AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #2

[AtticusFitz]

Exactly Cmpeezy251!!
Makes RC look pretty shoddy too.....
Here's the deal: DW could give RC phone at Ollies..makes sense, RC is DNVs friend....knows where she lives, where she works....
DW doesn't: instead uses her phone (somehow) to contact JDT (lets not go into weird statments about pictures of little girls & all - sounds like he was rambling...) but doesn't say he's worried....just wants to know how to give phone back to DNV (why is JDT a better choice for this then RC, whom he knows, and who also knows DNV?)
What stops DW or RC from going to her house that day - the 18th.......what stops RC, who is DNVs friend from being the one to take the lead here: contact police....?
I admit: I don't get it.....

Don't disagree with you at all that this group of people seemed just concerned with themselves. RC IMO was the closest to DV and he did nothing and has never spoken publicly about the situation. I find it hard to believe that when DW went to Ollies that he didn't explain the phone situation to the other 2. If you were in that scenario and hearing that story wouldn't you ask where DNV was and what is the plan to return the phone as she had to work the next day? RC could have raised his hand and said I know where she lives so I will just go and drop it off. MK the other member of the group also has melted away and never spoken about the case. None of these people extended themselves to return the phone to DNV or make sure she was ok.

I think we just have to chalk it up to people looking out for number 1 and not caring about doing what might be right. Sad IMO.

 

[Nerissa]

DNV didn't leave when car 3 arrived because
1 She was expecting them
2 She knew them
3 She was incapacitated/unconscious
Those seem like the most rational explanations........

Can anyone tell me why there is, for lack of a better word, controversy, or better put I guess: doubt - as to DW possibly being car 3?
Is the CCTV that bad...car that far away...how can we know for fact it is DW....then a minute later not be able to confirm if it's the same car or not....?

Really seems odd.....frankly - don't think DW is car 3....but like to know the reasoning behind the idea that it is......TIA One of those little things - if we had the fact, could then move on from there.....

I'd sure like it if LE did go public with anyone who is cleared: sure help narrow all this down!

 

[AtticusFitz]

@ Otto: that's the rub: I have been wondering why he didn't - or he didn't say he did at any rate...seems like would be on the way home...

However - he returned that rental car, maybe that took him in a different direction/route than the one that would go by the Shell

It is believed that he returned the car at the airport.

 

[Nerissa]

@AtticusFitz.... yeah you could be right...that's why I keep wondering what exactly DW said ...it's just unfathomable to me if her own friends had this response knowing what happened

 

[Alethea]

Either he knew something shady happened or he thought she'd blown him off and would try to get her phone later. If it was the latter, maybe something about his conversation with TT/JDT made him feel like something wasn't right. If we look at the timeline- He called JDT at 7:30 AM on 7/18- downplayed it or not depending on whether the story about him being a regular is true. After 7:30, but before 12- he calls back to tell her TT called and he was concerned about DV. Comments about him not having taken the phone to PF Changs as instructed have floated around, but depending on what time he called her the 2nd time- PF Changs doesn't even open until 11, so he couldn't have taken it even if he wanted to until at least then. So, was something said that caused him to be concerned?

I am a few pages behind so excuse me if we already talked about this. Snipped and BBM. Why would TT be worried about DNV the morning after (between 7:30am and 12pm) if JDT said it was normal for DNV to be out of touch for a few days and didn't even report her missing until Friday? Why wouldn't TT assume DNV was sleeping in after a big night out (or whatever) like everyone else seemed to?

 

[AtticusFitz]

DNV didn't leave when car 3 arrived because
1 She was expecting them
2 She knew them
3 She was incapacitated/unconscious
Those seem like the most rational explanations........

Can anyone tell me why there is, for lack of a better word, controversy, or better put I guess: doubt - as to DW possibly being car 3?
Is the CCTV that bad...car that far away...how can we know for fact it is DW....then a minute later not be able to confirm if it's the same car or not....?

Really seems odd.....frankly - don't think DW is car 3....but like to know the reasoning behind the idea that it is......TIA One of those little things - if we had the fact, could then move on from there.....

I'd sure like it if LE did go public with anyone who is cleared: sure help narrow all this down!

Frankly at this point the entire story about DW being Car 3 would be to add more smoke and mirrors to an already convoluted story and take the eye off of who was really important here, namely the people in Car 3 whose job it was to disable the GPS.

 

[Alethea]

Right and HE called JDT, how did he know to call her? I haven't read anywhere that JDT called DNV and she did not answer giving him the opportunity just to call the missed call back.

This is pure speculation but maybe JDT is in her phone as "Mom Julie" or something like that. Also, we have been assuming that DW and DNV were not friends, but they are friends on Facebook. Maybe DNV told him at some point that her daughter lives with her ex's mom so he would know who is the "responsible adult" in DNV's life and called JDT.

In college I found someone's phone (granted a flip phone) and called the contact that said "Mom" to ask who's phone this was. It doesn't seem odd to me that DW would do that too. JMO

 

[cedgison]

I’m sorry I’ve been away all day; I’ve had some personal & work things going on today; however, I am going to attempt to catch up.

Before I do, JDT met with the Detective today and I want to share a few things from that meeting with you. These were confirmed to JDT by the Detective:

• New leads still come in and are investigated. Old leads are being re-investigated.
• DW, RC & MK are cooperating with Le and, any time they’ve been asked to come in for questioning, they’ve done so.
• DNV’s apartment was cleared, was not a crime scene nor did it have anything to do with her disappearance.
• Per the Detective (and, admittedly, I don’t believe this), there are only 3 cars/people in the surveillance video.

 

[Nerissa]

Alethea...from what I understand: TT called DNV's phone.....DW answers and basically gets him up to date (again sure wish I knew what exactly DW said!)....TT is immediately worried

 

[Alethea]

DW could have lied about all of it. We don’t know what he said was the truth. And I would think if he’s been cleared, he would want the public to know about it. I would! I think he’s the key to this puzzle. Hopefully LE are starting to figure it out.

I think our view - as people very invested in DNV and getting justice for her - is tainted. DW has not been named by the media in any way, shape or form. We only know his initials because JDT posted it on FB. None of the media outlets have released anything about the friends she was with. I don't see any reason for him to speak up. For all we know, he could have taken polygraph and LE could consider him cleared. We just don't know.

IMO the fact that he is not involving himself in any way makes him less suspicious to me. The people who inject themselves in cases are often the ones you have to worry about.

 

[Nerissa]

Yes @ the smoke & mirrors....why I'd so much like to just know as FACT that it isn't DW....so little facts....

 

[AtticusFitz]

I am a few pages behind so excuse me if we already talked about this. Snipped and BBM. Why would TT be worried about DNV the morning after (between 7:30am and 12pm) if JDT said it was normal for DNV to be out of touch for a few days and didn't even report her missing until Friday? Why wouldn't TT assume DNV was sleeping in after a big night out (or whatever) like everyone else seemed to?

The TT being worried call could be the beginning of the entire missing story kicking off. Logic would say in the normal course he wouldn't be worried. But you need some way to get the story going and maybe this was the way that happened? Initially I was wondering why the phone was left at Dublins on the back of a car. But maybe it was put their intentionally? Burner phones are easy to acquire or maybe she had a second phone already set up. If she didn't have cash on hand she would have needed her phone to pay for things for a period of time to use online banking, venmo etc. Maybe she had 2 phones and had simply transferred her banking to new phone so did have access to cash to go missing? So, leaving one phone behind made it truly look like she didn't have a way to contact anyone. Family delay in reporting the missing to Friday gave her a huge leap to get far away. Its an interesting theory I think.

 

[cedgison]

Also, per the Detective, the disabled GPS system was not a LoJack. It was the one that comes on the car from the manufacturer.

I have pulled up the Owners Manual for DNVs car and this system is a fuse inside of a fuse panel to the left of the steering wheel. It’s the same fuse that controls OnStar (even if she didn’t have OnStar active, it still sends/receives signals).

 

[Nerissa]

cedgison, thanks!!
So when you say three cars (ie totally different distinct cars) and three people...
So car 1 DNV (no one else in car)
car 2 DW (no one else in car)
car 3 ? only one person
TIA!

 

[otto]

@ Otto: that's the rub: I have been wondering why he didn't - or he didn't say he did at any rate...seems like would be on the way home...

However - he returned that rental car, maybe that took him in a different direction/route than the one that would go by the Shell

If he returned to the Shell station to look for Danni after he left Ollies, it will be on CCTV footage. Either way, we know her car left the Shell station at 11:24PM.

Although I don't know how to confirm this, I have read here that the cars entered the Shell station from the right, and that Danni's car and Car 3 turned left at 11:24. That may mean something in terms of where they were headed - anyone local know whether this means anything?

I was very interested to learn that access to the Shell station is via a service road rather than the interstate, so anyone who was in the area at 11:08 would have been on the service road as well even though businesses were closed.

The long shot possibility is that two strangers in a random vehicle saw DW and Danni at the Shell station and decided to interact with them, but DW pulled out just as Car 3 pulled in and so Danni became a victim of random strangers who happened to be looking for a crime of opportunity that evening. The only unusual point is that they knew to disable the GPS (OnStar is what was first posted on Thread 1). Maybe this is something that all car thieves know?

 

[AtticusFitz]

This is pure speculation but maybe JDT is in her phone as "Mom Julie" or something like that. Also, we have been assuming that DW and DNV were not friends, but they are friends on Facebook. Maybe DNV told him at some point that her daughter lives with her ex's mom so he would know who is the "responsible adult" in DNV's life and called JDT.

In college I found someone's phone (granted a flip phone) and called the contact that said "Mom" to ask who's phone this was. It doesn't seem odd to me that DW would do that too. JMO

DW was known to DNV and had partied together in the past and knew each other from her work as a server and bartender. IMO DW just seems like an older guy with some cash that likes to party with pretty young women. JMO BTW.

 

[Nerissa]

cedgison - any clue to if anyone at any time got in/out of their cars....?
Is it possible occupant of car 3 could go to DNV car & dismantle GPS without her knowledge? (someone said that it is easy to dismantle, it's under steering wheel)

 

[otto]

DNV didn't leave when car 3 arrived because
1 She was expecting them
2 She knew them
3 She was incapacitated/unconscious
Those seem like the most rational explanations........

Can anyone tell me why there is, for lack of a better word, controversy, or better put I guess: doubt - as to DW possibly being car 3?
Is the CCTV that bad...car that far away...how can we know for fact it is DW....then a minute later not be able to confirm if it's the same car or not....?

Really seems odd.....frankly - don't think DW is car 3....but like to know the reasoning behind the idea that it is......TIA One of those little things - if we had the fact, could then move on from there.....

I'd sure like it if LE did go public with anyone who is cleared: sure help narrow all this down!

If you read page 41 of thread 1, that is where the theory is introduced that DW is Car 1 and Car 3. There doesn't seem to be any reason for this speculation.

 

[Nerissa]

Sometimes think that DW didn't go back to Shell and decided to return rental because he was afraid occupant(s) of car might have seen him....& at this point he knows something happened to DNV & he's freaked a bit out by it....if he went back there, they might be looking for him......
from what cedgison says (though says doesn't believe LE - not sure why...) there is one person per car.....so: no one to drive DNVs car....they might disable GPS but then....she'd have to willingly follow their car/directions (which would be nuts)

 

[Alethea]

I think our view - as people very invested in DNV and getting justice for her - is tainted. DW has not been named by the media in any way, shape or form. We only know his initials because JDT posted it on FB. None of the media outlets have released anything about the friends she was with. I don't see any reason for him to speak up. For all we know, he could have taken polygraph and LE could consider him cleared. We just don't know.

IMO the fact that he is not involving himself in any way makes him less suspicious to me. The people who inject themselves in cases are often the ones you have to worry about.

To add, I have never advised a client to talk to the media. I have given statements on a client's behalf in very carefully scripted and orchestrated cases. But it is almost never worth it. You just open yourself up to busybodies on Facebook who don't understand even the basics of law or investigative work calling your client's second-cousins. My default position is cooperate fully with LE and not at all with the press unless there's a compelling reason why and I feel like I can control the narrative.

 

[AtticusFitz]

The long shot possibility is that two strangers in a random vehicle saw DW and Danni at the Shell station and decided to interact with them, but DW pulled out just as Car 3 pulled in and so Danni became a victim of random strangers who happened to be looking for a crime of opportunity that evening. The only unusual point is that they knew to disable the GPS (OnStar is what was first posted on Thread 1). Maybe this is something that all car thieves know?

We talked about this the other night and I guess I'm still confused. If DNV didn't know Car 3 or wasn't expecting them wouldn't it make sense to leave quickly as that would be the typical stranger danger scenario and instinct would be to flee? DNV didn't leave quickly but stayed. If nobody got out of their car to immobilize DNV in this scenario then why did she stay in a dark lot with a car she supposedly didn't know? I hadn't read about Pearl using a kill switch to immobilize a car but could Car 3 have known about GPS and kill switch? To us looking at the scenario it could have looked like she was sitting there calmly with Car 3 when the reality was that her car was unable to start due to kill switch making that impossible. IDK. I wish someone local that had purchased from Pearl knew whether they used by GPS and kill switch.