (not a drug user myself, but know one). Some users become real a-holes to deal with, too, which might explain the TA troubles. IME.

I know this goes against my prevailing theory of him setting himself up with an alibi, and his education coming into play, but I don't think the two need to be mutually exclusive. As @Sjöberg pointed out, his driving around added opportunities to get caught on camera, so even if he was aware of these risks during planning, drug use/psychotic breakdown/whatever could override logic. Who knows. Or maybe there was no forethought at all. I'm not married to any one idea...too much we don't know.

 

[TL4S]

I think you are correct though, about it being impossible in a one / two minute time frame …. (From the Mobil Servo area) ….
IMO

So, the Mobile station video, if it's even SV1, was only brought to the public's attention by the gas station employee. That station was on White Ave and Hwy 8, near Safeway (which pops up on google maps). It's a 6 min drive to King Rd. The capture was supposedly around 3:45, so it would have been between his first three passes, imo. However, the 76 Station, which was mentioned in the recent MSM article, is on Styner and 95, which is where the elantra was seen on camera at 3:28. There are two different stations, and the 76 station is a lot closer to King Rd.

 

[maskedwoman]

If you were in AT shoes, would you want to know if he is guilty?

Yes, because if he was guilty I could not represent him. I know and support that everyone must be defended. I just couldn't do it myself. I couldn't live with it if I got someone off and they killed more people. I don't understand how judges live with it when they give someone bail when they didn't have to, and then they kill someone else before the trial even comes up. I've never heard any judge speak on that, but surely they must realize they are the reason that person was able to kill again, right? MOOooo

 

[SLouTh]

Good points on some of the hypotheticals, @SLouTh.

Regarding the ""alibi" at the incorrect time" hypothetical:

I've often wondered what would happen if the timing(s) of the murders were determined to "be off by an hour" that night, for example, and what that would mean in the context of the murderer's whereabouts, where they may have been captured on cameras, their alibi, etc.

An "aha ! moment", if you will, on how crucial the proof of timing of different things could be, and whether LE has evidence and BK has an alibi, that would come together and shake hands, all at the right times within that window that night.

IMO, that window begins when Kaylee's & Maddie's cellphones are used to make the calls to Jack that go unanswered because he was asleep -- last 'proof of life' if you will, although it's not been proven that it was them using their phones to make those calls, AFAIK.

IMO, that window ends when the white car seen on video camera(s) driving near and turning around by 1122 King Rd is seen driving away from 1122 King Rd.

I say this regardless of routes that could have been taken by a white car that was seen driving up to ETA: their house) and in and out of the victims' neighborhood. I don't personally have anything to add to speculation on that discussion.

Although I find it somewhat of interest to look for proof of routes taken and what kind of white car went which way that night and what they might have been doing and how quickly or slowly, personally I'm mentally "backing out" to reframe the big picture timeframe window, during which anything could have happened.

I'm sure LE and the prosecution have lots of evidence to help narrow things down "to the hour", but not "to the minute", IMO, so a minute here or there doesn't matter that much to me.

All MOO.

@Twistinginthewind Great Point about last “proof of life“ for K and M …

I have also wondered about the missing hour of 3am - 4am ….especially if BK left Pullman at approx 02:47am

It will be interesting to see what footage they do have on his car from 03:00am, (at the trial), especially when the PCA makes mention they don’t have his phone connecting to King Road during those hours of 03:00am - 05:00am …

 

[TL4S]

Re the last point, the times are approximate, so I'm taking it as read, that is - it's the the same vehicle that arrives at Queen Street approx 1 minute later. I believe SV1 was at intersection of Styner and main road when caught on camera. I think the driver of SV1 had a lead foot. It may have taken 2 minutes instead of 1 minute etc. Moo

RBBM: I don't think the PCA says the elantra disappeared for half an hour from Queen St after 3.29am only to return at 4.04am. I think it's a simple matter of summarising the many captures of the vehicle into the most pertinent ones to illustrate the behaviour of the defendant and the timeline. I think it says the elantra did another two passes after the initial 3.29am pass. It did three passes before entering Queen for a last pass at 4.04am (4 passes total). On the last occasion SV1 passes 1122, turns in front of 500 Queen, travels west again, tries to park/turn in front of 1122, gives that up, does a u-turn at intersection of King and Queen, and drives east up Queen. Next time elantra is mentioned it is leaving the scene at speed. Moo

PCA, pp5-6. (emphasis mine).

"...approximately 3:26a.m and westbound on Styner Avenue at Idaho State Highway 95 in Moscow at approximately 3:28 a.m. On this video, it appeared Suspect Vehicle 1 was not displaying a
front license plate. A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood
strowed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m.These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road
residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. [snipped quote for focus]...Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time a approximately 4:04 a.m..."

(Had difficulty with cut and paste at this point but the next para details behaviour of SV1, as I summarised above, after entering for the last time at approx 4.04am).

Re SV1's exit, I think LE infer it left the area via Palouse because there was no video capture of it leaving from any other exit route at the relevant times. Imo it was not captured by camera travelling south between Walenta and Palouse via Conestoga. Although PCA notes that Palouse turns into Sand which connects with Johnston and that leads directly back to Pullman,we know that PCA infers the elantra next turns up near Blaine heading south (based on BK phone Pings). I think the suggestion is simply to suggest BK knew the backroutes out of immediate neighbourhood.Moo ( pp-6-7 PCA).

I agree, I don't think any video collected from Troy and Kendrick ended up having anything to do with the night of the crime. At least it may only be relevant for purposes of elimination. I think LE were doing their due diligence. I thinks it's possible the 3.45am capture is SV1, but I'd lean towards that being a different vehicle and not relevant to the crime. Ofcourse, LE will have addressed this footage Imo.

EBM: Spelling/typos - typing too fast.

I think you've convinced me that Kendrick footage request was part of a large canvassing to look for/eliminate the elantra. I'd be more sure of that if we found out they had requested footage from other main routes into town, but we just haven't heard one way or another. It makes sense, though.

I still think the elantra was last seen leaving Pullman on Stadium drive, which links to 270, which turns into Hwy 8. If he jumped onto Sand Rd from there, he would have passed multiple places with cameras. This wasn't mentioned in the PCA in regards to his departing Pullman. What was mentioned was that 270 connects Pullman to Moscow, so I'm kind of leaning towards LE knowing or thinking he took 270 in. Then, when he arrived back in Pullman at 5:25 am, it is mentioned that he was captured on 5 cameras (some on Johnson road, which links to Sand Rd). Jmo.

 

[ilovewings]

Hypothetical only ……

What if he was in the general area at that time of the night / morning, but gives one aspect of his “alibi” at the incorrect time… wouldn't the prosecution try and discredit the entire alibi much more easily??? IYKWIM??

I understand the prosecution will attempt to destroy his alibi anyway….

Also Hypotheticals…

Could the prosecution be trying to ascertain he definitely acted in a “solo capacity”???

Is there a possibility he is safer in jail, than revealing his alibi???


Does anyone know if AT has used this or a similar strategy in a past case???


At the end of the day, I do agree, I don’t know why the alibi hasn’t been revealed as yet …..if there is one to reveal???
IMO

His not revealing a legitimate alibi (if he has one), and not revealing it, and waiting until the defense reviews all of the discovery, is highly suspicious to me. If I was accused of a crime and I knew I had a solid alibi, it would be the first thing I would tell the detective-- wouldn't you?

 

[maskedwoman]

I did a bit of research on an earlier thread. Not entitely sure if this is what AT meant when addressing Court 9th of June, but suspect it is. If you're interested here's the link. Moo

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #81

Like many of you I was also paying close attention to BK's reactions to the names read. But my interpretation is different from what has been suggested above. I think, when Kaylee's name was mispronounced, he was clenching his jaw in annoyance (like many of us were!). When the judge then ALSO...

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Thank you @jepop. I appreciate your assist. I found similar descriptions as well, but they just didn't answer my core question of what the benefit truly is. I mean, surely, if there were any "irregular proceedings" AT could and would attack them as long as he didn't please guilty. It just doesn't make sense to me. If it gives such a big advantage, why doesn't everyone do it? Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if "standing silent" becomes the trendy thing to do now.

 

[SLouTh]

His not revealing a legitimate alibi (if he has one), and not revealing it, and waiting until the defense reviews all of the discovery, is highly suspicious to me. If I was accused of a crime and I knew I had a solid alibi, it would be the first thing I would tell the detective-- wouldn't you?

In a simple world … yes of course!

However, when the “law” is involved, the world is not so simple anymore …


We also don’t know who is calling the shots on this?? BK or AT??

Is it BK himself, that appears to to be “stalling”, OR is it actually a part of his “Defence Strategy“ to withhold the information for now? Is AT orchestrating this strategy for some reason, (reasons unbeknown to us) and actually calling the shots on this issue ???

JMO