Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[Arkay]

He doesn’t look like he’s hustling in the video.

He’d caught up to them by the time he was close enough for Libby to record him.

Even if she zoomed the camera, his voice is near and clear.

No need to hustle at that point.

I presume you mean the BG DTH video clip because the rest of it hasn’t been made public.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

It’s the video of BG taking a couple of steps. The one we’ve all seen. I think that is the sum total of the video of BG that was taken.

NO, there is a much longer video that was shown in court. None of us have seen it.

Libby put her phone in her back pocket and it continued to film him as he followed behind them. And you hear the girls talking to each other about how to get away, where they can go, and then you hear him say 'GUYS, Down the Hill', and one of the girls says GUN....

 

[MiniMoo]

Not one. And the descriptions are all over the place, so it’s plausible they al saw different people.

Couldn't agree more - none of who they've described makes me think Richard Allen.

 

[detectivewannab]

After removing the one juror last week, how many men vs women are there?

 

[Warwick7]

If you are talking about Sarah Carbaugh she testified that when the photo came out she recognized "BG" as the man she saw she just didn't want to get involved in a murder investigation.

@shonyakay I totally agree. I just googled it and about 6 articles came up about how scared SC was to get involved. In my own opinion, if she had ever in the past went to police and the person got out and stalked her or harassed her, it would make anyone scared/terrified to go to LE.
She came around and did the right thing.

 

[AugustWest]

Wasn't all said questions about their alibis asked and answered during the pre-trial hearing? How much more evidence is required to prove that a person who clocked out at a time that makes it impossible to be at the bridge at 2:13, who had sworn testimony from a coworker placing them at work and even posted on SM about work was, indeed, at work?

That's why, IMO, it is the Judge's job to rule at which point the questioning is sufficient and needs to be dropped. Because lets be honest, if it was up to D attorneys there wouldn't be any evidence enough to prove that Someone Else Did Not Do It. (you can agree with me off the record, I will never tell!)

All MOO

I'll disagree with you on the record.

 

[minor4th]

How could three people walking together on a trail, see one person, walk by, and then it is somehow plausible they actually are describing three different people?

That is impossible. They all saw the same person. When interviewed separately, their descriptions varied, AS IS EXPECTED with witness descriptions after he fact.

Yeah, their descriptions varied and not one of the descriptions match Richard Allen.

I know eyewitness testimony is not so reliable, so I don’t put too much weight in it, but there are several people here posting about how all the witnesses identified RA or described BG. That’s simply not true.

 

[katydid23]

He said he saw three girls (not 4). I don’t think it’s conclusive that he saw the people who have testified against him.

The 4th was a very young little sister, probably he overlooked her. IMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Yes, and there have been third-party confessions and incubatory statements. Those should definitely be allowed.

Question: Can the judge's decision be challenged and overturned?

 

[otto]

But it wasn’t a man resembling Richard Allen according to the witness descriptions.

I thought the descriptions were close enough that it could be the man in Libby's video. One said black coat, another said blue. Small differences.

Did any of the witnesses look at the photo of the man in the video and declare that they did not see him?

 

[shonyakay]

RA saw an older female with long black hair that looked like a babysitter with two younger ones.

The three teens and minor saw a creepy man.

He saw three females not four and the group of four saw a man that creeped them out.

He didn't see three teens and a minor.

Whoever the group of four saw, however, didn't describe Richard Allen.

JMO MOO JMT

If you believe what Richard Allen claims then you believe he killed Libby and Abby which he admitted to numerous times.

 

[KSwizzle]

Because there is no evidence. Theory is not evidence.

Two other witnesses testified they saw men who were not described as RA. There is reasonable doubt that bridge guy is the person who committed these crimes, there’s reasonable doubt bridge guy is even RA (I think he is bridge guy)

And to the odinisim nonsense, just because RA may be receiving sub standard and or poor legal defense doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be afforded a defense and I completely disagree with anyone saying there’s not the possibility after multiple witnesses say they saw other men in the area, and on top of that there’s the whole Anthony shots account catfishing nonsense, not brung up could be related too poor counsel as well

There have been cases in the past where court railroaded a potential suspect who was innocent not just not guilty, we need to afford every person the chance to have a defense and it seems RA will not be able to do this so why was there even a trial

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

A third-party confession to the crime is direct evidence. As we see with the evidence against RA, timelines can change and there can be fact questions about alibis and their veracity.

Aren’t Richard Allen’s confessions are also direct evidence?

I get it, the defense argument is they were made under duress.
Still, he made them. The one to his mother seemed quite lucid, at least through the eyes of reporters in writing.

 

[flashy09]

He said he saw three girls (not 4). I don’t think it’s conclusive that he saw the people who have testified against him.

But they were leaving at the time RA says he was arriving (originally) and when his car is on video.

Maybe his eye witnesss memory wasn't perfect either with number of girls.

But I actually wouldn't put it past him to slightly change the number. He can't remember if his jacket was black or blue. I mean, really, he sees a picture of BG in a blue jacket two days later and can't remember if he was wearing black or blue himself? He can't remember if he was wearing boots or tennis shoes. Really? He likes to leave himself a little "out" it seems.

 

[INfisherman]

And with that thought, you could start youtube channel and get lots of clicks and followers.

(I mean "you" as people in general, not you specifically.)

jmo

Don’t forget to smash that subscribe button!

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Yeah, their descriptions varied and not one of the descriptions match Richard Allen.

I know eyewitness testimony is not so reliable, so I don’t put too much weight in it, but there are several people here posting about how all the witnesses identified RA or described BG. That’s simply not true.

We can agree to disagree.
IMO, RA was there, he saw the girls and they saw him. He has admitted to being there and has admitted to killing the 2 victims. That is what the jury is probably thinking about right now. IMO

 

[AugustWest]

Aren’t Richard Allen’s confessions are also direct evidence?

I get it, the defense argument is they were made under duress.
Still, he made them. The one to his mother seemed quite lucid, at least through the eyes of reporters in writing.

Yes, they are. I don't have a problem stating such. So explain allowing his and not someone else's.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m kind of surprised by the reactions.
There’s no DNA, no digital evidence.
All is not lost for those who believe RA is innocent.

Odinist-inspired murder would have been a stretch to sell to a jury, and may have had the opposite effect from what defense was seeking.

jmo

 

[MiniMoo]

If you believe what Richard Allen claims then you believe he killed Libby and Abby which he admitted to numerous times.

Those confessions are not in detail - anyone could say I killed so and so.

Consider this - at the time he described them he likely wasn't under suspicion and therefore had no need to lie or make up anything.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[detectivewannab]

Yeah, their descriptions varied and not one of the descriptions match Richard Allen.

I know eyewitness testimony is not so reliable, so I don’t put too much weight in it, but there are several people here posting about how all the witnesses identified RA or described BG. That’s simply not true.

They had a mock robbery at the bank I worked at with 10 bank employees present. None of the description matched.