AK AK - Steve Keel, 61, missing from hunting trip, from TN - Aug 27, 2022

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I have to wonder if we aren’t hearing the whole story for some reason. Is this because that’s all that’s being released to the public, or is it that SK’s hunting partner hasn’t been fully forthcoming with information.

Something else I’ve been curious about…. Is it common practice for hunters these days to wear camouflage clothing on these kind of hunts? When I was younger I recall being taught you should wear bright colors, to avoid being mistaken for wildlife by other hunters.
Bright orange can’t be seen by deer, but it stands out to humans. This is a popular color this time of year around here, for safety reasons. You just reminded me, I’ve gotta get some.
The thing is, SK wasn’t actively hunting, so camo of any kind wasn’t necessary.
 
I suspect no poles, the 1st caribou ? So why were poles set up this time, ? it appears, flight, is leaving , time is imminent, so poles set up for this last trek ? BTW, SK, sat down that pack so SK, you go get it . ? Ole man, you left the pack, We marked with poles, you, SK, get it , Man Up ! Ok if lost meet up at the van, SK almost certainly, noted he missed the meat pack, did he start heading to the van, then ? 12 pm, 1pm, by 2pm, is SK at the van ? If so did BOTH MEN have keys to this van ? Because, Bryan did, and he was able to get inside the van ., So while at the van, SK realizes, he cannot get in the van because Bryan had the only set of keys ? If SK missed the meat, then missed the camp or went straight to the van earlier than Bryan, would SK wait, had no food, take cover , hide under the van , for protection, stay close to the van because, the van must be on the highway, somewhere , SK, bound to get help or walk away from the van inbound . . Was the stream, blueberries, highway, mountains, and tent all, Parallel ? To another ? Did the men have a scuffle or just one, the one with all the locating gadgets, van keys, and usually, always the correct measurements , Bryan ? Just asking , so would the search team do better at the van location, this maybe would have given SK. , a better edge . .
 
I suspect no poles, the 1st caribou ? So why were poles set up this time, ? it appears, flight, is leaving , time is imminent, so poles set up for this last trek ? BTW, SK, sat down that pack so SK, you go get it . ? Ole man, you left the pack, We marked with poles, you, SK, get it , Man Up ! Ok if lost meet up at the van, SK almost certainly, noted he missed the meat pack, did he start heading to the van, then ? 12 pm, 1pm, by 2pm, is SK at the van ? If so did BOTH MEN have keys to this van ? Because, Bryan did, and he was able to get inside the van ., So while at the van, SK realizes, he cannot get in the van because Bryan had the only set of keys ? If SK missed the meat, then missed the camp or went straight to the van earlier than Bryan, would SK wait, had no food, take cover , hide under the van , for protection, stay close to the van because, the van must be on the highway, somewhere , SK, bound to get help or walk away from the van inbound . . Was the stream, blueberries, highway, mountains, and tent all, Parallel ? To another ? Did the men have a scuffle or just one, the one with all the locating gadgets, van keys, and usually, always the correct measurements , Bryan ? Just asking , so would the search team do better at the van location, this maybe would have given SK. , a better edge . .
Sorry, I'm not sure I can figure out what you're saying and I'm having trouble guessing. But I also don't want to miss your point. Would it be possible for you to write down your ideas in standard sentences? Thanks!
 
Sorry, I'm not sure I can figure out what you're saying and I'm having trouble guessing. But I also don't want to miss your point. Would it be possible for you to write down your ideas in standard sentences? Thanks!
1st caribou was killed without the pole system, so why this last one, ?...time is of essence, flight is leaving , seems weird, margin of error .time is crucial . . Steve goes alone , is the pole system even accurate ?. .or was it readjusted later, when , or before SAR, starts, ? since SK, missed the meat, ? He , SK, was closer to the van, pivot to the van, highway, visible, like Hey Bryan don't leave without me, the van was an alternate meeting place.....BTW, did SK, even have van keys ??? to get into that van at the meeting place or only Bryan has van keys ? SK, having van keys would have secured him, maybe even with more protection, ? Food or more water . .. would SK, be closer to the van, highway, as a SAR . ..? SK, you go get the meat you laid it down, . ..you go back and get it, By SK, not taking any guide tools other than his phone, he should have nothing else of what belongs to Bryan if he should push away further , from this situation . .. was there a scuffle,. .
 
Also, if only 1 set of van keys, Bryan has the van keys he can get into that van, Bryan did , and took refuge .

But since SK is lost , and if he had the van keys SK, then Bryan would have been at a disadvantage. One person held all . ...or most of the cards , Bryan .

Now this may have just been circumstantial because we have Bryan's details but maybe not SKs details, these details, SKs are possible deductive reasons found by what appears, as missing parts .
 
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I suspect no poles, the 1st caribou ? So why were poles set up this time, ? it appears, flight, is leaving , time is imminent, so poles set up for this last trek ? BTW, SK, sat down that pack so SK, you go get it . ? Ole man, you left the pack, We marked with poles, you, SK, get it , Man Up ! Ok if lost meet up at the van, SK almost certainly, noted he missed the meat pack, did he start heading to the van, then ? 12 pm, 1pm, by 2pm, is SK at the van ? If so did BOTH MEN have keys to this van ? Because, Bryan did, and he was able to get inside the van ., So while at the van, SK realizes, he cannot get in the van because Bryan had the only set of keys ? If SK missed the meat, then missed the camp or went straight to the van earlier than Bryan, would SK wait, had no food, take cover , hide under the van , for protection, stay close to the van because, the van must be on the highway, somewhere , SK, bound to get help or walk away from the van inbound . . Was the stream, blueberries, highway, mountains, and tent all, Parallel ? To another ? Did the men have a scuffle or just one, the one with all the locating gadgets, van keys, and usually, always the correct measurements , Bryan ? Just asking , so would the search team do better at the van location, this maybe would have given SK. , a better edge . .
I think the plan was they would meet up at the van, if they got separated (lost). If Steve was able to make it to the van, it’s likely he would have waited . Bryan was at the van before dark. Somebody had to have the keys, not sure it matters who had them, if they were supposed to meet up.
 
Since SKs, phone last pinged Fairbanks, date his phone entered Fairbanks, did Steve ever really make it to anywhere else, ? Including his phone, could ping without him ?
I understood that it pinged in Fairbanks because that was the last place he travelled that had cell service. There was no service where they camped and hunted.
 
I think the plan was they would meet up at the van, if they got separated (lost). If Steve was able to make it to the van, it’s likely he would have waited . Bryan was at the van before dark. Somebody had to have the keys, not sure it matters who had them, if they were supposed to meet up.
Well if Bryan had the keys SK, could not get in if he was at the van first ,? Maybe as early as 1pm. ..I wonder if any videos, or stores or etc since it was an 11 hour ride into dead horse, in case , to substantiate Steve was there initially all the way in, or if he made it to dead horse there's a store there , if there at deadhorse, were there any store videos should he be lost as well or nefarious .

Bryan is the only one telling the information, at the van by dark , so that's all that is known ?
 
reaistically, unaided, the lost person would only be able to go a given distance.
injured, he would be able to go less far.

he was an ex marine and an experienced hunter, so I am willing, IMO, to figure that if he was competent, he would have made himself visible or stayed in one place to be found. what I am thinking now is that he was tired the day before, so was he getting sick or pushing himself too hard? the one article said that "after coffee the next morning," he went back out to get the meat- so not feeling particularly ill or if feeling worn out, not expressing it. the problem with that is that he should have been realy close to the tent/meat/camp.

remember this lady:

Missing hiker later found dead kept journal of ordeal

https://www.cbsnews.com › news › missing-hiker-geral...





May 25, 2016 — Geraldine Largay, 66, disappeared while hiking Appalachian Trail in July 2013; survived at least 26 days after getting lost, journal shows.

she was very close to where she "went missing"
For anyone interested, here is a link to her WS thread.

 
Since CS is the only one who has done ground searches for SK in the last week or so, are we able to link to his FB page? He has several new videos up. I think it’s very commendable that he’s continued searching , while all other searchers pulled out.
 
Since CS is the only one who has done ground searches for SK in the last week or so, are we able to link to his FB page? He has several new videos up. I think it’s very commendable that he’s continued searching , while all other searchers pulled out.
Who is CS? I am trying to keep up but have missed that ID. You can use the Report option to ask a mod about video sharing permission - just FYI.
 
Since CS is the only one who has done ground searches for SK in the last week or so, are we able to link to his FB page? He has several new videos up. I think it’s very commendable that he’s continued searching , while all other searchers pulled out.
CS has also tried to do something that the other ground searchers haven’t: get into the head of the lost person. He’s using a strategy of SAR: determine the decision points and pursue those. That strategy comes from the science of “lost person behavior”.
 
Who is CS? I am trying to keep up but have missed that ID. You can use the Report option to ask a mod about video sharing permission - just FYI.
CS has a page on FB. He’s searching right now and has videos. Humble guy, unlike the others who were all about credentials and had a lot of expectations. IMO. He has some really good ideas. Instead of sticking to the premise of ‘SK couldn’t possibly have gone missing, I mean, that’s ridiculous”, which has been a dominant feature in this case, he proceeds along the lines, “SK did go missing, and since he likely got lost, where would he have decided to go?”
 
CS has a page on FB. He’s searching right now and has videos. Humble guy, unlike the others who were all about credentials and had a lot of expectations. IMO. He has some really good ideas. Instead of sticking to the premise of ‘SK couldn’t possibly have gone missing, I mean, that’s ridiculous”, which has been a dominant feature in this case, he proceeds along the lines, “SK did go missing, and since he likely got lost, where would he have decided to go?”
Good. He might get some results & solve this mystery. Because it is a very odd disappearance, even if triggered by a medical episode of some kind, which I suspect.

Pretty much a classic case study in environmental challenges that don't appear to outsiders to be that daunting, but in actual experience are VERY MUCH SO. I believe my statement could hold up for the well-prepared traveler in wilderness off the Dalton as well as the underprepared.

MOO
 
Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from -22°F to 56°F and is rarely below -41°F or above 69°F.
Sounds like perfect summer weather to me! The heat just zaps my energy.

I hope he is found soon, alive and safe. How awful the wait must be for family and friends. So glad that they are remaining strong and leaning on their faith and each other.
 
CS has a page on FB. He’s searching right now and has videos. Humble guy, unlike the others who were all about credentials and had a lot of expectations. IMO. He has some really good ideas. Instead of sticking to the premise of ‘SK couldn’t possibly have gone missing, I mean, that’s ridiculous”, which has been a dominant feature in this case, he proceeds along the lines, “SK did go missing, and since he likely got lost, where would he have decided to go?”
Your post is quite right; afterall, the man IS missing. Assuming his survival skills can keep him alive, that's the best place to begin. (Where would he go?)
 
Good. He might get some results & solve this mystery. Because it is a very odd disappearance, even if triggered by a medical episode of some kind, which I suspect.

Pretty much a classic case study in environmental challenges that don't appear to outsiders to be that daunting, but in actual experience are VERY MUCH SO. I believe my statement could hold up for the well-prepared traveler in wilderness off the Dalton as well as the underprepared.

MOO
Hypothetically, what medical events rise to the top of your list as being most likely? TIA
 
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