Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[Mitch1]

Most cases-I would never say put the defendant on the stand, but if the defense has seen the prison videos they can show the jury just how heinous his treatment may have been, it could be worth putting RA up to testify.

 

[Crazyjster]

But are we sure it was his gun they were referring to? Is that actually what was said? I’ve seen trial attendees quibble about what was actually said and what could be heard.

The audio was enhanced like crazy...the photo was enhanced like crazy...what we see is not what was seen in court or heard in court. Who knows if anyone can really be identified or if what can be said is audible...and I don't think I would want my life based only on an identification made off of that video where my face is not identified, and no definitive audio (voice print matching is very hard to prove). Furthermore there is no definitive physical evidence tying him to that video, other than a resemblance and he had similar clothes...but not exact . That is called speculation...not proof. The prosecution is trying this case based on emotion, not proof.

 

[m00c0w]

It is totally within her discretion to allow remote testimony. No one is asking her to change the rules.

I don't think that asking to change rules MOO

Poor phrasing on my part. They’re asking her to grant an exception to the rule, and it sounds like she is refusing because she doesn’t feel like they’ve given enough rationale as to why the exception should be granted. Their lack of planning is not good enough for her to grant the request, is how it appears.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

There’s apparently an FBI 302 from the interview. That’s the way FBI documents all interviews. There won’t be any recording IMO

If BW was interviewed as a POI, they’d surely take the next step to seek the records of the time the ABM required servicing. That’d be the evidence required for impeachment, not simply a FBI report.

So why are they afraid to call BW to the stand? MOO

 

[m00c0w]

If BW was interviewed as a POI, they’d surely take the next step to seek the records of the time the ABM required servicing. That’d be the evidence required for impeachment, not simply a FBI report. MOO

Didn’t someone testify that BW’s phone records lined up with him going straight home that day?

 

[cbeagle]

Will the jury have the same confusion we are all having, since they can only work off their notes, like we only see the journalists' notes.
Will three jurors have notes that RA said white van, others just van and one thinks it was man?

 

[BUF]

He explained the tearing could have come from the handle of a box cutter though, which does make sense.

That dude is well past his prime. Another shortcoming with this whole thing.

Agree.

There are several things in this case that certainly could have been handled differently….especially that initial interview with RA being overlooked/ misfiled. Having the FBI leave was an odd and not good decision imo.

I only hope the jury can get past that stuff as I really feel this guy is guilty.

 

[photographer4]

He was close enough for Libby to see his gun.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-tip-marked-cleared-found-while-cleaning-out-desk-put-richard-allen-on-the-radar-in-2022/

We can't prove that she ever saw it, can we? I'm asking - I may have missed this part of the presentation to date? EDITED: I read the link - "that be a gun" - ok. For some reason, they believed he had a gun. Ty.

 

[Inthedetails]

Will the jury have the same confusion we are all having, since they can only work off their notes, like we only see the journalists' notes.
Will three jurors have notes that RA said white van, others just van and one thinks it was man?

No. They are there in person, close to the person speaking, fully dedicated to paying very close attention. They have each other to consult with. And, they can ask to review the evidence, etc. while deliberating, and I have a hunch this jury will review items if there is a question about what was said/shown.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

Didn’t someone testify that BW’s phone records lined up with him going straight home that day?

I don’t recall but that would certainly back up his story. The D doesn’t believe his timeline but can’t be bothered to try disprove it. ABM logs are available for every minute of the day, including servicing/down times etc. I have a hard time believing BW would knowingly lie knowing records exist. Maybe he later changed his timeline after double-checking his activities from that day? With proof, nothing nefarious about that.

 

[Dotta]

Delphi murder victims' families furious after court refused simple ask

Family and friends of Liberty German and Abigail Williams left furious at an Indiana court's decision to shield prison video footage from public out of 'respect' for the 'dignity' of the murderer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Inthedetails]

Most cases-I would never say put the defendant on the stand, but if the defense has seen the prison videos they can show the jury just how heinous his treatment may have been, it could be worth putting RA up to testify.

I would be shocked if they put him in the stand. Then again, I was shocked the defense tried the Odinist theory and so many people fell for it, so I suppose no one can predict what this team will do.

But RA is not likeable and not articulate. I think it's almost always a bad idea to put a defendant on the stand, but in this case, I think it would be a sure disaster.

jmo

 

[Boxer]

This one resonated with me, as it was by far the least ambiguous.

The call from May 17, 2023, was between Allen and his mother.

“Did Kathy tell you I did it?” Allen asked his mother.

“We’re not going to discuss this, okay?” his mother, Janis, replied. “We love you. You know that, don’t you?”

“Regardless?” Allen asked. “I’m just worried you guys aren’t going to love me because I said I did it.”

“Just saying it doesn’t mean you did it,” his mother said.

“It does when I did,” Allen replied.

“Ricky, they’re just messing with you,” she said.

“No, Mom, they’re not,” he said. “So if I said I did it, you wouldn’t love me anymore?”

“I will always love you no matter what. You can count on that,” his mother said.

‘I did it. Do you still love me?’ Jurors hear Allen’s phone call ‘confessions’ in Delphi murders trial

DELPHI, Ind. – Jurors heard several phone calls Richard Allen made to family members during Day 12 of testimony in the Delphi murders trial. Allen is charged with four counts of murder in connectio…

fox59.com

MOO all this does is highlight that RA is a difficult person. A legit innocent person is working to clear their name.
MOO This is throwing the cookie jar around after being caught taking cookies just to get a change in the conversation.

 

[Crazyjster]

Agree.

There are several things in this case that certainly could have been handled differently….especially that initial interview with RA being overlooked/ misfiled. Having the FBI leave was an odd and not good decision imo.

I only hope the jury can get past that stuff as I really feel this guy is guilty.

What if the the tip wasn't overlooked...what if they decided to take another look at things because public pressure was overwhelming to get an arrest and they went back and found his tip. They had reasonable suspicion to interview him, and probable cause for a search, They built this case on emotion and not fact..RA he fit a profile and they hoped the evidence would appear..except it hasn't...

 

[m00c0w]

RA is accused, not convicted - why would his dignity not be preserved? MOOO. That said, I noted earlier and I stand by, this imo wasn't about his dignity so much as lack of transparency as to the conditions he was stuck in. MOOOO.

It was the defense’s doing.

The defense said the videos were being played only for the jury “out of respect” for Allen and to show his mental deterioration while in custody

Is the defense also now in on the conspiracy?

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-jurors-react-to-video-of-richard-allen-in-custody/

 

[photographer4]

My thing is still they haven’t proven that bridge guy is the killer BARD so even if bridge guy is RA, which it probably is I’m not convinced

I'm not convinced and I would be voting NOT GUILTY no matter what as of right now because of that. I see so much reasonable doubt that I'm actually surprised they got the arrest warrant!! mooo

 

[Mitch1]

What if the the tip wasn't overlooked...what if they decided to take another look at things because public pressure was overwhelming to get an arrest and they went back and found his tip. They had reasonable suspicion to interview him, and probable cause for a search, They built this case on emotion and not fact..RA he fit a profile and they hoped the evidence would appear..except it hasn't...

Not sure where I saw she wouldn’t let in but 3 videos but I see at least the jury did in fact watch several and from reports some jurors had some unpleasant facial expressions while viewing. I can only hope it shows exactly how RA could have been driven crazy enough to make those “confessions”. IMO that’s the only reason he did, after all there was nothing in them that only the killer would know.

 

[FrostedGlass]

You don’t think it’s necessary for the jurors to be shown actual photos of the victims of the crime?

In most cases, NO.
Diagrams can explain injuries as well as actual photos. I sure would not need to see a an actual pic of poor Libby's body with her head almost amputated; a diagram would be sufficient. Those pics will be burned forever in the minds of the people who saw them; it's a horrible thing to remember.
MOO

 

[Boxer]

What if the the tip wasn't overlooked...what if they decided to take another look at things because public pressure was overwhelming to get an arrest and they went back and found his tip. They had reasonable suspicion to interview him, and probable cause for a search, They built this case on emotion and not fact..RA he fit a profile and they hoped the evidence would appear..except it hasn't...

The GBI did a top to bottom case review. They blew it too.

 

[photographer4]

Many of the D’s alternative scenarios do not make sense.

If BG was not up on the bridge directly behind the girls it becomes obvious they couldn’t have been boxed in near the end of it. They’d have the opportunity to simply turn around and hustle back across the bridge. MOO

Even if the D's theories make no sense, the state has the burden of proof - to me, its sorely lacking here for the State.