GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[flashy09]

Speculation: KA said she and Rick always did their own thing. Reading WAY between the lines, I wonder if their bedroom was long cooled.... one might wonder, given his mental health crises, if he had performance issues, further cementing for KA that he wouldn't do such a thing, because maybe he couldn't ...

Ricky said he thought the girls were older, didn't R them... in order to make himself not guilty of that, as if it somehow exonerates him. He forced them to undress. That is a sexual assault. He was alone with them for another 14 minutes before crossing the creek. 14 minutes is a long time. He took panties and a sock as trophies. He's right -- he didn't R them. (And no one did, something only the perpetrator could know.) But that doesn't mean he didn't further SA them.

For all we know, he had really low performance self esteem, wanted to be laughed at, humiliated (it's a thing), tied up. He may have a variety of fetishes which fulfill "sensually motivated crime". Yoyeurism, exhibition, feet. He smoked a cigarette.

He is remarkably silent about those 14 minutes. What he didn't do (R) doesn't account for any of those long minutes. It must have been awful because he's not saying.

JMO

For sure I think he did horrible things to those girls. Yes the phone stopped moving at a certain time, but that could have just been the time they had to get undressed.
He also said he thought they could have been as young as 11.

 

[INfisherman]

BBM & RSBM

I have long believed that this is one reason that Richard Allen was not identified earlier: his family "did not want to disrupt her own life".

Using common sense, if we are looking for a family member in a crowd, we rely on certain key factors to identify them. A significant factor is how they walk and carry themselves - gait. Richard Allen has a distinctive gait. Other factors are height, weight and how they typically dress. If we see a video of a family member wearing an odd hat, familiar coat and pants, and walking across a foot bridge, we should know whether it is our family member.

If we know that the family member was at location where the video was taken at the time that the video was taken, we should know that the family member is the man in the video.

If the family member does not want to search for two missing children because he fears he will be blamed for the fact that they are missing, we have three clues that the family member is responsible.

When we see the sketch, although not perfect, there are four clues. At the very least, someone in his family should have reported what they knew. According to recent documentaries about Bundy, his girlfriend reported him to police - which assisted in identifying him. His girlfriend is portrayed as tormented for suspecting him.

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When KA was interviewed by police, she initially denied that Richard Allen talked about walking the trails on the day the girls were murdered.

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Interview starts on page 154, on page 163 she denies that he discussed being on the trails that day. That was a conscious decision to be dishonest. Why?
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I suspect that there is a similar problem with identifying the suspect in the Evansdale cousins murders. Someone knows, but that person doesn't want to disrupt their own life.

She’s just constantly trying to minimize everything. So many answers start out as no but turn into the complete opposite.

None of the enablers want to upset the fragile troll or disrupt their lives. Troll gets angry easily & is sassy or punches things or threatens suicide. Everyone walks on eggshells around the troll. Let troll drink a little so the troll can calm down, even if he shouldn’t be drinking, considering the anti-troll medication he’s taking.

Troll is gonna troll.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

It cannot be overstated.

Ricky told KA he didn't want them to search because ...

There'd be too many people
Let LE do their job
And they might get blamed

If Abby and Libby met up with some friends, why would the Allens be blamed?

If bridge boards have out, and the girls fell to their deaths, why would Allen's be blamed?

If the girls got lost, why would the Allen's be blamed?

How did Ricky already know that something blameworthy occurred?

And that never occurred to KA, not even with years of hindsight?

She didn't want it to be Ricky. So she looked no further.

JMO

MOO She didn't want her life to change so she just kept walking.

 

[FromGermany1]

MOO She didn't want her life to change so she just kept walking.

Yes, BUT: Why wasn't she afraid of becoming his victim herself someday? I don't quite understand that. I would be too afraid of a man like that. Nothing happened for 25 years – was that enough security for her? His declarations of love - enough for her?

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, BUT: Why wasn't she afraid of becoming his victim herself someday? I don't quite understand that. I would be too afraid of a man like that. Nothing happened for 25 years – was that enough security for her? His declarations of love - enough for her?

Codependency. Rational thinking goes out the window in many instances.

She needs him to support her & make her feel necessary. I don’t mean this as an insult & feel this way regardless of the crime, but I do not believe she is very intelligent, possibly developmentally behind most adults in some ways. Very, very naive.

He needs her to keep him from falling into the depths of depression & making himself feel needed as well as someone else to deal with his tantrums. She’s mommy in some ways now. He also needs her around so he gets his control/power trip fed & drive him around when he’s had too much to drink.

He’s told her what to do, think, how to behave for decades. He’s convinced her she’s nothing without him & he knows he’ll likely never find another so easily duped.

ETA - She said he didn’t have many friends. I think it’s highly likely she didn’t either. He wouldn’t allow it.

Not an expert, all JMO.

 

[Megnut]

Yes, BUT: Why wasn't she afraid of becoming his victim herself someday? I don't quite understand that. I would be too afraid of a man like that. Nothing happened for 25 years – was that enough security for her? His declarations of love - enough for her?

Everything @INfisherman said. Codependency. And not only did he convince her that she was nothing without him, she believed he needed her. A closed loop of dysfunction. In her interview: yeah, he's not supposed to drink (with the meds he's on) but (subtext) you try telling him no.

Oh, and he always takes his medicine. Religiously. (Even, I guess, when they're the wrong ones and not working?) Subtext: I make sure of it. Mother hen.

Making a sick dynamic. Forces her into mothering him, then resents her for it, but then goes off the rails when she doesn't give him her full attention.

In her interview, where LE is OBVIOUSLY questioning whether Ricky is BG, she goes on a long sidetracked talking about her new van -- "you wouldn't believe how much it can hold" -- some umbrage that you have to push a button or should be able to (I think related to cleaner driving). Anyway, I bring it up because IMO it didn't sound like HER issue at all. I think it was Ricky's. Ricky probably had a lot of opinions (oh, the bureaucracy of Walmart) that KA adopted/parrots.

While giggling at any suggestion that Ricky was BG, KA (inadvertantly IMO) painted a very clear picture of just how unstable her husband is. A far different portrait than the kindly pharmacy guy. Brooding, drinking, needy, demanding, manipulative, gun-threatening.

She did not put the facts in front of her (at any point starting from 2/13 through this interview through the trial and beyond "this isn't over" through any critical thinking machine.

Rejecting everything in order to maintain "he wouldn't do this".

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Everything @INfisherman said. Codependency. And not only did he convince her that she was nothing without him, she believed he needed her. A closed loop of dysfunction. In her interview: yeah, he's not supposed to drink (with the meds he's on) but (subtext) you try telling him no.

Oh, and he always takes his medicine. Religiously. (Even, I guess, when they're the wrong ones and not working?) Subtext: I make sure of it. Mother hen.

Making a sick dynamic. Forces her into mothering him, then resents her for it, but then goes off the rails when she doesn't give him her full attention.

In her interview, where LE is OBVIOUSLY questioning whether Ricky is BG, she goes on a long sidetracked talking about her new van -- "you wouldn't believe how much it can hold" -- some umbrage that you have to push a button or should be able to (I think related to cleaner driving). Anyway, I bring it up because IMO it didn't sound like HER issue at all. I think it was Ricky's. Ricky probably had a lot of opinions (oh, the bureaucracy of Walmart) that KA adopted/parrots.

While giggling at any suggestion that Ricky was BG, KA (inadvertantly IMO) painted a very clear picture of just how unstable her husband is. A far different portrait than the kindly pharmacy guy. Brooding, drinking, needy, demanding, manipulative, gun-threatening.

She did not put the facts in front of her (at any point starting from 2/13 through this interview through the trial and beyond "this isn't over" through any critical thinking machine.

Rejecting everything in order to maintain "he wouldn't do this".

JMO

I haven't forgotten, that she went with him drinking at least 3-4 times a week in the pub, where he once had been photographed just in front of the BG Wanted-picture. Also I haven't forgotten, that the pub owner or else said, that RA once threatened his wife, he would beat her black and blue, if she didn't come with him now (at the end of an evening). Did she giggle or something? I have forgotten meanwhile. She didn't care about it anymore, I remember. I was surprised by these conditions, which other people also sometimes noticed.
What a marriage, OMG! She his drinking buddy, who cared about his consumption (or not)??

 

[INfisherman]

I haven't forgotten, that she went with him drinking at least 3-4 times a week in the pub, where he once had been photographed just in front of the BG Wanted-picture. Also I haven't forgotten, that the pub owner or else said, that RA once threatened his wife, he would beat her black and blue, if she didn't come with him now (at the end of an evening). Did she giggle or something? I have forgotten meanwhile. She didn't care about it anymore, I remember. I was surprised by these conditions, which other people also sometimes noticed.
What a marriage, OMG! She his drinking buddy, who cared about his consumption (or not)??

Likely both products of the environments in which they were raised. I do not wish to give off a judge mental, nose in the air, I’m better than you aura, but it’s just reality, plain & simple. It’s unfortunate that life may have winners or losers in some regards. This is purely discussion & spit balling & nothing more.

I’ve lived here all my life & most areas have certain circles, for lack of better words, which just don’t offer much of a chance at a quality life. Family (low esteem, lacking moral foundations/guidance), substance abuse/issues/use, low level education, poverty, crime of all types, mental health issues, early pregnancy/marriage, lack of opportunities, pick your poison, any of which may contribute to some of what you observe but cannot fathom in your own life concerning the 2 about which we’re discussing. Common sense is often severely lacking. Probably not a unique scenario in any given state or country in some manner or another.

Those conditions can be very difficult for some people to claw their way out of those types of situations for various reasons. Some cannot, as they aren’t built to get out of it. Some see it as their normal life. Some just don’t care enough but there are a few who do rise above it all - look at the daughter, for example, & hopefully she’s made a better life as best she can & considering what she was unable to control, no fault of her own.

Lastly, just because a person comes from one or all of the backgrounds listed above doesn’t mean they’re not worthy of respect, equality, empathy or kindness nor does it mean they’ll end up being a bad person, criminals, etc.. These are just some unfortunate things which I feel may contribute to some of the behaviors & tendencies we have observed with these 2 individuals & likely others. A difficult circle to break at times.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Likely both products of the environments in which they were raised. I do not wish to give off a judge mental, nose in the air, I’m better than you aura, but it’s just reality, plain & simple. It’s unfortunate that life may have winners or losers in some regards. This is purely discussion & spit balling & nothing more.

I’ve lived here all my life & most areas have certain circles, for lack of better words, which just don’t offer much of a chance at a quality life. Family (low esteem, lacking moral foundations/guidance), substance abuse/issues/use, low level education, poverty, crime of all types, mental health issues, early pregnancy/marriage, lack of opportunities, pick your poison, any of which may contribute to some of what you observe but cannot fathom in your own life concerning the 2 about which we’re discussing. Common sense is often severely lacking. Probably not a unique scenario in any given state or country in some manner or another.

Those conditions can be very difficult for some people to claw their way out of those types of situations for various reasons. Some cannot, as they aren’t built to get out of it. Some see it as their normal life. Some just don’t care enough but there are a few who do rise above it all - look at the daughter, for example, & hopefully she’s made a better life as best she can & considering what she was unable to control, no fault of her own.

Lastly, just because a person comes from one or all of the backgrounds listed above doesn’t mean they’re not worthy of respect, equality, empathy or kindness nor does it mean they’ll end up being a bad person, criminals, etc.. These are just some unfortunate things which I feel may contribute to some of the behaviors & tendencies we have observed with these 2 individuals & likely others. A difficult circle to break at times.

JMO

And... didn't we learn that they met in school? Just how old was she? Is there an age difference here? Ricky might have a (twisted) thing for budding teens because that's where he started.

 JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Likely both products of the environments in which they were raised. I do not wish to give off a judge mental, nose in the air, I’m better than you aura, but it’s just reality, plain & simple. It’s unfortunate that life may have winners or losers in some regards. This is purely discussion & spit balling & nothing more.

I’ve lived here all my life & most areas have certain circles, for lack of better words, which just don’t offer much of a chance at a quality life. Family (low esteem, lacking moral foundations/guidance), substance abuse/issues/use, low level education, poverty, crime of all types, mental health issues, early pregnancy/marriage, lack of opportunities, pick your poison, any of which may contribute to some of what you observe but cannot fathom in your own life concerning the 2 about which we’re discussing. Common sense is often severely lacking. Probably not a unique scenario in any given state or country in some manner or another.

Those conditions can be very difficult for some people to claw their way out of those types of situations for various reasons. Some cannot, as they aren’t built to get out of it. Some see it as their normal life. Some just don’t care enough but there are a few who do rise above it all - look at the daughter, for example, & hopefully she’s made a better life as best she can & considering what she was unable to control, no fault of her own.

Lastly, just because a person comes from one or all of the backgrounds listed above doesn’t mean they’re not worthy of respect, equality, empathy or kindness nor does it mean they’ll end up being a bad person, criminals, etc.. These are just some unfortunate things which I feel may contribute to some of the behaviors & tendencies we have observed with these 2 individuals & likely others. A difficult circle to break at times.

JMO

I'm thinking of them both, the spouses, also on the background of my own experiences. Despite 3 children, divorced for ages because of alcohol abuse (and the consequences) by my partner. We married too young, when we were 19 and 22. He was a nice man and didn't treat me or our children badly. But he wasn't made really for being a supporting husband or father. We both never married again. He died, when he was 56.

 

[Boxer]

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One of the original posters. Pretty much the guy from CVS.

 

[ReadySet]

Was this posted at the time? If so I missed it.
Wow. DN.

Colorado man cleared in two murder investigations now jailed for alleged road rage killing

Daniel Nations, a 39-year-old Colorado Springs resident who previously was questioned in the deaths of three people but never charged, was recently arrested after police say he ran over another driver during a road rage encounter.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[FromGermany1]

Was this posted at the time? If so I missed it.
Wow. DN.

Colorado man cleared in two murder investigations now jailed for alleged road rage killing

Daniel Nations, a 39-year-old Colorado Springs resident who previously was questioned in the deaths of three people but never charged, was recently arrested after police say he ran over another driver during a road rage encounter.

www.cbsnews.com

Something similar was to be expected from him. MOO