AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[theides]

Image 1: Looking south along Dog River from Michael Blvd.
Image 2: Looking north along Dog River from Michael Blvd.
Image 3: Looking south along Dog River from Airport Blvd.
Image 4: Looking south along Dog River from Cottage Hill Rd.
Image 5: Looking north along Dog River from the Government Blvd/Hwy 90 Service Drive.

 

[AtticusFitz]

At this point with what very little we know, I don’t think a psychic’s vision is any less plausible than some scenarios or theories I’ve thrown out there.

I agree that we know so little. Much of the frustration and why I am seriously questioning motives of some of the people sharing information is that next to nothing of the information being shared gets us closer to understanding DNV and her life or explaining how TT was involved with DNV if at all. The information is a distraction and usually about something insignificant and NEVER ANYTHING MEANINGFUL IMO.

I think to try to understand what might have happened you would have to know who was DW in DNV's life-was he important or insignificant? What was DNV doing with the people she was with the night she disappeared and why weren't her good friends anyplace with her that night? Where are her good friends in all of this and what do they think was going on in DNV's head around the time she went missing? Would DNV have ever purchased drugs for anyone including TT? Why were DW and DNV in the area of the Shell that evening? Were DW and DNV together driving someplace that night or were they on separate paths before DNV discovered her phone was missing? Did anyone in the Mobile 'family' have a large debt owed to a potentially violent person for drugs or gambling or something else? Was TT being squeezed for cash by his dealers and was DNV trying to help? Did DNV try to distance herself from TT but was being threatened? If so, by who? Did she really think she could ever get custody back or did the Mobile 'family' hold her past over her head in order to keep custody of CT and retain any monthly support payments? Who had money problems and could DNV have been able to help but for whatever reason refused? Was DNV abducted not because of anything she did but because of something she knew or saw or maybe it wasn't even something she knew or saw but something related to TT?

All of this is speculation but my point is that I think we are struggling because we truly know very little about DNV and who she was and I'm not so sure that even if the Mobile 'family' knew the answer to this question that it would be shared here or even on FB as my sense is that any discussion of DNV and TT in particular fall into the category of 'family business' that outsiders have no part of. When you look at the 'substance' of what is being discussed on FB its really just a big game of he said, she said, oh no she didn't say that and so on, over and over.

In my experience people that are serious about finding a missing person don't have time for endless he said, she said such as what we have seen on FB and they answer tough questions and try to understand what was going on in the life of the missing victim and those close to that person and they answer tough and uncomfortable questions.

After watching all this play out for now almost 3 months I seriously question whether anyone is seriously looking for DNV or wants her found based simply on what people are focusing on and what the FB chatter is about. I go back to the amount of time it took to even file a missing persons report on DNV which is a fact that we do have information on. Even when it was clear that DNV was missing and that someone had her phone for a few days, the report still wasn't filed and yet another night was allowed to pass. Why? We all know that in these cases the first 48 hrs are critical to finding the missing person. But we started this case with a huge gap between Tuesday and Friday and I seriously wonder if that gap can ever be filled with enough meaningful information to solve this case? But we sadly have next to no meaningful information even after so much time. Very sad situation IMO.

 

[otto]

Image 1: Looking south along Dog River from Michael Blvd.
Image 2: Looking north along Dog River from Michael Blvd.
Image 3: Looking south along Dog River from Airport Blvd.
Image 4: Looking south along Dog River from Cottage Hill Rd.
Image 5: Looking north along Dog River from the Government Blvd/Hwy 90 Service Drive.

Thank you! I don't think anyone is going to hide a car in that river.

 

[otto]

I agree that we know so little. Much of the frustration and why I am seriously questioning motives of some of the people sharing information is that next to nothing of the information being shared gets us closer to understanding DNV and her life or explaining how TT was involved with DNV if at all. The information is a distraction and usually about something insignificant and NEVER ANYTHING MEANINGFUL IMO.

I think to try to understand what might have happened you would have to know who was DW in DNV's life-was he important or insignificant? What was DNV doing with the people she was with the night she disappeared and why weren't her good friends anyplace with her that night? Where are her good friends in all of this and what do they think was going on in DNV's head around the time she went missing? Would DNV have ever purchased drugs for anyone including TT? Why were DW and DNV in the area of the Shell that evening? Were DW and DNV together driving someplace that night or were they on separate paths before DNV discovered her phone was missing? Did anyone in the Mobile 'family' have a large debt owed to a potentially violent person for drugs or gambling or something else? Was TT being squeezed for cash by his dealers and was DNV trying to help? Did DNV try to distance herself from TT but was being threatened? If so, by who? Did she really think she could ever get custody back or did the Mobile 'family' hold her past over her head in order to keep custody of CT and retain any monthly support payments? Who had money problems and could DNV have been able to help but for whatever reason refused? Was DNV abducted not because of anything she did but because of something she knew or saw or maybe it wasn't even something she knew or saw but something related to TT?

All of this is speculation but my point is that I think we are struggling because we truly know very little about DNV and who she was and I'm not so sure that even if the Mobile 'family' knew the answer to this question that it would be shared here or even on FB as my sense is that any discussion of DNV and TT in particular fall into the category of 'family business' that outsiders have no part of. When you look at the 'substance' of what is being discussed on FB its really just a big game of he said, she said, oh no she didn't say that and so on, over and over.

In my experience people that are serious about finding a missing person don't have time for endless he said, she said such as what we have seen on FB and they answer tough questions and try to understand what was going on in the life of the missing victim and those close to that person and they answer tough and uncomfortable questions.

After watching all this play out for now almost 3 months I seriously question whether anyone is seriously looking for DNV or wants her found based simply on what people are focusing on and what the FB chatter is about. I go back to the amount of time it took to even file a missing persons report on DNV which is a fact that we do have information on. Even when it was clear that DNV was missing and that someone had her phone for a few days, the report still wasn't filed and yet another night was allowed to pass. Why? We all know that in these cases the first 48 hrs are critical to finding the missing person. But we started this case with a huge gap between Tuesday and Friday and I seriously wonder if that gap can ever be filled with enough meaningful information to solve this case? But we sadly have next to no meaningful information even after so much time. Very sad situation IMO.

The delay in reporting is very unfortunate because not only does it give too much time for Danni and her car to disappear without a trace, but it also send a message to the community that her disappearance isn't all that serious.

I think you make a good point about the information really doing little more than spinning everyone in place rather than adding to a better understanding of what happened.

 

[cg777]

I am also starting to wonder more and more if car3 was a police car. It could just be Toni Anderson coming back to haunt my thoughts.

Yes! This case has given me serious Toni Anderson vibes since the beginning.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Thank you! I don't think anyone is going to hide a car in that river.

Not in the places listed but if you go all the way to the end of Dog River there are a couple of spots that look deep enough to hide a car: Chart 11376 Just start at the midpoint of Dog River and head south a bit.

But if you look just a bit further south of Dog River to Deer River Pt there is the Theodore Shipping Channel that runs inland and it certainly has depth and also coastal access.

 

[Alethea]

Update: Toni Anderson’s accidental death involved drug intoxication, autopsy finds

This article about Toni Anderson mentions a husband and wife dive team who search for missing people and their cars. Someone should give them a call.

"Dennis Watters, part of the husband-and-wife water search team who found Anderson’s car, said Anderson’s death didn’t appear suspicious to him. In more than a decade of searching rivers and lakes for missing vehicles, the Watters team has recovered 86 bodies, about a dozen in circumstances similar to Anderson’s."

 

[FrostykinHopkins]

IMOO, following the drug angle and what others have said here, what possibly could've happened is that TT had a heroin supply to distribute that was confiscated by LE upon TT's arrest. His supplier will not care that LE confiscated it. They will want their money and if TT was busy doing jail time and/or in a court mandated drug program he probably did not have the means to repay this debt. It is very probable the suppliers knew DNV's relationship to TT. TT may have offered up the fact she recently purchased a vehicle and this would be an easy way to repay the purported debt. Or, they may have known this on their own and seized on the opportunity. DNV could've been non-compliant during the situation, and while her disappearance may not have been planned, it occurred. The delay in the Mobile 'family' reporting DNV's disappearance may be due to them being knowledgeable about this happening and may also explain the ever changing story regarding TT's exact whereabouts. It has been reported above the Mobile LE have been doing "clean-ups" regarding drug dealings and it is quite possible LE knows exactly who was involved in DNV's disappearance and may be using this as leverage to get people to talk. This theory still does not get us anywhere but it would explain a lot of holes that we have been discussing regarding this case.

 

[AtticusFitz]

The delay in reporting is very unfortunate because not only does it give too much time for Danni and her car to disappear without a trace, but it also send a message to the community that her disappearance isn't all that serious.

I think you make a good point about the information really doing little more than spinning everyone in place rather than adding to a better understanding of what happened.

Yes. There is little to no depth in anything that is being said or shared. In a way I wish a PI with some sense would enter the fray and direct efforts in a more productive direction. Very little that seems to have been done has been directed at finding missing DNV. I hope the MPD are having better luck than we are but somehow seeing what we are dealing with I doubt they are!

 

[AtticusFitz]

IMOO, following the drug angle and what others have said here, what possibly could've happened is that TT had a heroin supply to distribute that was confiscated by LE upon TT's arrest.

Perfect. I can totally seeing this or some variant of this happening and DNV caught in the crosshairs. Mobile 'family' delays reporting because they know what is going on but are powerless to solve the situation due to lack of funds and inability of TT to actively be involved due to parole/litigation etc. If the family had to choose between DNV and TT it seems like they chose TT IMO and simply left DNV on her own hanging...literally.

 

[cody22]

IMOO, following the drug angle and what others have said here, what possibly could've happened is that TT had a heroin supply to distribute that was confiscated by LE upon TT's arrest. His supplier will not care that LE confiscated it. They will want their money and if TT was busy doing jail time and/or in a court mandated drug program he probably did not have the means to repay this debt. It is very probable the suppliers knew DNV's relationship to TT. TT may have offered up the fact she recently purchased a vehicle and this would be an easy way to repay the purported debt. Or, they may have known this on their own and seized on the opportunity. DNV could've been non-compliant during the situation, and while her disappearance may not have been planned, it occurred. The delay in the Mobile 'family' reporting DNV's disappearance may be due to them being knowledgeable about this happening and may also explain the ever changing story regarding TT's exact whereabouts. It has been reported above the Mobile LE have been doing "clean-ups" regarding drug dealings and it is quite possible LE knows exactly who was involved in DNV's disappearance and may be using this as leverage to get people to talk. This theory still does not get us anywhere but it would explain a lot of holes that we have been discussing regarding this case.

How about if TT or even DNV was believed to have turned possible snitch for LE ?

 

[AtticusFitz]

I grew up on Dog River .... and know the area very well.

It looks like there is a bridge or road over Dog River at ST163 heading towards Hollingers Island that had water depth below to hide a car. I haven't looked at this on google drives yet but is this a passenger road bridge and something that might be easy for a car to run off the road and hit the water?

If you are on ST163 heading towards Hollingers Island around the Mobile Yacht Club Mobile Yacht Club would it be possible to run off the road in this area and hit the water?

 

[otto]

Not in the places listed but if you go all the way to the end of Dog River there are a couple of spots that look deep enough to hide a car: Chart 11376 Just start at the midpoint of Dog River and head south a bit.

But if you look just a bit further south of Dog River to Deer River Pt there is the Theodore Shipping Channel that runs inland and it certainly has depth and also coastal access.

Thank you! Is this the area that you're thinking?

Having issues adding an image - take 3.

 

[Cmpeezy251]

I agree that we know so little. Much of the frustration and why I am seriously questioning motives of some of the people sharing information is that next to nothing of the information being shared gets us closer to understanding DNV and her life or explaining how TT was involved with DNV if at all. The information is a distraction and usually about something insignificant and NEVER ANYTHING MEANINGFUL IMO.

I think to try to understand what might have happened you would have to know who was DW in DNV's life-was he important or insignificant? What was DNV doing with the people she was with the night she disappeared and why weren't her good friends anyplace with her that night? Where are her good friends in all of this and what do they think was going on in DNV's head around the time she went missing? Would DNV have ever purchased drugs for anyone including TT? Why were DW and DNV in the area of the Shell that evening? Were DW and DNV together driving someplace that night or were they on separate paths before DNV discovered her phone was missing? Did anyone in the Mobile 'family' have a large debt owed to a potentially violent person for drugs or gambling or something else? Was TT being squeezed for cash by his dealers and was DNV trying to help? Did DNV try to distance herself from TT but was being threatened? If so, by who? Did she really think she could ever get custody back or did the Mobile 'family' hold her past over her head in order to keep custody of CT and retain any monthly support payments? Who had money problems and could DNV have been able to help but for whatever reason refused? Was DNV abducted not because of anything she did but because of something she knew or saw or maybe it wasn't even something she knew or saw but something related to TT?

All of this is speculation but my point is that I think we are struggling because we truly know very little about DNV and who she was and I'm not so sure that even if the Mobile 'family' knew the answer to this question that it would be shared here or even on FB as my sense is that any discussion of DNV and TT in particular fall into the category of 'family business' that outsiders have no part of. When you look at the 'substance' of what is being discussed on FB its really just a big game of he said, she said, oh no she didn't say that and so on, over and over.

In my experience people that are serious about finding a missing person don't have time for endless he said, she said such as what we have seen on FB and they answer tough questions and try to understand what was going on in the life of the missing victim and those close to that person and they answer tough and uncomfortable questions.

After watching all this play out for now almost 3 months I seriously question whether anyone is seriously looking for DNV or wants her found based simply on what people are focusing on and what the FB chatter is about. I go back to the amount of time it took to even file a missing persons report on DNV which is a fact that we do have information on. Even when it was clear that DNV was missing and that someone had her phone for a few days, the report still wasn't filed and yet another night was allowed to pass. Why? We all know that in these cases the first 48 hrs are critical to finding the missing person. But we started this case with a huge gap between Tuesday and Friday and I seriously wonder if that gap can ever be filled with enough meaningful information to solve this case? But we sadly have next to no meaningful information even after so much time. Very sad situation IMO.

It breaks my heart seriously. I think LE needs to try a different approach because this one “ain’t workin”. I get the feeling people are afraid or something to speak out. People need more info to jog their memory. How soon can you file a missing persons report?
Other than the most recent case this week with the car in the lake, Have there been any other cars submerged in water here in Mobile?

 

[cedgison]

Does she think that drugs are involved in Danni's disappearance?

I am not sure this is an appropriate question or not, but, what kind of drugs are we considering here? Weed use to me is much much different than say cocaine or meth, for instance.

Yes, but not drugs in the sense of weed, heroin, etc.

My input/question: Maybe pills?

 

[cedgison]

The dad of DV baby she gave up. Do we know who or where he is from? Could he be mad the baby was given up? Random thoughts...

What can you tell us about the most recent baby father? Is DW the baby father?

I do not know who he is. All I know is that he was interviewed as well as the adoptive family by MPD and they are not believed to be connected.

 

[cedgison]

FYI, @TiffanyWarner (from fb) is on WS and is gonna check into VI status

TW would be great to have. She could provide insight from RC for sure and possibly DW & MK.

 

[cedgison]

@cedgison Why does the AMAP medium believe so strongly that DNV and/or car is in the water? So many of the hot spots are near or on water. What is the significance of water to the case and DNV? Does medium believe DNV is alive or dead? Has MPD done any water searches? Where has MPD searched so far as JDT knows?

The astrologer is saying in the chart that we are looking for remains. Why does the astrologer believe that DNV is dead and how did she die? Was it an accident or intentional?

The significance of water in the AMAP reading is that the medium believes that DNV and her car are in water. Until they recovered that car yesterday that was not Danni's, MPD had not searched water and, even then, they did not search that lake to its entirety. Aside from her apt and near the Shell, I'm not sure where they have searched - that info hasn't been given to me.

In parts of the syntax, she leans towards accident but she also does not completely rule out intentional.

 

[cedgison]

Did he think that he was the father while she was pregnant?

I do not know who the baby's bio father is nor do I know if DW thought it was him.

 

[cedgison]

Yes, this was one of the theories to explain why they were where they were and so stopped at the Shell.
It is believed that DW lived alone at the house. It is unclear if he is divorced or where his wife/ex wife lives.

I know that they both own home separate from one another but I do not know if they live together or separately. Hopefully that makes sense.