AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[Alethea]

Where did the 10:45 time come from? I know it was stated RC called DNV at 10:45, she didn't answer, so he just went straight to Ollie's once he got off work. I may have missed it in terms of DW/DNV leaving though. Which does make me wonder, if they weren't at Dublins at 10:45, what time did they actually leave? That could be a pretty big gap. Since she didn't answer and didn't call back, it makes sense they'd already left and she no longer had her phone. If she had just not heard it, wouldn't she have called him back?

I actually think this is a good question. We know they are on CCTV at the Shell Station at 11:05. RC says he called DNV at 10:45 and she did not answer. I think that implies that by 10:45 at the latest, DW and DNV left Dublin's. But did they leave earlier? Could they have stopped somewhere before the Shell Station?

We only know that JDT said DW said DW and DNV went from Dublin's to the Shell Station. Would DW have told JDT while standing in a police station that they stopped along the way to buy pot? Is that something you would volunteer to a missing person's ex's mother? I don't know.

Personally, I don't doubt the accuracy of DW's purported statement. But I do doubt if it is complete as told to JDT. LE will likely be able to test the veracity of his statements with phone pings and GPS evidence. They likely also have more CCTV.

 

[AtticusFitz]

10:45 is the time that Danni and DW left The Dublin.

At some point shouldn't we accept some information as true? Should we turn ourselves into pretzels to justify why we should doubt the information we have?

I think its a tough call on how much time to spend on and what to do with the 'timeline' as it seems to have come from various sources including people that LE has never mentioned or cleared and it was given to other people who LE has not cleared and who have a spotty record with statement consistency. Any of these individuals could be suspects or not? I realize its what we have to work with but at best these statements are 2nd or 3rd hand and unverified by LE. I think what people have done here by putting up the timeline statements and isolating each piece of the timeline makes some sense as does probablly mapping it all out to see if it holds together from a practical standpoint but beyond that I'm not sure its adding much. Curious what others think.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Look at the conference I referenced in my post earlier today and see if that's the one you were thinking of.

Example of inconsistency just today (and why using private SM groups as a fact isn't allowed) JDT has stated numerous times that they have been cleared by LE only to say today that everyone is a suspect. Im not saying she's a liar, maybe she's misunderstood the previous information given, but it still stands that there is unreliable information out there.

I will go back and look at your post about the Chief. I personally gave up on the information from Closed FB groups a few weeks ago as it was like an ever changing story with absolutely zero investigative work being done to verify anything. The Pearl Motors situation is a classic example of the issue with the GPS and even what time DNV was dropped off by JDT. I personally can't give this never ending game of telephone any more time. These people might be well intentioned but I think they just want to PM on FB rather than pick up the phone and make some calls, look for the car, check hospitals and conduct some searches IMO. People here have the interest of the missing victim in their hearts and so will work hard and this is wonderful but if the quality of the underlying data is questionable then what are we doing? Does work done on questionable data have value and could it help find DNV?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I think its a tough call on how much time to spend on and what to do with the 'timeline' as it seems to have come from various sources including people that LE has never mentioned or cleared and it was given to other people who LE has not cleared and who have a spotty record with statement consistency. Any of these individuals could be suspects or not? I realize its what we have to work with but at best these statements are 2nd or 3rd hand and unverified by LE. I think what people have done here by putting up the timeline statements and isolating each piece of the timeline makes some sense as does probablly mapping it all out to see if it holds together from a practical standpoint but beyond that I'm not sure its adding much. Curious what others think.

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I could be wrong but although DW's story was relayed by JDT, she seems to be consistent with the content. She said he was inconsistent once, first he was going to Ollies and then he was going home, but the story she claims he told her has been very consistent. There have been add one from other sources but nothing additional told to her by DW. Which is much different than the information she shared about TT and her family. Which constantly changes. Unless I am wrong and missed something along the way.

 

[Alethea]

It's so weird to see Brittney Wood's mother pretending to be a missing person's advocate when she plead guilty to facilitating child rape herself. What is going on? Brittney Wood's mother pleads guilty in child sex ring case

 

[otto]

Is there any proof that Danni was at the Shell station?

Since we've decided that DW is not truthful, and that his statement that Danni was driving her car when they arrived at the Shell station is not valid, we should also doubt that Danni was at the Shell station. He's the only witness to that, but if we can't believe him, she was never at the Shell station.

Except - police have said that she was at the Shell station, so clearly they believe DW.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Is there any proof that Danni was at the Shell station?

Since we've decided that DW is not truthful, and that his statement that Danni was driving her car when they arrived at the Shell station is not valid, we should also doubt that Danni was at the Shell station. He's the only witness to that, but if we can't believe him, she was never at the Shell station.

Except - police have said that she was at the Shell station, so clearly they believe DW.

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I agree. We have to believe DW was at the Shell with DNV. He was the first person to place her there and would LE have looked at the CCTV there if someone did not say she was there? That someone was DW. IMHO.

 

[AtticusFitz]

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I could be wrong but although DW's story was relayed by JDT, she seems to be consistent with the content. She said he was inconsistent once, first he was going to Ollies and then he was going home, but the story she claims he told her has been very consistent. There have been add one from other sources but nothing additional told to her by DW. Which is much different than the information she shared about TT and her family. Which constantly changes. Unless I am wrong and missed something along the way.

I actually like and agree and your idea of splitting JDT comments related to the timeline vs JDT comments related to her family. The might make alot of sense because we haven't seen the revisions to timeline statments that we have seen on family related topics and it might also be a way to get comfortable using information that for lack of a better word came together via a long and winding road!

 

[otto]

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I agree. We have to believe DW was at the Shell with DNV. He was the first person to place her there and would LE have looked at the CCTV there if someone did not say she was there? That someone was DW. IMHO.

It seems that either we believe DW or we don't, but it seems odd that we believe him when it is convenient, and otherwise we doubt him.

The only witness to Danni driving her car to the Shell station is DW. Why would we believe that she was not driving but she was at the Shell station?

 

[AtticusFitz]

Is there any proof that Danni was at the Shell station?

Since we've decided that DW is not truthful, and that his statement that Danni was driving her car when they arrived at the Shell station is not valid, we should also doubt that Danni was at the Shell station. He's the only witness to that, but if we can't believe him, she was never at the Shell station.

Except - police have said that she was at the Shell station, so clearly they believe DW.

I vote for DNV at the Shell station based on Chief statement in PC of DNV last location. Unclear whether she was a passenger or a driver but based on Chief language they believe this is last DNV location. Mobile Police offer reward for info on missing Mobile woman

I just listened to the Police Chief PC again and every time I listen something new hits me. He was clear that MPD had exhausted all their leads and has had their best investigators on the case but because of the lack of leads that is why he was engaging the press and public in the press conference. Why he would say this and release no pictures or video or drawings of cars at scene continues to baffle me. Any ideas?

But, this time what hit me was that at one point he was having a dialog with the missing DNV and said that no matter what she was going through the Chief said that he/Police can help her through this process whatever she is going through (segment starts right after 21:43 and around 5:40 from end point of video).

The next question point blank asked the Chief about 'foul play' and he was quite clear that there was nothing that suggests he needs to think about foul play at this time.

No answer about debit/credit card question from reporter due to ongoing investigation.

Reward is from Police Department and supported by CrimeStoppers.

Question: Did you think she has left of her own free will? The Chief then asks that she/DNV or whomever has seen her or that may be associated with her disappearance or if they hear or see this or someone knows anything that we haven't investigated yet to come forward and contact us. Chief point blank states: I don't know if she has left of her own free will.

Question: Cell phone question. No information will be shared due to investigation.

Reporter brings up that last night in Pritchard there was another robbery of a convenienve store and an 18 year old is in custody. Reporter asked if Chief were aware of this arrest and Chief said yes and then went on to say that as soon as Pritchard finishes its investigation that MPD has some questions that would like to ask the person that was arrested. When we get opportunity to interview this person we will.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

It seems that either we believe DW or we don't, but it seems odd that we believe him when it is convenient, and otherwise we doubt him.

The only witness to Danni driving her car to the Shell station is DW. Why would we believe that she was not driving but she was at the Shell station?

Yes I agree, things have appeared to go back to DW. I think from FB static but I do believe his story, which I am sure there is more we do not know but LE does. In the very beginning I thought something was amiss, but than you @otto raised some very clear points and I think that although we do not know where DNV and DW were headed we do know they left Dublin at the same time, arrived at the Shell Station within a minute of each other, DW left, car 3 arrived and then DNV (whether she was driving or not) and car 3 left. DNV and her car have disappeared.

 

[Keyedin]

It seems that either we believe DW or we don't, but it seems odd that we believe him when it is convenient, and otherwise we doubt him.

The only witness to Danni driving her car to the Shell station is DW. Why would we believe that she was not driving but she was at the Shell station?

I didn't say he wasn't believable. I said the only version of his story has come from unreliable sources of information given the inconsistencies previously stated. We have members here who saw the surveillance, i wish i had but I haven't, and it was said they didn't see anyone out of the vehicles. If the ones who saw the video are right then it can't be true that the last time he saw her she was getting into her vehicle to return to Dublins. His statement as told says they left in separate vehicles, did it say they left alone in separate vehicles? If in fact what RC says is true then I agree with @Alethea- 10:45 is the latest they left, so there was time to stop between the two places if they left earlier.

 

[otto]

I didn't say he wasn't believable. I said the only version of his story has come from unreliable sources of information given the inconsistencies previously stated. We have members here who saw the surveillance, i wish i had but I haven't, and it was said they didn't see anyone out of the vehicles. If the ones who saw the video are right then it can't be true that the last time he saw her she was getting into her vehicle to return to Dublins. His statement as told says they left in separate vehicles, did it say they left alone in separate vehicles? If in fact what RC says is true then I agree with @Alethea- 10:45 is the latest they left, so there was time to stop between the two places if they left earlier.

I do believe that the CCTV footage is not clear enough to identify people or the make and model of the cars.

 

[Keyedin]

And, if in fact no one got out of the vehicles, that leaves two options DNV knew how to disable the GPS OR someone else was in the car. An earlier theory suggested DNV was either incapacitated, which was why the phone was in the parking lot, or possibly not in the state of mind to drive herself. Either of which means someone else drove her car there. I don't dispute she was at the shell station, I don't dispute her car followed DW to the gas station, and I don't dispute that he went back to retrieve her phone. What I do dispute is the timeline previously given by any inconsistent witnesses and whether she was actually the driver of her car.

 

[Alethea]

I didn't say he wasn't believable. I said the only version of his story has come from unreliable sources of information given the inconsistencies previously stated. We have members here who saw the surveillance, i wish i had but I haven't, and it was said they didn't see anyone out of the vehicles. If the ones who saw the video are right then it can't be true that the last time he saw her she was getting into her vehicle to return to Dublins. His statement as told says they left in separate vehicles, did it say they left alone in separate vehicles? If in fact what RC says is true then I agree with @Alethea- 10:45 is the latest they left, so there was time to stop between the two places if they left earlier.

And to @otto's point, it doesn't necessarily matter if there was a stop between Dublin's and Shell if she's last seen at Shell and met her fate with Car 3 at the Shell. I only bring up a possible stop because it would introduce somewhere and additional people that could have followed from the stop to the Shell. We discussed earlier if someone followed her from Dublin's to the Shell. If she stopped to meet a known or unknown drug dealer, maybe they intercepted a little later at the Shell.

 

[CabinFever]

I finally made it through the first few threads & haven't seen this mentioned;

What makes you think she paid $10,000 for this car in full. If she had that kind of cash, she'd buy it for-sale-by-owner for a way better deal! She most likely gave a down payment and financed the balance. This would be why she went back to work a week after delivering a new baby.

I have adopted 2 children. It's illegal for any money to be given other than costs directly involved with pregnancy and birth - otherwise evil people may have babies to sell them =(...

Shell station; clearly this is what most likely is the key since LE was quick to get it taken down.

Let's say she gets back in the car to go back to retrieve her phone but her car wouldn't start. Now the man she was with just left, and she has NO PHONE to call anyone. And this strangers car pulls up next to you and offers to help get it started ...
I've had enough used cars that this has happened to, even a newer car that literally wouldn't start just days after buying it!

 

[Workbull]

Is there any proof that Danni was at the Shell station?

Since we've decided that DW is not truthful, and that his statement that Danni was driving her car when they arrived at the Shell station is not valid, we should also doubt that Danni was at the Shell station. He's the only witness to that, but if we can't believe him, she was never at the Shell station.

Except - police have said that she was at the Shell station, so clearly they believe DW.

When did LE say she was specifically at the shell satation or did they say just the 3500 block? Did they ever specifically say she was the driver?

 

[AtticusFitz]

I do believe that the CCTV footage is not clear enough to identify people or the make and model of the cars.

You don't believe that the technology is out there to clean up the footage to the point where we can at least verify cars and number of people? If Mobile can't do it then why not seek out assistance?
When the Chief asks the public for help what are they supposed to be looking for other than DNV and/or her car? I question the entire process of asking for public help with no additional information, pictures, graphics etc. We have so many examples of information put out by MPD to catch criminals that I don't understand why that hasn't happened here? Even if pictures are fuzzy that fuzzy image might jog someones memory? Why wasn't this done weeks ago?

 

[otto]

And, if in fact no one got out of the vehicles, that leaves two options DNV knew how to disable the GPS OR someone else was in the car. An earlier theory suggested DNV was either incapacitated, which was why the phone was in the parking lot, or possibly not in the state of mind to drive herself. Either of which means someone else drove her car there. I don't dispute she was at the shell station, I don't dispute her car followed DW to the gas station, and I don't dispute that he went back to retrieve her phone. What I do dispute is the timeline previously given by any inconsistent witnesses and whether she was actually the driver of her car.

Why would we jump to the conclusion that because the CCTV footage is poor quality, and no one could see people getting out of cars, that no one got out of the cars?

 

[cedgison]

I finally made it through the first few threads & haven't seen this mentioned;

What makes you think she paid $10,000 for this car in full. If she had that kind of cash, she'd buy it for-sale-by-owner for a way better deal! She most likely gave a down payment and financed the balance. This would be why she went back to work a week after delivering a new baby.

I have adopted 2 children. It's illegal for any money to be given other than costs directly involved with pregnancy and birth - otherwise evil people may have babies to sell them =(...

Shell station; clearly this is what most likely is the key since LE was quick to get it taken down.

Let's say she gets back in the car to go back to retrieve her phone but her car wouldn't start. Now the man she was with just left, and she has NO PHONE to call anyone. And this strangers car pulls up next to you and offers to help get it started ...
I've had enough used cars that this has happened to, even a newer car that literally wouldn't start just days after buying it!

With regards to payment for the car, this is something we don’t have confirmation on.