AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[Cmpeezy251]

IMO, the dealer would not have access to on star info. But they would have access to a finance related gps kill switch type system. It appears that is what Pearl Motors does with the low credit customers.

I still think it's odd that the car was near Pearl motors when the GPS stopped sending a signal.

If she was financing the vehicle they still technically own the vehicle.

 

[adot0902]

Whether if you believe it or not, there was in fact GPS on her car. I'm not sure why this is such a sticking point for you, regardless if the GPS was on or off, it is obviously not working now and her last known whereabouts is the Shell Station.

All in all it makes no difference at this point.

It's such a "sticking point" for me, because people are trying to say her GPS was disabled or destroyed!!!!!! That isn't a huge red flag, when there is absolutely zero evidence that ever happened??? It makes a huge difference. It's little things like this that matter, I don't know if you followed MT's case, but one video from one neighbor pretty much solved the whole case, so we need the truth on the GPS. How is this not an issue to people, we were told repeatedly someone disrupted in some way her GPS, one of our lovely members even messed up her onstar trying to disable it, it MATTERS and it matters a lot! Now we find out the GPS pinged for the last time at Shell, nothing more, nothing about it being disabled or destroyed.

 

[Keyedin]

If she was financing the vehicle they still technically own the vehicle.

I still think that the dealer would be limited on the information available through OnStar due to privacy concerns after reading the article about OnStar's new privacy policy or whatever. I think that they would have installed an aftermarket GPS for their use.

 

[3dzer0]

It's such a "sticking point" for me, because people are trying to say her GPS was disabled or destroyed!!!!!! That isn't a huge red flag, when there is absolutely zero evidence that ever happened??? It makes a huge difference. It's little things like this that matter, I don't know if you followed MT's case, but one video from one neighbor pretty much solved the whole case, so we need the truth on the GPS. How is this not an issue to people, we were told repeatedly someone disrupted in some way her GPS, one of our lovely members even messed up her onstar trying to disable it, it MATTERS and it matters a lot! Now we find out the GPS pinged for the last time at Shell, nothing more, nothing about it being disabled or destroyed.

Yes it last pinged at the Shell station. So that only leaves 3 options for why it stopped pinging.

1. DNV disabled it herself so she wouldn't be tracked
2. Someone else disabled it so the car or DNV couldn't be tracked
3. The GPS system had a failure and stopped working.

No one knows what happened at that shell station, the police have no idea why the GPS stopped working. But it did stop pinging or LE would have the car already.

This isn't a case where a girl was jogging down a specific route in a small town. We are dealing with a girl with a car that could have ended up anywhere in the US, Canada or Mexico. This isn't just that easy.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

It's such a "sticking point" for me, because people are trying to say her GPS was disabled or destroyed!!!!!! That isn't a huge red flag, when there is absolutely zero evidence that ever happened??? It makes a huge difference. It's little things like this that matter, I don't know if you followed MT's case, but one video from one neighbor pretty much solved the whole case, so we need the truth on the GPS. How is this not an issue to people, we were told repeatedly someone disrupted in some way her GPS, one of our lovely members even messed up her onstar trying to disable it, it MATTERS and it matters a lot! Now we find out the GPS pinged for the last time at Shell, nothing more, nothing about it being disabled or destroyed.

For me it is a matter of likelihood. @Alethea pointed out it would be quite a coincidence if DNV's GPS malfunctioned around the same time she disappeared. Not saying this is impossible, just saying it is unlikely. I am not a detective but I try to think of what makes the most sense when you look at the different options. So for me it seems more likely the GPS was purposefully disabled. The question for me is who did this.

 

[AtticusFitz]

What lead is there to support the claim that Danni drove to a closed Shell station to disable her GPS and buy pot?

Where does the "parted ways" come from?

The “parted ways” comments is one of a long series of non LE substantiated comments from FB. These statements are peppered into WA

Was there not statement that LE had her on video from some homes along the way?

Just got home from another Tuesday night out and about in Mobile (it is now 12:53 AM Mobile time). Plenty of people on the road on Hwy 90/Government Blvd in the area that she was last seen (tonight at least). Where are you, DNV?

Thanks for the on the ground reporting! Makes such a huge difference to those that are far far away from Mobile. Your observation was so interesting as when I first looked at the google maps and did a drive based on the business nature of the area I wouldn't have expected it to have much traffic outside of business hours.

 

[MingyMoo]

Really curious- what thoughts are going through everyone's minds? Relieved it wasn't her car? Disappointed it wasn't her car?
My mind is going in every direction. Obviously, we'd all love to see DNV found alive, but this not knowing is so painful. My stomach is in knots. I REALLY thought it was going to be her car especially since I do think her car is underwater/wrecked somewhere.

Relieved it wasn't Daniella or her Car. What more can be said?

 

[Mauig’ma]

It's such a "sticking point" for me, because people are trying to say her GPS was disabled or destroyed!!!!!! That isn't a huge red flag, when there is absolutely zero evidence that ever happened??? It makes a huge difference. It's little things like this that matter, I don't know if you followed MT's case, but one video from one neighbor pretty much solved the whole case, so we need the truth on the GPS. How is this not an issue to people, we were told repeatedly someone disrupted in some way her GPS, one of our lovely members even messed up her onstar trying to disable it, it MATTERS and it matters a lot! Now we find out the GPS pinged for the last time at Shell, nothing more, nothing about it being disabled or destroyed.

I completely agree it matters

 

[CabinFever]

TT, according to himself in a FB message he sent to a friend, was in jail.

Please, why don't you just ask what jail he was in? That would really clear up a whole lot here and we could move on possibly being more productive.

 

[otto]

We’ve been told her car has onstar, correct? So I’m assuming it’s not a device that was added to the vehicle upon purchase. The vehicle already has onstar (on rear view mirror)and was just gps activated?

It doesn't matter whether there is a subscription or not, as long as the GPS has not been disabled or damaged, the GPS can be tracked.

 

[MingyMoo]

To be perfectly honest none of us knows the history of DNV or the relationships she has with either her own Mother or her Ex-Boyfriends Mother. We don't know the Dynamics we don't know anything historical about this relationship. Any differences are obviously for JV & JDT to resolve or not as the case may be.

That they can't even come together for the benefit of a missing Mother of a joint Grand Child net alone the missing Mother DNV herself is so very sad. Having said that there may be perfectly legitimate reasons, once again that we are unaware of

We don't know the story behind this rationale. LE possibly do and most certainly Mother and JDT do. I suspect LE will be communicating with the official Next Of Kin to DNV whoever that may be.

As always hoping for the best outcome.

Mingy

 

[AtticusFitz]

It's such a "sticking point" for me, because people are trying to say her GPS was disabled or destroyed!!!!!! That isn't a huge red flag, when there is absolutely zero evidence that ever happened??? It makes a huge difference. It's little things like this that matter, I don't know if you followed MT's case, but one video from one neighbor pretty much solved the whole case, so we need the truth on the GPS. How is this not an issue to people, we were told repeatedly someone disrupted in some way her GPS, one of our lovely members even messed up her onstar trying to disable it, it MATTERS and it matters a lot! Now we find out the GPS pinged for the last time at Shell, nothing more, nothing about it being disabled or destroyed.

@adot0902, I'm trying to understand your point better about the GPS as I'm a bit confused. You are saying that the GPS pinged for the last time at the Shell station. Right? Is your point that we simply don't know what happened to the GPS at the Shell station or even after the Shell station? Or is your issue that we don't know which system was pinged? Is what is bothering you all the various assumptions that have been made in thread 2 and 3 as to what could have happened to the GPS at the Shell station?

There are many problematic issues with the GPS issue in general. IMO the most basic is which GPS system are we talking about? In my mind the only thing we know for sure is that OnStar was factory installed on her car. Whether it was activated we don't know but the Pearl website and the GM website talks about 6 months of free service for used car purchases. But, even if the OnStar wasn't activated by Pearl/DNV the possibility exists that LE working with OnStar might have been able to access the OnStar system to confirm the ping location that was supposedly made by Pearl Motors.

Even though we have the Pearl Motors statement about the ping as reported in MSM we don't know if Pearl installed another system to track the car as this question was never asked by MSM and LE never articulated which system was pinged in order to get the last location as being the Shell station. In thread 2 I mentioned looking at many comments by Pearl Motors customers about GPS that was added to their car to track it for repo purposes (so, it seemed a reasonable assumption to think that Pearl added a system to DNV car but we never knew anything had been added based on a LE statement). We also never knew if Pearl Motors installed a separate system to track DNV car as it had OnStar.

This entire discussion was frankly quite frustrating as it would be quite easy to simply pick up the phone and call Pearl Motors and ask about the GPS system. As far as I know this was never done by JDT/FB Group and we simply got a series of random statements about GPS/LoJack (I tremble as I type this word as it was a huge waste of time IMO)/OnStar. IMO the entire GPS question could have been resolved weeks ago but along with so many other basic facts we simply have the very basic statement from LE about the last ping location as the rest of the GPS comments were frankly not usable.

It seems like post-Shell station we sadly don't have much info: Even though we have MSM reporter that saw the video say that DNV left driving from the Shell station we have no LE confirmation of this fact and LE stated that 3500 Block of Government Blvd was where DNV was last seen. I cannot enter the fray on discussion of FB comments about additional information of DNV direction heading toward midtown/downtown etc. as there is no LE confirmation and so falls in the category of a waste of our time IMO.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I still think that the dealer would be limited on the information available through OnStar due to privacy concerns after reading the article about OnStar's new privacy policy or whatever. I think that they would have installed an aftermarket GPS for their use.

I think alot of us here made the assumption that the aftermarket box was installed by Pearl but we have no LE confirmation of this fact unfortunately. We just have the statement that the last known location was the Shell station.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Sorry, major systems issues posting this afternoon via phone so entire post was a chopped mess.

The “parted ways” comment is one of a long series of non LE substantiated comments from FB. These statements are peppered into WS to shift the narrative here based on whatever the FB story of the day might happen to be. I won't enter the fray on such speculative comments and will wait (highly impatiently) for LE confirmation of any post Shell station locations.

Lulajo said: ↑
Was there not statement that LE had her on video from some homes along the way?

To my knowledge LE hasn't said anything about any additional CCTV located or what it might show about DNV path post Shell station. Anything about post-Shell station is pure speculation IMO.

 

[MingyMoo]

[/QUOTE]they collect the phone together, and they continue with whatever plan they had.[/QUOTE]

If that is the Case DNV would have her phone.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

For me it is a matter of likelihood. @Alethea pointed out it would be quite a coincidence if DNV's GPS malfunctioned around the same time she disappeared. Not saying this is impossible, just saying it is unlikely. I am not a detective but I try to think of what makes the most sense when you look at the different options. So for me it seems more likely the GPS was purposefully disabled. The question for me is who did this.

I am going to quote my own post because I think it is important to point out that if (hypothetically) it was DNV’s phone, Fitbit, iWatch that last pinged at the Shell Station we could agree the phone was shut off or destroyed. Because it was DNV’s car gps does not make it any different. A last ping is a last ping.

Also, the LE blog states last seen the 3500 block of Government Blvd, the Shell is 3550 Government Blvd. If we trust LE has told Family DNV (which IMOO seems unlikely) was seen parting ways with car 3 it had to be at the Shell Station. Otherwise in my opinion the LE blog might say last seen at the intersections of such and such streets or another block of Government Blvd or another street all together. Anyway not sure why I added the last bit. I have been thinking about it so just typed away!!

 

[MingyMoo]

Why is the GPS disabled at the Shell station?

So as the car is not tracked!

 

[Keyedin]

"How can I cancel my OnStar service?" If at any time you wish to cancel your OnStar service, push your blue button to speak with an Advisor or call. You cannot cancel your service online. If you let your service plan expire or choose to cancel it, your OnStar system will be deactivated. All services- including Automatic Crash Response and Emergency Services- will be shut off. Your vehicle won't be able to connect with us for help, even in a crash.

May 2018- Privacy Statement
"Key Points About Our Information Practices" We may collect information about you and your accounts with us, such as your name and address. And when our connected vehicle products and services are active, we may collect information about your vehicle, including diagnostics, use, and vehicle location. We may also collect various types of information about you from dealers and others who provide information to us.

"Information We May Collect" We may collect the following information through your use of the products and services, including when you operate or travel in a vehicle that has active products or services, and otherwise with your consent. We may also collect your information from GM dealers, licensees, partners, service providers, and independent third party sources....

User Terms
6. Your Right to Cancel the Services at any Time. Your Right to Cancel the Services at any Time. This Agreement applies from the date of your acceptance until the Services are cancelled or terminated by You or us as permitted in this Agreement. You may cancel the Services at any time. To cancel the Services, You may call us at 1-888-4-OnStar or You may press the blue OnStar button in your Vehicle and inform the advisor that You want to cancel the Service. You must also contact us in this manner if You wish to sell or transfer your Vehicle. We will refund any unused whole months and remaining days of Services that You have paid in advance unless (a) the payment was included in the purchase or lease price of your Vehicle or (b) the terms of the applicable Services (or the applicable Third Party Services) dictate otherwise. You won't be entitled to any other refunds for the Services. If You cancel the Services and later wish to reactivate the Services, You may be required to pay reactivation fees. You can also call us at 1-888-4-OnStar or press the blue OnStar button in your Vehicle at any time to get instructions on how to disable the Services in your Vehicle.

15.2 The Services are only available in places where we have retained a Wireless Service Provider for Service in that area and only if the Wireless Service Provider has technical compatibility with the Connected Device, coverage, network capacity, and reception when and where the Service is needed. Services that use location information about your Vehicle only work if GPS satellite signals are unobstructed, available in that place and compatible with your Vehicle systems. Any stolen vehicle assistance services that may be included with the Services are solely intended to provide assistance in notifying You or authorities of potential theft and to potentially aid in vehicle recovery. These Services do not prevent vehicle or vehicle content theft or protect against damage or loss. We are not responsible for any losses or other harm You may incur in connection with vehicle theft.

15.3 YOUR VEHICLE MUST HAVE A WORKING ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (INCLUDING ADEQUATE BATTERY POWER) FOR THE SERVICES TO OPERATE.

15.4 The Services may not work if: ...other problems arise that we cannot control that interfere with the delivery or quality of the Services, such as hills, tall buildings, tunnels, weather, electrical system design and architecture of your Vehicle, damage to important parts of your Vehicle in an accident, or wireless phone network congestion or jamming.

 

[cedgison]

"How can I cancel my OnStar service?" If at any time you wish to cancel your OnStar service, push your blue button to speak with an Advisor or call. You cannot cancel your service online. If you let your service plan expire or choose to cancel it, your OnStar system will be deactivated. All services- including Automatic Crash Response and Emergency Services- will be shut off. Your vehicle won't be able to connect with us for help, even in a crash.

May 2018- Privacy Statement
"Key Points About Our Information Practices" We may collect information about you and your accounts with us, such as your name and address. And when our connected vehicle products and services are active, we may collect information about your vehicle, including diagnostics, use, and vehicle location. We may also collect various types of information about you from dealers and others who provide information to us.

"Information We May Collect" We may collect the following information through your use of the products and services, including when you operate or travel in a vehicle that has active products or services, and otherwise with your consent. We may also collect your information from GM dealers, licensees, partners, service providers, and independent third party sources....

User Terms
6. Your Right to Cancel the Services at any Time. Your Right to Cancel the Services at any Time. This Agreement applies from the date of your acceptance until the Services are cancelled or terminated by You or us as permitted in this Agreement. You may cancel the Services at any time. To cancel the Services, You may call us at 1-888-4-OnStar or You may press the blue OnStar button in your Vehicle and inform the advisor that You want to cancel the Service. You must also contact us in this manner if You wish to sell or transfer your Vehicle. We will refund any unused whole months and remaining days of Services that You have paid in advance unless (a) the payment was included in the purchase or lease price of your Vehicle or (b) the terms of the applicable Services (or the applicable Third Party Services) dictate otherwise. You won't be entitled to any other refunds for the Services. If You cancel the Services and later wish to reactivate the Services, You may be required to pay reactivation fees. You can also call us at 1-888-4-OnStar or press the blue OnStar button in your Vehicle at any time to get instructions on how to disable the Services in your Vehicle.

15.2 The Services are only available in places where we have retained a Wireless Service Provider for Service in that area and only if the Wireless Service Provider has technical compatibility with the Connected Device, coverage, network capacity, and reception when and where the Service is needed. Services that use location information about your Vehicle only work if GPS satellite signals are unobstructed, available in that place and compatible with your Vehicle systems. Any stolen vehicle assistance services that may be included with the Services are solely intended to provide assistance in notifying You or authorities of potential theft and to potentially aid in vehicle recovery. These Services do not prevent vehicle or vehicle content theft or protect against damage or loss. We are not responsible for any losses or other harm You may incur in connection with vehicle theft.

15.3 YOUR VEHICLE MUST HAVE A WORKING ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (INCLUDING ADEQUATE BATTERY POWER) FOR THE SERVICES TO OPERATE.

15.4 The Services may not work if: ...other problems arise that we cannot control that interfere with the delivery or quality of the Services, such as hills, tall buildings, tunnels, weather, electrical system design and architecture of your Vehicle, damage to important parts of your Vehicle in an accident, or wireless phone network congestion or jamming.

15.2 says what I’ve said multiple times - Regardless of if there’s an active OnStar subscription, location info is still sent.

 

[otto]

15.2 says what I’ve said multiple times - Regardless of if there’s an active OnStar subscription, location info is still sent.

Exactly! The only reason that the GPS stopped transmitting at the Shell station is if it was deliberately disabled or damaged. The only way that Car 3 is innocent is if Car 3 has come forward to explain why Danni's GPS was stopped transmitting at the Shell station and why she decided to disappear at 11:24PM.

 

[cedgison]

15.2 says what I’ve said multiple times - Regardless of if there’s an active OnStar subscription, location info is still sent.

To add to that, OnStar is controlled by a fuse to the left of the steering wheel. So, if it were the OnStar location info that was disabled, that fuse was removed.