AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #5

[AtticusFitz]

@Whiskers16 Thank you. So does this mean information provided by the VI in previous threads is no longer allowed since they are not a VI any longer?

This is well and truly entering the land of insanity as on many topics the genie is out of the bottle?! We have nobody from the Mobile 'family' that has been cleared by MPD and no POI.

 

[Chelly]

Words fail.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

This is well and truly entering the land of insanity as on many topics the genie is out of the bottle?! We have nobody from the Mobile 'family' that has been cleared by MPD and no POI.

Very True. Now we can work with LE and and MSM facts. The two or three that we have.

 

[otto]

This does not change my opinion on what can be discussed. The search was pursued in relation to the DV investigation, so we can discuss what is reported about the search. JDC's charges don't relate to DV's disappearance. Therefore I think sleuthing things like property owners, property details, criminal history, etc. are not within TOS to discuss at this time.

Thank you for the clarification. One last question about this - the suspect in the kidnapping, rape and torture that lasted 3.5 weeks is the cousin of Danni's ex-boyfriend. Can we explore the relationship between the suspect and the disappearance and kidnapping of two women known to him in a period of 2 months?

 

[cody22]

Words fail.

That is the understatement of the day about this thread overall, up to this time.

 

[Whiskers16]

@Whiskers16 Thank you. So does this mean information provided by the VI in previous threads is no longer allowed since they are not a VI any longer?

My gut feeling is that VI information stands even if the VI chooses to leave WS or not be a VI any longer. I will check with the other mods and see if there's any better guidance I can provide.

 

[AtticusFitz]

My gut feeling is that VI information stands even if the VI chooses to leave WS or not be a VI any longer. I will check with the other mods and see if there's any better guidance I can provide.

Ok. But it would be helpful if you viewed the LE videos yourself as it becomes quite clear from their very basic statements that there is a connection between DNV and the Dykes PROPERTY where JCD resided.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I was going to go back through the threads and make a master list of VI statements so that they can be referred to in our discussions. I will work on this and post it when its done. I hope the new moderator @Whiskers16 is able to set up a new thread for JCD and then related discussion which has now all been deleted can be moved there in the future.

 

[otto]

Very True. Now we can work with LE and and MSM facts. The two or three that we have.

We have good information from police. I posted MSM quotes and links earlier today regarding these facts:

• Danni disappeared when she was going to collect her phone
• she was last seen at the Shell station.

We know about the 3 cars that were at the Shell station because of the video. We know that Danni was at the Shell station with another vehicle from 11:08 to 11:24PM. We know from the quote from Pearl Motors that Danni's GPS transmitted her location up until she was at the Shell station, and that when her car left the Shell station it no longer transmitted a GPS signal. On that basis we know that the GPS was disabled at the Shell station.

We know that Danni and her car left the Shell station at 11:24PM, and police can only say that she was "occupying" the car (from the police blog).

We know that she purchased the car on the same day that she and her car disappeared. We also know about her June 17 goals list to buy a car and to take her daughter to school every day.

The next questions I have are:

• who knew that she had a car
• who had a motive to eliminate a single mother who was working two server jobs to make ends meet

 

[Whiskers16]

Ok. But it would be helpful if you viewed the LE videos yourself as it becomes quite clear from their very basic statements that there is a connection between DNV and the Dykes PROPERTY where JCD resided.

Let me think about it a different way - is there any MSM/LE statement of the actual address of the property which was searched?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

We have good information from police. I posted MSM quotes and links earlier today regarding these facts:

• Danni disappeared when she was going to collect her phone
• she was last seen at the Shell station.

We know about the 3 cars that were at the Shell station because of the video. We know that Danni was at the Shell station with another vehicle from 11:08 to 11:24PM. We know from the quote from Pearl Motors that Danni's GPS transmitted her location up until she was at the Shell station, and that when her car left the Shell station it no longer transmitted a GPS signal. On that basis we know that the GPS was disabled at the Shell station.

We know that Danni and her car left the Shell station at 11:24PM, and police can only say that she was "occupying" the car (from the police blog).

We know that she purchased the car on the same day that she and her car disappeared. We also know about her June 17 goals list to buy a car and to take her daughter to school every day.

The next questions I have are:

• who knew that she had a car
• who had a motive to eliminate a single mother who was working two server jobs to make ends meet

I know @otto. Thank you so much for always keeping this case in perspective. I was being a little goofy in my post because the last several threads went in so many odd directions and here we are back to where we started. I 100% agree with all you have here. I just really cannot get the thought out of my head that without DW or DNV’s missing phone she would not have been reported missing.

 

[otto]

I know @otto. Thank you so much for always keeping this case in perspective. I was being a little goofy in my post because the last several threads went in so many odd directions and here we are back to where we started. I 100% agree with all you have here. I just really cannot get the thought out of my head that without DW or DNV’s missing phone she would not have been reported missing.

I'm stuck on that too. If I received a call at 7:30AM on July 17 telling me that my daughter's phone had been found at a bar and she didn't show up to collect it as she planned, I would be all over it before 7:31AM, and if I didn't have answers by noon I would be reporting it to police. I certainly wouldn't tell the stranger with her phone to leave it at a bar where she's not expected until July 20. Thankfully DW delivered the phone to police on the morning of July 20.

Recalling the disappearance of Morgan Harrington, whose phone was found in a parking lot the morning after she was abducted. Her parents reported her disappearance to police right away. It didn't change the outcome, but it is an example of what concerned parents do when they learn that their daughter's phone was found in the wrong place and they are unable to locate their daughter.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Let me think about it a different way - is there any MSM/LE statement of the actual address of the property which was searched?

Yes @Whiskers16 . One reporter on site at the LE raid said the property address and described it as being at the end of Travis Road Ext. which it is. The property was clearly identified as being where JCD was a resident.

 

[Jenatlmom]

I'm not sure why outside help hasn't been brought in, either. I've stated previously that anytime JDT asked about it, she has been told MPD has it under control. But, we can all see that's not the case.

I don't know if they will, at some point in the future, consider outside help - I would hope so but most LE agencies would have brought help in already - but I agree that it's crazy that they haven't.

MPD has not called in the FBI nor did they accept the offered assistance of the Klaas Foundation (per former VI) despite stating early on that this isn’t a typical missing person’s case. They had the CCTV video removed from the public’s view online meaning not only are they not requesting the public’s assistance in identifying any vehicles in the video, they don’t want to reveal that information. Additionally, they’re telling JDT that they have everything under control (per former VI).
This supports my theory that they know who the 3rd car is and they know who is involved or has information about DNV’s disappearance.
MPD did, however, tell the media that they believe JD’s property may be connected to DNV’s disappearance. That is the only information they’ve released and must have been very purposeful. That, coupled with the fact that the judge raised JD’s bond and he is still in custody is noteworthy. (I hope that observation is within the rules. If not, then I apologize).

MPD needs someone to talk because they don’t have the concrete evidence they need and it seems like no one is talking. Maybe blood is thicker than water, as they say.
I also think that’s why they set up the blog.

I wonder what the PI the JDT hired has discovered since they came on 2 weeks ago (per former VI).

 

[AtticusFitz]

I'm stuck on that too. If I received a call at 7:30AM on July 17 telling me that my daughter's phone had been found at a bar and she didn't show up to collect it as she planned, I would be all over it before 7:31AM, and if I didn't have answers by noon I would be reporting it to police. I certainly wouldn't tell the stranger with her phone to leave it at a bar where she's not expected until July 20. Thankfully DW delivered the phone to police on the morning of July 20.

I was thinking about this entire game of hot potato with the phone again and thought that at every step of the process where a decision point existed to make a different choice that the choice actually made resulted in delay. It sounds a bit nuts but if you just create the visual of a decision tree on the phone it is quite interesting that the only person active and concerned with the phone was DW and the only person passive on the phone was JDT. I do find it quite interesting that JDT exerted the effort to track down and employee/friend of DNV's to get her employee ID as that was her unlock code for the phone. Its hard to reconcile this effort to unlock a phone that doesn't belong to you with exerting no effort to get the phone and hold it in safekeeping for DNV. I would think most people would go and get the phone at the earliest due to so much confidential information that we keep on our phones these days. But not in this case. We are ok with the phone in the hands of a stranger and not only that we will break into the phone when we finally do get the phone. Why was it so important to break into the phone?

 

[Alethea]

My gut feeling is that VI information stands even if the VI chooses to leave WS or not be a VI any longer. I will check with the other mods and see if there's any better guidance I can provide.

The problem is most of the information the VI provided is the exact information you just posted to remind us was outside of TOS: sleuthed information about people never named by MSM or LE as a suspect or POI and comments from Facebook.

I don't think it's really fair to allow one person's opinion stand as fact when other outside evidence that may directly contradict the introduced information is not allowed to be discussed as outside of TOS.

Know what I mean? The VI may have said Person A was in jail, and a poster offers evidence that Person A was not in jail. It doesn't seem fair to allow the VI information stand as true when most people would believe the public record instead. I totally understand if no discussion is allowed either about the VI statement or the public record. But I am not comfortable if we are supposed to take VI statements as facts but not be allowed to discuss why they may not be true.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I know @otto. Thank you so much for always keeping this case in perspective. I was being a little goofy in my post because the last several threads went in so many odd directions and here we are back to where we started. I 100% agree with all you have here. I just really cannot get the thought out of my head that without DW or DNV’s missing phone she would not have been reported missing.

Who knew she had the car:
JDT - she dropped DNV off to pick up the car although she didn't remember the time that this happened
Friends she was with that night to celebrate
Friends/co-workers she worked with at PF Changs
Other Mobile 'family' most likely knew too as JDT would have said what she was doing so this would include JDT husband and TT and possibly even JCD.
Pearl Motors sales and admin staff
Possibly mechanic that did GPS install for Pearl Motors

 

[Alethea]

MPD has not called in the FBI nor did they accept the offered assistance of the Klaas Foundation (per former VI) despite stating early on that this isn’t a typical missing person’s case. They had the CCTV video removed from the public’s view online meaning not only are they not requesting the public’s assistance in identifying any vehicles in the video, they don’t want to reveal that information. Additionally, they’re telling JDT that they have everything under control (per former VI).
This supports my theory that they know who the 3rd car is and they know who is involved or has information about DNV’s disappearance.
MPD did, however, tell the media that they believe JD’s property may be connected to DNV’s disappearance. That is the only information they’ve released and must have been very purposeful. That, coupled with the fact that the judge raised JD’s bond and he is still in custody is noteworthy. (I hope that observation is within the rules. If not, then I apologize).

MPD needs someone to talk because they don’t have the concrete evidence they need and it seems like no one is talking. Maybe blood is thicker than water, as they say.
I also think that’s why they set up the blog.

I wonder what the PI the JDT hired has discovered since they came on 2 weeks ago (per former VI).

I don't understand why MPD has not called in the FBI. The FBI has specific statutory jurisdiction to investigate suspected violent crimes that occur in public places when its help is requested by a local agency. If I were the Mobile County DA I would have no problem stating that based on the CCTV, and complete lack of any evidence of a voluntary disappearance, I believe a violent crime likely occurred in a public place and request the FBI's help.

 

[cody22]

Who knew she had the car:
JDT - she dropped DNV off to pick up the car although she didn't remember the time that this happened
Friends she was with that night to celebrate
Friends/co-workers she worked with at PF Changs
Other Mobile 'family' most likely knew too as JDT would have said what she was doing so this would include JDT husband and TT and possibly even JCD.
Pearl Motors sales and admin staff
Possibly mechanic that did GPS install for Pearl Motors

And one more time, we are back to......Who had the most to gain by DNV disappearing ?

 

[AtticusFitz]

The next questions I have are:

• who knew that she had a car
• who had a motive to eliminate a single mother who was working two server jobs to make ends meet

Motive:
-Hate to say it but custody could have been a bone of contention in the family despite the JDT 'sunshine and rainbows' report on the T family relationship with DNV. I don't think custody can be anyplace but on the table as a motive. Mobile 'family' gains custody time by putting a shadow of alleged drug use by DNV and thereby gains access to state support funds and any custody payments DNV might have been ordered to pay. Mobile 'family' gains permanent custody if DNV is never found and JV does not enter the custody discussion as birth mother of DNV.
-Someone that had anger issues or a persistent drug issue or related debt or a gambling debt and who might have asked DNV for money and she didn't agree.
-Someone that DNV might have owed money to and was unable to repay on schedule.