Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #6

[SMK777]

Is it common in the U.S. for LE incident reports to be released to the public?​

It was my understanding that it was part of the new transparency laws, but maybe it differs from state to state.

 

[Poppyflower]

Vanderburgh County, IN Sheriff's Office has released their police reports by responding officers at the link below:

2022-NR-0510

DATE: May 10, 2022 SUBJECT: Alabama Fugitives Arrested in Vanderburgh County RELEASE NUMBER: 2022-NR-0510 CONTACT: Sheriff Dave Wedding AUTHORITY: Sheriff

vanderburghsheriff.org

"Aid was immediately rendered to Vicky by on- scene personnel, but she was later pronounced deceased at the hospital."

I wouldn't consider what I saw in the bodycam footage to be immediate aid. I understand they couldn't get to her bc of the wreckage and were being careful as she was still holding the gun. Wording should be aid was given as soon as the scene was secure or as soon as leo confiscated the weapon.

Maybe I'm being too particular or I've watched too many trials where leo doesn't render aid at all.

imo

 

[SMK777]

Cant help but wonder if she thought he would die with her and not take the cowards way out at the end while she sit there dying? He had time. He could have taken the gun from her and shot himself or started running and shooting which would get him killed. Instead, he,s dangling his hands out the window hoping they dont shoot him.

His attorney who stated in an article linked up thread that Casey was suicidal and would die rather than return to prison was certainly mistaken.

 

[Snoop Sister]

"Aid was immediately rendered to Vicky by on- scene personnel, but she was later pronounced deceased at the hospital."

I wouldn't consider what I saw in the bodycam footage to be immediate aid. I understand they couldn't get to her bc of the wreckage and were being careful as she was still holding the gun. Wording should be aid was given as soon as the scene was secure or as soon as leo confiscated the weapon.

Maybe I'm being too particular or I've watched too many trials where leo doesn't render aid at all.

imo

It was not immediate aid and i certainly was not impressed when after they dragged her out of the vehicle they continued to drag her up the incline.

I also wonder why in most of the incident reports it is clearly stated that LE heard the gunshot after the vehicle was completely overturned. Worried about a law suit?

 

[PawneeDew]

Two observations based on what I hear in the released audio--

I never hear, "we surrender."

Or "Casey, I love you."

Read into it what you will.

JMO

Maybe the honeymoon was over?

 

[Seattle1]

"Aid was immediately rendered to Vicky by on- scene personnel, but she was later pronounced deceased at the hospital."

I wouldn't consider what I saw in the bodycam footage to be immediate aid. I understand they couldn't get to her bc of the wreckage and were being careful as she was still holding the gun. Wording should be aid was given as soon as the scene was secure or as soon as leo confiscated the weapon.

Maybe I'm being too particular or I've watched too many trials where leo doesn't render aid at all.

imo

From the videos, VW was disarmed, extracted from the crashed vehicle, and administered to in less than 7 minutes! It also appeared to me that LE was preparing to transport VW in a police cruiser.

I also think it's implied by that LE rendered aid when safe to do so (as evidenced by LE holding back the EMT from approaching the crash).

No complaints about the first responders here.

 

[Poppyflower]

From the videos, VW was disarmed, extracted from the crashed vehicle, and administered to in less than 7 minutes! It also appeared to me that LE was preparing to transport VW in a police cruiser.

I also think it's implied by that LE rendered aid when safe to do so (as evidenced by LE holding back the EMT from approaching the crash).

No complaints about the first responders here.

I'm not complaining, if that is what you're implying.

I just wouldn't consider aid to be immediate. Also in my post I said that I understood why aid was probably given when leo felt the scene was secure or they felt safe- *which is understandable in this case*. I just would not have used the word immediate from watching the bodycam footage myself. I would have thought they would have had ems very close and ready to run in as soon as the gun was confiscated. I assume that it was very obvious she wasn't going to make it and he did say he heard aganol breathing so they were probably pretty sure she wasn't going to make it. I thought that they would still try to assist her out in a way to try to preserve her life in case they were wrong? They're not EMS, paramedics, etc. I imagine sometimes this could be considered negligent and could further injure or kill the person.

Did I miss that they administered aid? I don't think I saw that but I don't have the best memory

 

[PawneeDew]

I feel it has to be something more than boredom or emptiness that would cause a woman to voluntarily latch on to a man who kills women, and expresses the desire to kill more women. I don’t really have any sympathy for her, although I am not glad she’s dead. She willingly unleashed a violent, predatory person back into society - what, because she was lonely? She worked for years among some of the most undesirable people in society and picks this guy. Something is very deeply and sadly wrong when this is the kind of person a woman would willingly choose. And if we’re going to feel such grief for her because of whatever weaknesses she had that led to this, are we also going to give CW the the same kind of response?

Whoa, where did you hear that he had killed a woman and expressed a desire to kill more women??

 

[passionflower]

Maybe on an incline position it would slow down the blood from the wound?

 

[Arkay]

"Aid was immediately rendered to Vicky by on- scene personnel, but she was later pronounced deceased at the hospital."

I wouldn't consider what I saw in the bodycam footage to be immediate aid. I understand they couldn't get to her bc of the wreckage and were being careful as she was still holding the gun. Wording should be aid was given as soon as the scene was secure or as soon as leo confiscated the weapon.

Maybe I'm being too particular or I've watched too many trials where leo doesn't render aid at all.

imo

I do understand why you would reword it that way.

However, IMO though, their aid was immediate. It's not like they were standing around, having a cup of coffee and a few cigarettes before they approached the vehicle.

They swarmed the vehicle immediately without knowing that they would be safe, since at that point they didn't know Vicky was unconscious already. They did have to operate with caution when they saw she had her finger on the trigger, and they did have to remove her from a mangled, sideways vehicle. They did have to get tools to extricate her from a convoluted situation.

I truly believe they did everything they could as quickly as possible, considering the danger they were confronting to themselves and the intricacies of extracting her.

Jmo

 

[branmuffin]

Yes, it sounded like a scream. Even though this is the second time I'm listening to this audio I didn't hear VW say "Help me" to the dispatcher. I was surprised I heard that today. I guess the first time I was actually shocked to hear the recording as many people on this thread I'm sure are. Also VW said either after or before asking for help she implored the dispatcher to have the chase stopped. Unfortunately it was a very volatile situation and LE also had to be protected as well. So it was an extremely difficult situation whereby LE couldn't call off the chase either. They would be dammed if they did and be dammed if they didn't. IMO The Marshal's Service did the best they could under a very trying circumstance. Sadly I completely understand that VW was trying to get the chase to stop but by the time VW expressed this it was too late even though it was just minutes after they left the hotel. In a split second the dynamic of the chase changed into the crash. It took less than a minute to deploy the spike belt. So, sadly her need to have the chase stopped was to late by the time she verbalized it.

Where are you getting information that a spike belt was used? The only news source I've seen when a spike belt is referred to is the Daily Mail. Then a newspaper from India reported verbatim what the DM said. I question the veracity of that statement because before the Cadillac crashed they had driven over a grassy area described as a cornfield before several US marshal vehicles hit their vehicle in a successful attempt to stop the chase. You can see the front end damage on at least 3 Dodge Rams. If they were traveling off road I don't know how LE could have anticipated where their vehicle would have ended up. It would have endangered other LE vehicles in hot pursuit.

 

[PawneeDew]

Well...I'm going to hold my breath and share my opinion. It's only an opinion. I'm a very open-minded person, so feel free to offer up constructive objections...but please don't be mean! I think that they loved each other. (the kind only they understood, I guess) My opinion only, V.W. had some issues, but was basically a good person. In my opinion only, the crime that C.W. was convicted of, should have been considered a 'crime of passion' and also with mental issues??
Moo 75 years?!?
I mean, what kind of lawyer did he have? Not a high-priced one, surely? (I have to admit that I didn't like the part about him killing a dog, though. I love dogs!) Also the murder that he confessed to is in question. It's not proven, even. Thank you to Websleuths, and Tricia, for letting me share my opinion.

 

[wary]

Whoa, where did you hear that he had killed a woman and expressed a desire to kill more women??

All over the place. He confessed to the murder-for-hire of one woman. (Then he and his lawyer changed it to not guilty by reason of mental issues. Note that that’s not a denial that he did it.) That’s why he was in the Lauderdale jail—preparing for trial in June.

And he expressed a desire to murder his ex-girlfriend—at least, I read that all over the place. That’s the ex-girlfriend he was attacking in the 2015 crime spree that got him 75 years to life. I’ll go looking for a source.

Here’s one source—slightly hearsay, but it was the first I found.

Ex-Girlfriend Of Escaped Alabama Prisoner Is ‘Freaking Out’ | Oxygen

The former girlfriend of an escaped Alabama prisoner, who authorities say has threatened to kill her, is worried for her safety while her ex remains at large after allegedly being freed by a corrections official over the weekend.

www.oxygen.com

 

[SMK777]

Well...I'm going to hold my breath and share my opinion. It's only an opinion. I'm a very open-minded person, so feel free to offer up constructive objections...but please don't be mean! I think that they loved each other. (the kind only they understood, I guess) My opinion only, V.W. had some issues, but was basically a good person. In my opinion only, the crime that C.W. was convicted of, should have been considered a 'crime of passion' and also with mental issues??
Moo 75 years?!?
I mean, what kind of lawyer did he have? Not a high-priced one, surely? (I have to admit that I didn't like the part about him killing a dog, though. I love dogs!) Also the murder that he confessed to is in question. It's not proven, even. Thank you to Websleuths, and Tricia, for letting me share my opinion.

Pretty much speaking my own heart.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, it sounded like a scream. Even though this is the second time I'm listening to this audio I didn't hear VW say "Help me" to the dispatcher. I was surprised I heard that today. I guess the first time I was actually shocked to hear the recording as many people on this thread I'm sure are. Also VW said either after or before asking for help she implored the dispatcher to have the chase stopped. Unfortunately it was a very volatile situation and LE also had to be protected as well. So it was an extremely difficult situation whereby LE couldn't call off the chase either. They would be dammed if they did and be dammed if they didn't. IMO The Marshal's Service did the best they could under a very trying circumstance. Sadly I completely understand that VW was trying to get the chase to stop but by the time VW expressed this it was too late even though it was just minutes after they left the hotel. In a split second the dynamic of the chase changed into the crash. It took less than a minute to deploy the spike belt. So, sadly her need to have the chase stopped was to late by the time she verbalized it.

IMO, the 30 seconds of audible communication by VW was between VW and CW, and not the 911 dispatcher. It appears that VW is not aware the dispatcher has answered. Her calls to stop are directed at CW to stop the vehicle so they can get out and run -- and hopefully avoid the airbags going off.

The 911 audio appears to start near the end of the chase. It begins with someone saying something indiscernible, and the dispatcher saying “Evansville 911.” No one appears to address the dispatcher, who says, “911” and “hello” seemingly without being answered.

Instead, a woman’s voice — which authorities say is Vicky White’s — is heard within the first six seconds saying things including, “Stop,” and “Wait, stop … air bags going to go off and kill us.”

Twelve seconds in, a loud noise is heard — the first of at least four loud noises to happen in about 15 seconds. It’s unclear in each instance what the noises represent, and it’s unclear from the audio when the car was rammed, when it rolled over, and when a gun was fired.

“God,” the woman says after the first noise. “Air bags are going off. Let’s get out and run.” She mentions a hotel.

^^rsbm

 

[CharlestonGal]

Well...I'm going to hold my breath and share my opinion. It's only an opinion. I'm a very open-minded person, so feel free to offer up constructive objections...but please don't be mean! I think that they loved each other. (the kind only they understood, I guess) My opinion only, V.W. had some issues, but was basically a good person. In my opinion only, the crime that C.W. was convicted of, should have been considered a 'crime of passion' and also with mental issues??
Moo 75 years?!?
I mean, what kind of lawyer did he have? Not a high-priced one, surely? (I have to admit that I didn't like the part about him killing a dog, though. I love dogs!) Also the murder that he confessed to is in question. It's not proven, even. Thank you to Websleuths, and Tricia, for letting me share my opinion.

I suppose it's possible they loved each other. Who am I to say? I've never even met them, so how can I assume anything about how they felt? But whatever it was, it does not justify breaking someone out of jail and committing a bunch of felonies in the process. Even if it was "love" that's a bridge too far for me. jmo

 

[BeckyF]

DBM

 

[Seattle1]

Is it common in the U.S. for LE incident reports to be released to the public?​

Actually, it's decided more on a state-by-state basis and their respective statutes for freedom of public information.

Generally, there's an exception to releasing information including police reports, warrants, and autopsies, during ongoing investigations -- (i.e., citing protecting the integrity of the case).

Appending to my earlier post, in Indiana, the Access to Public Records Act is provided for at Indiana Code 5-14-3.

The law states Agencies have a responsibility to tell you whether the record you requested is “disclosable” or “nondisclosable.”

You have the right to view and copy all disclosable records. You do not have the right to view or copy nondisclosable records. An agency must provide the statutory basis when not disclosing all or part of a public record to you.

Some records are confidential and nondisclosed, including, but not limited to:

• Records protected by federal or state law, such as adoption or patient medical records
• Trade secrets
• Confidential financial information about a person or company

Other records may be disclosed if an agency exercises its discretion to disclose all or part of a public record, including, but not limited to:

• Investigatory records of a law enforcement agency
• Materials expressing opinions and used for decision-making
• Certain employee personnel file information

If a record contains both disclosable and nondisclosable information, the city or county agency must separate the disclosable material and make it available to you. This may be done by redacting, or blocking out, the nondisclosable information.

indy.gov

www.indy.gov

 

[Sundog]

In the officers report she was holding a black semi automatic handgun. It doesn't appear any other gun was retrieved from the inside of the car that was easily accessible. So, if there was going to be a shootout he would be driving and she would have been the one trying to kill other police officers. This is so sad. jmo.

I don't think we can conclude that it would have happened this way. CW and VW were leaving the motel for their next destination, and I assume that CW wanted to keep a firearm in the car close by, but not necessarily planning for a shoot out, otherwise I think there would be at least two firearms accessible and within reach. JMO.

ETA sorry, this post got away from me before I had finished it.

 

[Sundog]

I wonder if she called her mother on Mothers Day?

I doubt she would be in contact with her mother during the escape, as I think LE would trace the call and she knew that. I do wonder if she wrote a letter to her mother and mailed it at some point during the escape. Or maybe just a note, telling her mother that she loved her. Or maybe she didn't need to. I'm glad they were living together as mother and daughter over the last five weeks since VW sold her house, and hope her mother has fond and special memories of that time.