A slip-up in the ransom note?

[Ames]

I think JR dictated part of the note to PR,and they both put in a few things that could throw suspicion on more than one person.

I agree...I have always thought that John dictated the note to Patsy...and she was the author. I also think that a sharpie pen was used (and possibly her left hand)...to disquise the writing.

 

[Ames]

Haypaula makes several good points about Karr and I'd like to add a couple.

(1) His handwriting from a 20 yr old h.s. yearbook,
(2) SBTC could mean something like "Shall Be The Conqueror".
(3) May have had pics, video, or something, felt he was there.
(4) Someone suicided Helgoth who may have been "the" killer, or one of...
(5) The "shabby" Santa bear found in JBR's room after the murder was not the one given to her at a pageant. The pageant one was white. The shabby one resembled a pic of Karr's own childhood Santabear. So he really may have been one of those present when she was killed.

I think all 5 of these points warrant consideration and remembering, although the DNA didn't match. That simply means he had to be with someone else.

Oh yeah....and don't forget that he "picked her up from school and took her home", nevermind that JB was on Christmas break, when this supposedly happened. (JMK was not there, and he had no part in her killing. He is a JBR killer wannabe..nothing more, nothing less....except maybe... pond scum).

 

[cynpat2000]

Oh yeah....and don't forget that he "picked her up from school and took her home", nevermind that JB was on Christmas break, when this supposedly happened. (JMK was not there, and he had no part in her killing. He is a JBR killer wannabe..nothing more, nothing less....except maybe... pond scum).

Exactly, not to mention the fact he was hundreds of miles away. With an alibi. John Mark Karr had nothing to do with Jonbenets death, only in his sick perverted dreams.

I truly dont understand how people still feel he was involved.:waitasec:

 

[LionRun]

How many sleuthers on this forum think the ransom note was written intentionally with the hand that was NOT dominant?


Has this idea been posed by any handwriting experts? If so, does anyone know who or have a link? Again, thanks much fellow sleuthers.

 

[Ames]

How many sleuthers on this forum think the ransom note was written intentionally with the hand that was NOT dominant?


Has this idea been posed by any handwriting experts? If so, does anyone know who or have a link? Again, thanks much fellow sleuthers.

It is my understanding that Patsy was asked to give a handwriting sample using her left hand as well as her right. I don't know if the others were asked to do so, though. (I figured that Patsy was asked because her handwriting strongly resembles the author of the ransom letter (Hmmmmm...I just wonder why that is???) I do not have a link...sorry. I will try and find it though.

 

[Ames]

Exactly, not to mention the fact he was hundreds of miles away. With an alibi. John Mark Karr had nothing to do with Jonbenets death, only in his sick perverted dreams.

I truly dont understand how people still feel he was involved.:waitasec:

Yeah, you got me on THAT one!! I do not understand it either.....
JMK is just one sicko pervert....I really think that he needs to be strung up by his "you know whats"....on second thought...he would probably LOVE that. SICK, SICK, SICK.

 

[cynpat2000]

How many sleuthers on this forum think the ransom note was written intentionally with the hand that was NOT dominant?


Has this idea been posed by any handwriting experts? If so, does anyone know who or have a link? Again, thanks much fellow sleuthers.

Heres a link to some samples of patsys handwriting.

http://blabbieville.tripod.com/index.htm

 

[BBB167893]

Has this idea been posed by any handwriting experts? If so, does anyone know who or have a link? Again, thanks much fellow sleuthers.

Yes on both counts:

http://jfjbr.tripod.com/truth/court.html

 

[LionRun]

Thank you cynpat and SuperDave for the links.

 

[BBB167893]

Always a pleasure.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

written with the alternative hand.Nothing new there. People tend to think they are the only ones who have come up with these thoughts or that they've never happened in other cases...Handwriting isn't just the way you write words but the words you use...the manner and ways you use them.It's impossible to hide that.:twocents:

 

[BBB167893]

AngryWolf, I couldn't agree with you more! The FBI did in fact examine those elements. Their conclusion: a middle-aged southern woman with an education. Sound familiar?

 

[JMO8778]

How many sleuthers on this forum think the ransom note was written intentionally with the hand that was NOT dominant?


Has this idea been posed by any handwriting experts? If so, does anyone know who or have a link? Again, thanks much fellow sleuthers.

I don't know for sure,but I recall from the Jeffery McDonald case that they could tell he put on a glove and wrote the word 'pig' with his left hand in blood on the headboard,and that was in the 70's,(maybe 80's? I don't recall when he was convicted) so I tend to believe they can tell for sure if it was written with the dominant hand or not.(I believe it was said JM was right-handed).

 

[J P]

i believe John Mark Karr is connected, to some degree, with JonBenet's murder. His handwriting, albeit 20 years ago, is very similar to that of the person who penned the ransom note. I also cannot dismiss the coincidence re the signing of the note with the letters SBTC, and the fact that JMK signed a schoolmate's yearbook claiming "I Shall Be The Conqueror". Even if JMK wasn't physically present to witness JonBenet's murder, the murderer/s might have videotaped it, and JMK somehow got a copy of it - Hence his statement "I was with JonBenet when she died".

I've also come to believe that Michael Helgoth was involved in JonBenet's murder and was murdered himself, by his accomplice, to ensure Helgoth would never talk about it.

I don't believe the Ramsey's had anything to do with JonBenet's murder. Thomas' ridiculous claim that Patsy killed her daughter because she wet the bed defies logic, and the evidence and COD do not support his theory.

IMO

 

[J P]

I totally agree and can’t believe the yearbook is overlooked. JMK seemed to be honest about everything he was saying. Being a teacher, him writing a long note would have come easy to him and he was enjoying it. I think he was enjoying every second in that house and ANY anxiety he had was just fueling his sick act. He was a stalker, voyeur, and killer.
The yearbook is a huge piece of evidence and he must have signed other yearbooks during school. There must be other handwriting samples because he’s a teacher. Why aren’t they pursuing him?

 

[bloodhound2058]

I also find it very interesting that the writer knew that the Ramsey home had brown paper bags. This seems like something that Patsy would know because she may have packed the children's lunch in brown paper bags?

 

[mrspeele]

No intruder. Something happened in their group dynamic with the 4 people in the home. What does common sense tell you? Judge Judy always says..if something doesn't make sense it's not true. there was a terrible accident or a temper flare up, while having pineapple...the heavy flashlight on the kitchen counter, the practice ransom letters, pad right there on counter. a cover up was done to protect whomever did the skull cracking. the mass chaos in the home with all those extra people to contaminate the scene. jon ramsey disappearing to reset the scene..and to incrimnate close friends who were loyal..!! no way..no way. whatever happened. two are gone two remain. they had to cover up for the one! no choice. everything else.smoke and mirrors. the one who did it has serious anger issues.

 

[Tadpole12]

Fort Smith author publishes crime novel | 5newsonline.com
November 30, 2020
Book title "Ransom Note"

Author publishes crime novel made specifically for left-handers
December 1st 2020

"Her killer supposedly left a coded note to her dad
and 24 years later, in June of 2020, Goodwin gives his take
on three words he says were written backward,
inspiring the idea for a left-handed book."

 

[887sMtreme]

Fort Smith author publishes crime novel | 5newsonline.com
November 30, 2020
Book title "Ransom Note"

Author publishes crime novel made specifically for left-handers
December 1st 2020

"Her killer supposedly left a coded note to her dad
and 24 years later, in June of 2020, Goodwin gives his take
on three words he says were written backward,
inspiring the idea for a left-handed book."

Does anyone want to go so far as to acquire this book to see what three words in the Ramsey RN are supposedly written backward? Life’s too short (or I’m too lazy!) to revisit the note itself online in order to hazard a guess.

 

[UKGuy]

Does anyone want to go so far as to acquire this book to see what three words in the Ramsey RN are supposedly written backward? Life’s too short (or I’m too lazy!) to revisit the note itself online in order to hazard a guess.

887sMtreme,
It has to be a Kindle Book, not much of a USP: three words reversed. I'll wait till it arrives in the library or local flea market.

The catch for the unwary and naive is that the recipient has to know to look for the specific three words reversed, otherwise it's alike another theory where its PDI and John has to play ball with everything Patsy does, even down to trotting out explanations for the state of the basement, etc.

All of which he can only do via telepathic communication with Patsy!

Here is the Ransom Note Text for those with superior linguistic skills.

Mr. Ramsey,
Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your bussiness but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our posession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation such as police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny, as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good, southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now, John!

Victory! S.B.T.C